HFBoards TOP 50 Prospects Ranking #2 (closed)

[amnesiac]

Ya he’ll def get super hyped now that he’s a hab, but prior to draft I didn’t think they got the same type of hype.

I could be off, but I felt like michkov was hyped as the best Russian prospect since ovie…. Didn’t feel that way about Demidov hype

possibly, but possibly because it had been so long since we saw that highly skilled Russian (since Ovie as you say).... if Demidov was 2023 and Michkov 2024 it probably wouldve just been reversed.

Whatever the case, I do believe both will be top talents int he league. Michkov more in an Ovie mold, Demidov a Panarin/Kucherov (obviously not saying theyll ever be as good, but definitely possible).

I do think Verbeek and Davidson made a big mistake just as Hughes did last year, but Anaheim already have enough talent up front anyway. If Sennecke becomes a very skilled 6'3 winger, he should compliment Carlsson or Gauthier very well. I wouldve taken Buium after having traded Dysdale, personally. But what do I know?

 

[Eegs]

Oh yay! It's this time of year again! Love these polls, thanks OP

 

[Unspecified]

no, has more than 30GP with playoffs

Maverick Borque?

 

[amnesiac]

Maverick Borque?

yeah he'll get added sooner than later, but not yet

 

[ottawa]

Gotta go with Michkov here

 

[majormajor]

Ya he’ll def get super hyped now that he’s a hab, but prior to draft I didn’t think they got the same type of hype.

I could be off, but I felt like michkov was hyped as the best Russian prospect since ovie…. Didn’t feel that way about Demidov hype

I don't think hype level should determine anything in these polls. It's a media driven thing and often disconnected from scouting.

If we're going on pre-draft hype then Shane Wright ought to be top 3.

Come to think of it, Wright at least should be added to the poll options. He's been developing well and just had a very good Calder Cup performance. @amnesiac

 

[Stewie Griffin]

How the hell can you not consider him top 5? Hes was the consensus best talent after Celebrini in this draft, dominated the MHL the same way Michkov, Panarin, and Kaprizov did at age 17/18.

Did you not consider Michkov top 5 last season?

Take a few minutes to look at his highlights and come back.

Because the other guys dominated other leagues too. Michkov and Nikishin put up numbers in the KHL (obviously a superior league), Smith lead NCAA in points, and Gauthier lead in goals. They were the top prospects left over from last years rankings and all had dominant years.

You can look at the highlights of any top-5/10 pick and they look amazing. Just because Demidov is flashy doesn't mean he's the next coming of Christ.

Was he a consensus next best talent? Alot of rankings had him 3-5 as well, and heck he even went 5th overall.

Either way, he's a great prospect and will go 3rd overall in this poll (due to being flashy and drafted by the habs) but I think the top-5 prospects in the NHL are obvious.

Demidov is just a superior version of Smith. There's no way he should go ahead. And lol.on Gauthier.

What does this mean? Smith played center in college, and Demidov is a MHL winger? What's comparable...that they're hockey players? Gauthier has been seen as one of the better prospects outside of the NHL all year...again what makes Demidov so much better it's an "lol"

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Add: Gabe Perreault

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Another vote for Mich at 1

 

[BeckandHage]

Lane Hutson isn't on your list? Better than more than 50% of your options

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Lane Hutson isn't on your list? Better than more than 50% of your options

That’s not reality ….

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Ya he’ll def get super hyped now that he’s a hab, but prior to draft I didn’t think they got the same type of hype.

I could be off, but I felt like michkov was hyped as the best Russian prospect since ovie…. Didn’t feel that way about Demidov hype

Michkov was more hyped because people saw him play and dominate in international tournaments. Demidov didn't get that chance.

 

[Juxtaposer]

*Looks at usernames of people voting Demidov*

Yeah, that checks out.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

*Looks at usernames of people voting Demidov*

Yeah, that checks out.

Last year they had people quitting the polls because Hutson didn’t go high enough

 

[Juxtaposer]

Last year they had people quitting the polls because Hutson didn’t go high enough

Too bad they didn’t keep their word and actually quit.

If Demidov was such a good prospect that he is better than Michkov and Smith, then he wouldn’t have gone 5th overall this year. Habs fans claiming “he was in contention for 1st overall with Celebrini” are literally crazy.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Too bad they didn’t keep their word and actually quit.

If Demidov was such a good prospect that he is better than Michkov and Smith, then he wouldn’t have gone 5th overall this year. Habs fans claiming “he was in contention for 1st overall with Celebrini” are literally crazy.

To be fair michkov went 7th

I don’t think anyone #1 this year thought anyone other than celebrini…. But now Demidov has the Montreal multiplier

 

[Captain Mountain]

The votes as I write this are 22-6 for Michkov over Demidov. That's fine if that's the way people see it.

But I've encountered this idea frequently on HF that the whole hockey community and scouting community thinks Michkov is much better than Demidov. And that the only reason he tumbled in the draft was because of his KHL contract.

Pronman, who leans Michkov, just wrote a whole article on the Michkov vs Demidov debate and polled scouts on it. They were about evenly split.

Again nothing wrong if you personally prefer Michkov to Demidov. I'm just comparing the balance of HF opinion to what many NHL scouts are saying.

OP has kindly linked previous rankings, so we're all going into this with the understanding that HF (collective) opinions on prospects is... imperfect.

 

[Juxtaposer]

To be fair michkov went 7th

Michkov had a lot of off-ice questions about him and was 5’10”. There are a lot of reasons that Michkov fell unrelated to his quality as a prospect.

Demidov is 6’0.5”, speaks English, was adamant that he would come to NA after this season, and does have the supposed character concerns that Michkov had or the ‘drama’ around the death of his father.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Michkov had a lot of off-ice questions about him and was 5’10”. There are a lot of reasons that Michkov fell unrelated to his quality as a prospect.

Demidov is 6’0.5”, speaks English, was adamant that he would come to NA after this season, and does have the supposed character concerns that Michkov had or the ‘drama’ around the death of his father.

Ya I do wonder if he’s good as Montreal fans want me to believe why columbus/Chicago didn’t go for him.

It coulda been ovie and Anaheim prob passes, we just don’t draft Russians in Russia…. We only recently started taking them with late picks

 

[Canadienna]

Ya I do wonder if he’s good as Montreal fans want me to believe why columbus/Chicago didn’t go for him.

It coulda been ovie and Anaheim prob passes, we just don’t draft Russians in Russia…. We only recently started taking them with late picks

There are plenty of well respected prospect analysts that have said he was the second best talent in the draft and he has elite, game breaking offensive talent.

You don't have to pretend it's just Montreal fans that think he's good.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

There are plenty of well respected prospect analysts that have said he was the second best talent in the draft and he has elite, game breaking offensive talent.

You don't have to pretend it's just Montreal fans that think he's good.

I didn’t say he wasn’t good lol

 

[Canadienna]

I didn’t say he wasn’t good lol

I didn't say you did.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I didn't say you did.

Then what is the issue…. I think it was a valid point by jux

And 0 games have been played since draft, can we put him ahead of guys like levshunov/lindstrom(I’ll say yes to sennecke because of ducks history of non Russian picks).

 

[Captain Mountain]

Too bad they didn’t keep their word and actually quit.

If Demidov was such a good prospect that he is better than Michkov and Smith, then he wouldn’t have gone 5th overall this year. Habs fans claiming “he was in contention for 1st overall with Celebrini” are literally crazy.

Ya I do wonder if he’s good as Montreal fans want me to believe why columbus/Chicago didn’t go for him.

It coulda been ovie and Anaheim prob passes, we just don’t draft Russians in Russia…. We only recently started taking them with late picks

People can complain, but arguing that "he wouldn't have gone 5th overall this year" in comparison to the 4th OA pick and 7th OA pick in a different draft year (and who were ranked 9th and 3rd respectively on this ranking last year), doesn't mean anything.

Also, last year Fantilli was voted ahead of Carlsson and Michkov was voted ahead of Carlsson, Smith, Reinbacher and Simashev. Drafting is imperfect and most HF Board opinions are based on hype and rankings from online publications.

This is an unserious exercise that should hopefully keep all of us a little humble.

 

[Canadienna]

Then what is the issue…. I think it was a valid point by jux

And 0 games have been played since draft, can we put him ahead of guys like levshunov/lindstrom(I’ll say yes to sennecke because of ducks history of non Russian picks).

The point of my post was obvious.

You are repeatedly and obsessively bringing Montreal fans into the discussion, when it's clear that even outside of Montreal Demidov is a highly regarded prospect.

You claim to be unsure of whether or not to trust all the Habs fans posting about him, so I provided examples of external sources that value him highly.