HFBoards TOP 50 Prospects Ranking #10 (closed)

[amnesiac]

No one is saying he’s not good or not special…. Just dmen on the list still that I’d easily pick over him. He’s likely going to be pretty 1 dimensional at the nhl lvl…. And any added + on the d side is a huge + for him.

And if you throw Hutson on the list you prob got to throw guys like Clarke/zellweger in there pretty closely. Clarke/zellweger have dominated every league theyve been in.

If you like Hutson you should love buium

Guys like edvinsson and Reinbacher are the ones that truely get underrated.

they always are, especially when they dont immediately produce in their first 30 games or so, such as with Evdinsson.

Its interesting how the sound, responsible, rarely make mistakes, very good overall Dmen never stand out, basically because of "stats".

 

[amnesiac]

If NHL GMs could add one of these guys to their team it’s him but Hutson and Zellweger are still getting votes because hfboards votes based on how they perform in junior when they should be voting on how they project in the NHL.

NCAA has produced the likes of: Makar, Hughes, and Fox as "undersized Dmen" in the past 4 years. Those are top 5 Dmen in the NHL today.... THat definintely says something about how good the league is, and why SO many GMs are drafting players from there today, by a quite a lot too.

I gave the example before..... this board had Fox as the 39th best prospect (2019) before he made the jump. And even Makar was ranked 10th on this board (a year after his draft!) behind the likes of Eeli Tolvanen and Filip Zadina. NCAA was/is very underrated.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I agree with everyone saying small/offensive defensemen get overrated on these boards. Same with with flashy one-way wingers.

There's a reason you see guys like Silayev/Dickinson go ahead of Buium (for a recent example) and a reason a lot of guys like Hutson (although he's clearly improved his stock since the draft), Cristall, etc. fall out of round 1.

If we're solely looking at cup contending teams over the past however many years...what's Hutson's realistic comp? Krug? Girard? There's only so many choices to choose from. Unless someone is Quinn Hughes or Cale Makar (which Hutson is not...let's be real) they are not as highly valued/sought after as internet fans think.

Why does Zellwegger only have 1 vote while Hutson is in the running here? They're nearly identical profiles who both dominated their junior leagues and were great internationally.

 

[dgibb10]

no no, hes not in my next 5 either.... was responding to "Hutson isnt as good as Fox or Spurgeon defensively, and not as good a sktaer as Quinn".

I was saying well no, but then back in 2019 no one thought Adam Fox was going to be as good as he is now either. Its all a question of how these "small skilled Dmen" adapt. And he may not for all we know.... But again, proving yourself as the top Dman in NCAA 2 years in row is quite special in my book. If it wasnt NCAA, and say it was the WHL or QMJHL I probably wouldnt be as high on him.

I'd vehemently disagree with the statement that Lane Hutson was the best dman in the NCAA in 22-23.

 

[MasterMatt25]

Yurov getting underrated af

 

[amnesiac]

I'd vehemently disagree with the statement that Lane Hutson was the best dman in the NCAA in 22-23.

Buium too yes

 

[dgibb10]

Buium too yes

I was talking about 22-23.

I'm 50/50 on Buium or Hutson in 23-24.

But in 22-23, to me it was clearly Luke Hughes. BU played a very easy schedule that year and Hutson had a tendency of ghosting against the best competition.

For a quick comparison in terms of games against the 20 best teams (based on end of season rankings):

Vs Top 5 teams:
Hughes: 8 games, 8 points (1.00ppg)
Hutson: 3 games, 0 points (0.00ppg)

Vs Top 10 teams:
Hughes: 19 games, 20 points (1.05ppg)
Hutson: 5 games, 1 point (0.2ppg)

Vs Top 20 teams
Hughes: 29 games, 34 points (1.17ppg)
Hutson: 13 games, 10 points (0.76ppg)

Vs Unranked teams:
Hughes 10 games, 14 points (1.4ppg)
Hutson 26 games, 38 points (1.46ppg)

 

[amnesiac]

I was talking about 22-23.

I'm 50/50 on Buium or Hutson in 23-24.

But in 22-23, to me it was clearly Luke Hughes. BU played a very easy schedule that year and Hutson had a tendency of ghosting against the best competition.

For a quick comparison in terms of games against the 20 best teams (based on end of season rankings):

Vs Top 5 teams:
Hughes: 8 games, 8 points (1.00ppg)
Hutson: 3 games, 0 points (0.00ppg)

Vs Top 10 teams:
Hughes: 19 games, 20 points (1.05ppg)
Hutson: 5 games, 1 point (0.2ppg)

Vs Top 20 teams
Hughes: 29 games, 34 points (1.17ppg)
Hutson: 13 games, 10 points (0.76ppg)

Vs Unranked teams:
Hughes 10 games, 14 points (1.4ppg)
Hutson 26 games, 38 points (1.46ppg)

ah yes, of course.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Except, again.

Fox is elite defensively.

Hutson will never get anywhere close to that level defensively.

 

[Xirik]

Have you suggested anyone else but Hutson? or the people that you think should go after him?

 

[dgibb10]

If you geniunely think Lane Hutson has the capability to be an elite defensive dmen at the NHL level I question if you've watched a single one of his games

 

[Bouboumaster]

Have you suggested anyone else but Hutson? or the people that you think should go after him?

Why should I suggest anyone else at 10?

If you geniunely think Lane Hutson has the capability to be an elite defensive dmen at the NHL level I question if you've watched a single one of his games

He ain't "elite" but he can hold his own, while also be one of the best offensive defenseman to be drafted in the past 5 years at least

 

[dgibb10]

Why should I suggest anyone else at 10?





He ain't "elite" but he can hold his own, while also be one of the best offensive defenseman to be drafted in the past 5 years at least

being able to "hold his own" defensively, does not put you anywhere close to the tier of Adam Fox defensively

 

[amnesiac]

being able to "hold his own" defensively, does not put you anywhere close to the tier of Adam Fox defensively

and how do yo know he wont improve in his first 2-3 years just as Fox and Hughes did? I dont get that.

Its like saying back in 2019 that prospect Adam Fox is nowhere close defensively as say, Victor Hedman. He wasnt, still isnt, but is still a top Dman in the league regardless.

Hutson isnt just some PP specialist. He wouldnt have been USA's 1D in the WJC and given 20+ mins/game if that were the case, nor would he have been a HB candidate 2 years in a row.

Hes now 5'10, and put up similar/better numbers to: Makar, Hughes, and Fox in the same league at the same age. Whats not to like other than that hes a Montreal Canadien whos getting more hype than if he were in a US market? (I dont have him in my next 4 pick btw)

 

[dgibb10]

and how do yo know he wont improve in his first 2-3 years just as Fox and Hughes did? I dont get that.

Its like saying back in 2019 that prospect Adam Fox is nowhere close defensively as say, Victor Hedman. He wasnt, still isnt, but is still a top Dman in the league regardless.

Hutson isnt just some PP specialist. He wouldnt have been USA's 1D in the WJC and given 20+ mins/game if that were the case, nor would he have been a HB candidate 2 years in a row.

Hes now 5'10, and put up similar numbers to: Makar, Hughes, and Fox in the same league at the same age. Whats not to like other than that hes a Montreal Canadien?

Lane Hutson is very poor defensively, and doesn't have many translatable ways to improve that at the NHL level (eg, Makar and Quinn being among the best skaters in the league), limited size, poor positioning, poor stick work.

But if you want to pretend prospects flaws don't exist because "what if they magically fix all their flaws", go ahead

 

[amnesiac]

Lane Hutson is very poor defensively, and doesn't have many translatable ways to improve that at the NHL level (eg, Makar and Quinn being among the best skaters in the league), limited size, poor positioning, poor stick work.

But if you want to pretend prospects flaws don't exist because "what if they magically fix all their flaws", go ahead

yeah thats completely false. "Very poor"? gimme a break, man... if he was THAT poor in terms of defence he wouldnt have been given so many minutes by Team USA of all teams last winter, and wouldnt have been a HB candidate 2 years in a row.

I guarantee if this kid wasnt a Hab there wouldnt be so many critics

 

[RedWingzz]

add Nate Danielson

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Hutson isn't even bad defensively, at least not at the ncaa level.

The concern with Hutson is that he has physical limitations (size, backward skating), so playing defense against bigger players and elite skaters in the nhl could cause problems.

He's an offensive dman, so he's also obviously going to take risks and turn the puck over like all players of that type do.

 

[Maitz]

Really like the Wright progression, next Buium and add Musty

 

[Bouboumaster]

Lane Hutson is very poor defensively, and doesn't have many translatable ways to improve that at the NHL level (eg, Makar and Quinn being among the best skaters in the league), limited size, poor positioning, poor stick work.

But if you want to pretend prospects flaws don't exist because "what if they magically fix all their flaws", go ahead

Oh yeah so every other comparables can improve but Hutson can't because you don't feel he will

Cool story

 

[dgibb10]

Oh yeah so every other comparables can improve but Hutson can't because you don't feel he will

Cool story

He can, and likely will improve.

So will every other prospect out there.

What traits of his suggest he can defend effectively at the NHL level?

 

[amnesiac]

He can, and likely will improve.

So will every other prospect out there.

What traits of his suggest he can defend effectively at the NHL level?

the fact that hes defended fine in NCAA? We're not talking about playing vs 16-19 year olds the QMJHL here. I understand the NHL is a different animal, but thats where IQ (and coaching) comes into play.

And even if he is sub par defensively at the NHL level, his offense and skill will make up for it just as Dmen like: Karlsson, Burns, Rielly, Carlson, Dunn, etc etc have.

His skill IS next level, you cant deny that. On this list alone, his skill/agility/stickhandling is easily top 10. Hes not just going to lose that, and if anything will improve. ANd I guarantee he wont be 165 lbs over the next 3-4 years.

Im not even saying he should be voted here at #11, but some of you are talking like hes outside the top 20 or 25. Theres no way after what he shown in his D+1 and 2. NCAA is the superior "pre-pro league", thats pretty much a fact now.

 

[Bouboumaster]

He can, and likely will improve.

So will every other prospect out there.

What traits of his suggest he can defend effectively at the NHL level?

The fact that he did for two NHL Games already

What traits of His suggest he can't Do it?

 

[dgibb10]

The fact that he did for two NHL Games already

What traits of His suggest he can't Do it?

If you call that effective NHL defending I don't know what to tell you.

I guess not too surprising that your frame of reference is somewhat off considering MTL has been the worst defensive team in hockey over the past 3 years.

Lack of size, poor stick work, not positionally sound at all, poor skating backwards, his transitions between backwards/forwards skating aren't great, and just overall limited in terms of speed at the NHL level.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Yeah better point to that rather than the plethora of smaller defensemen who have been succeeding in the NHL lately.

Thus is about like the people who were bellowing that Dante Fabbro was a similar level prospect as Hughes when they both played in the NCAA.

Yes. Reinbacher is Fabbro, Hutson is Quinn Hughes. Got it!