That seems really strange. Why would the USA NTDP want to, in effect, "withhold" NTDP players from this tournament? How would USA hockey benefit from keeping them out of this tournament? Isn't the very existence of the NTDP to participate in international tournaments like this? I don't get it.
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That seems really strange. Why would the USA NTDP want to, in effect, "withhold" NTDP players from this tournament? How would USA hockey benefit from keeping them out of this tournament? Isn't the very existence of the NTDP to participate in international tournaments like this? I don't get it.
Not sure why it works that way but you can expect to see a team with completely different players at the next event. They do the same with the U17 team. I think the younger team may be headed to Europe for a tournament yet this month. A U17 USA Select Team. I think it is a great opportunity for the kids that did not make the original U17 and U18 NTDP teams.
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I definitely wasn't a fan of his presser. Not that I know what he should've said but if it was jetlag... that is really easy to fix. Fly out a few days earlier. The group was definitely tough but if you want to be in the Semi's you have to beat a few Top 5 nations to get there. Hopefully we beat Slovakia and finish 5th which would be at least better than our usual 6 spot!
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It is a bit strange because this is the true best-on-best U-18 tournament and that's why it's a prestigious event.
The Americans have access to these players but don't bring them, that's their choice but there are no restrictions except the self-imposed ones by not bringing the USNTDP players.
WTF? He's a 2021 prospect. Just chill man.
No it isn't, which is why USA doesn't.
Since the age limit in this tournament is 2001 birth, it seems likely that everyone who participates will also be eligible by age to play in the World U18 tournament in April. So it would seem to be a perfect sequence to use the Hlinka as the first stage in preparations for the World U18 event. So I am left scratching my head over that!
It’s summertime for heaven’s sake, players aren't in seasoned peak performance game shape, and the US doesnt even bother to send the NTDP.
The Hlinka is great entertainment and a fantastic opportunity for scouts, but it’s hardly a true best on best; but neither is the U-18. We really dont have one at this age level.
Pavel Buchnevich
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He hasn't played great, but I feel like he's done reasonably well, aside from some bad goals. And when you consider how young the kid is, some bad goals should be expected. He can keep up though with the speed of this hockey.
I think there's a clear difference between someone who is giving up goals because they aren't good enough for this level and someone who is able to keep up at this level but has some errors in their game.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Its the back ups. There are maybe a handful or so of players on this US team that would be able to get into the regular team's lineup. The regular team would probably destroy anyone at this tournament. The 2001 crop for the USA looks like the best US crop ever.
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The problem with Had is, he's just not a very good coach.
I seem to remember after one of our world championship tournaments someone anonymous wrote an article in Deniksport and explained Had's game strategy, saying that it was very simple and easy to read. I'm not sure if he still coaches in the same way, but it was certainly concerning and even now I think he has trouble making in-game adjustments.
People point to his medal record and argue that he has had success. That's true. But how much of that was really down to him? I'm sure Spacek, Hamrlik and Rucinsky would have something to say about the 2006 Olympics. I guess we'll never know, but perhaps there's more truth to the rumours than thought.
The other thing about Had is that the problem is never him but something (or someone) else:
1) Back in the WC (2006 I think) he blamed the final loss on Hnilicka.
2) He blamed Pavelec for the OGs I think.
3) He blamed the media for his departure from the national team.
4) Now he's blaming the schedule/travelling and some difficult group. I think people would respect him a lot more if he just owned up to his mistakes and admitted his errors. Had is an opportunist, he saw a strong age group and a chance to get a result, but once again he fell short. I think it's time he went into coaching retirement. Certainly before someone starts blowing the whistle on his past successes......
And I'm with joey16 here, you don't want this to negatively influence the young players.
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we do have one in this release:
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/future-stars-from-europe.2526997/
There is a full page on Novák there, but you'd need to purchase the release
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Just because one nation chooses to withhold from playing their best while everyone else does, doesnt mean it isnt best on best.
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Anyone know if the 5th and 7th place games will be streamed anywhere? Nothing on HockeyTV or TSN. I thought HockeyTV might bring a camera to Edmonton but doesn't seem that way.
Well, I myself said I would have preferred a younger promising coach over Hadamczik.
Considering all the dirt there is on internet regarding Hadamczik, it shocked me when they announced he's gonna coach the U18. I have been defending the Czech hockey association for some time, but they have made some terrible choices in the past year or so. I want Kral gone.
There is no stream for either.
Funnily enough, a couple days ago I saw an interview with some Hockey Canada dude bragging about how fantastic tournaments only Canada can hold. Well guess what now, half of the games were borderline unwatchable and the crowds were weak. And before some Canadian jumps on me again, this is not an insult of you or your country or whatever. Hockey Canada said they would take this tournament to the next level and it got arguably worse. They deserve the criticism.
If anything, it suggests a lack of depth in the American program. Maybe, as you say, the American NTDP team "would probably destroy anyone at this tournament." But given the drubbing that the American team took at the hands of the Russians, and that they will likely receive at the hands of the Canadians, you would have to conclude that there is a huge difference between the best and the second-best in American hockey.
Pavel Buchnevich
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I don't think so. In fact, I'd say the opposite.
The USA is not good enough that the "second team" can be expected to beat the first team's of the other best countries in the sport. None of the countries could do that, except maybe Canada.
What I would say is that this team likely has 3-4 guys minimum who will end up first or second round draft picks. While the USA lost badly to Russia, we did beat Finland and Czech Republic pretty easily with our back ups. I think that says more about the team than losing to the first team of a country that we've been pretty even with the last 10-15 years with our best against their best.
I don't think there are any Americans in here who are expecting to win this tournament. I'm certainly not expecting that.
The reason I have asked is that Hlinka tournament generally is considered best on best for U18 and USA is a strong power at this age due to improving hockey system and players playing together, and I was surprised how crappy they looked against Russia. Now it's clear to me, it's the B team, strange choice, while everyone is bringing their best.
Russia's U-21 B-C team always plays same time, as the A-B team plays in the super series in Canada and they are almost not competitive, being outshot 3 to 1.
Russia's U-21 B-C team always plays same time, as the A-B team plays in the super series in Canada and they are almost not competitive, being outshot 3 to 1.
Nor do I know what the level of depth is in USA hockey. I just thought it was a curious decision not to enter their best team in this tournament, given the fact that Hlinka is one of the top two prestigious tournaments at the U18 level in world hockey. What are they saving their best for? Obviously, it is impossible to lose a tournament you don't enter. And it is not as if they would have to travel farther than the European teams to go to Canada.
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I liked Grewe's game he's a physical presence and not afraid to hit.
I remember seeing him get shaken up in the game against Canada, it's too bad he's out.
I'm really excited for this Russia v Sweden game in a few hours. I'm pulling for a Canada v Russia final as games between our two countries are usually classics and Russia looks to have an excellent team this year.
With Holtz and Raymond though the Russians will be in tough today. It's a good matchup.
Pavel Buchnevich
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It was mentioned earlier by someone in this thread, but I think its about giving the kids a break, and not bringing them back during the summer. Give them a summer off. Unlike a lot of other countries, they play a full schedule as a team, along with any international junior tournaments. The NTDP is a full season program.
And for USA Hockey, its a great opportunity to evaluate some other options for upcoming tournaments.
Finns steamrolling Switzerland.. shame theres no stream to the one game where the Finns are actually good at... Nikkanen 2+3, Puistola 2+2 and Simontaival 0+4 so far in first period
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Finland vs Switzerland 5-1 after 1st period.
Finland's goals Nikkanen 2, Puistola 2, Kokkonen
Henri Nikkanen is on fire 2+3 in 1st period.
But Puistola hasn't been bad either Puistola has scored 2+2 in 1st period.
Why Finland didn't play like this earlier in this tournament.
Finland's goals Nikkanen 2, Puistola 2, Kokkonen
Henri Nikkanen is on fire 2+3 in 1st period.
But Puistola hasn't been bad either Puistola has scored 2+2 in 1st period.
Why Finland didn't play like this earlier in this tournament.
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