Value of: Hertl to Habs

[Benstheman]

If Vegas sign Marner as UFA this summer, they will need to shed salary.

What I understand is Karlsson won't be the guy traded for this sole purpose. Would Hertl be a candidate to make cap room??

If so, what would be the ask for a trade with the Habs?

 

[BLNY]

Hertl has a NMC. A NTC kicks in in 2026-27. It starts at 3 teams and moves up to 15 in 2028. He isn't going anywhere.

 

[gary559]

His cap hit is 6.7 and goes until 2030. I think this would mess with the cap structure and timeline to much in Montreal to be a viable trade.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

His cap hit is 6.7 and goes until 2030. I think this would mess with the cap structure and timeline to much in Montreal to be a viable trade.

In 2 x years both Andreson and Gally are off the books with the cap presumably going up. Hertl has a decent contract but the duration relative to his age is the concern for the Habs.

I don't see Vegas trading him and the NMC.

 

[Benstheman]

Hertl has a NMC. A NTC kicks in in 2026-27. It starts at 3 teams and moves up to 15 in 2028. He isn't going anywhere.

Puckpedia shows it at Modified no trade clause as of right now.

 

[seabass45]

Capwages has a 3 team NTC/NMC starting July 1.

 

[Benstheman]

Capwages has a 3 team NTC/NMC starting July 1.

Ok so he agrees to be traded to only 3 teams?

 

[BLNY]

Puckpedia shows it at Modified no trade clause as of right now.

Yah that's my mistake. 25-26 the M-NTC does start.

 

[Benstheman]

Yah that's my mistake. 25-26 the M-NTC does start.

No problem. But still not a lot of chances MTL is on his 3 teams list he'd accept a trade.

 

[BLNY]

No problem. But still not a lot of chances MTL is on his 3 teams list he'd accept a trade.

Definitely not.

 

[ole ole]

No problem. But still not a lot of chances MTL is on his 3 teams list he'd accept a trade.

What is it with some Hab fans wanting to trade for 30 + yr old players? No the Habs should not want Hertl.

 

[Benstheman]

What is it with some Hab fans wanting to trade for 30 + yr old players? No the Habs should not want Hertl.

You're right. Hertl is too young. I want Crosby.

 

[Bizz]

What is it with some Hab fans wanting to trade for 30 + yr old players? No the Habs should not want Hertl.

because we all know players lose any and all ability once their age starts with the number 3.

they may as well start retiring at 29.

 

[Roof Daddy]

What is Vegas’ motivation here? I get that the OP says if they sign Marner, but why would they sign Marner? How is that realistic? Marner’s contract in free agency will be a major overpay. Hertz’s contract (with the current retention SJ is paying for) is fair market/slight bargain. So why would you move a solid contract to bring in an inflated one?

 

[Benstheman]

What is Vegas’ motivation here? I get that the OP says if they sign Marner, but why would they sign Marner? How is that realistic? Marner’s contract in free agency will be a major overpay. Hertz’s contract (with the current retention SJ is paying for) is fair market/slight bargain. So why would you move a solid contract to bring in an inflated one?

Vegas like new shiny toys. And they need to make a move to keep being relevant.

 

[ole ole]

because we all know players lose any and all ability once their age starts with the number 3.

they may as well start retiring at 29.

By the time the Habs become Cup Contenders Hertl will be 33 /34 on the downside of his career.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Ok so he agrees to be traded to only 3 teams?

Yes. He has a 3 team list where he will accept.

Florida, Tampa, and Dallas.

 

[Benstheman]

Yes. He has a 3 team list where he will accept.

Florida, Tampa, and Dallas.

So Vegas is stocked with him.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

So Vegas is stocked with him.

If he doesn't want to leave a no tax state they are stuck with him.

It's not until year 7 it goes to a 15 team approved list.

 

[Kosseca]

NTC/NMCs haven't prevented Vegas to move players before. Odds are that if Hertl does not feel welcome, he'll agree to move. Would he be ok to go to MTL, that we dont know, but this discussion should be limited to the fact that Hertl has a NTC.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

NTC/NMCs haven't prevented Vegas to move players before. Odds are that if Hertl does not feel welcome, he'll agree to move. Would he be ok to go to MTL, that we dont know, but this discussion should be limited to the fact that Hertl has a NTC.

He has an NMC or even if it's NTC, he can only approve a trade to 3 teams. It was reported when he was traded to Vegas, it was 3 US teams.

 

[Kosseca]

He has an NMC or even if it's NTC, he can only approve a trade to 3 teams. It was reported when he was traded to Vegas, it was 3 US teams.

And your point is? Player waive their NMC/NTC all the time. Would he do it, dont know, but if Vegas make the case that he's no longer part of the plans... he may perfer to go to a place that wants him. This is beside the question asked initially: what would be the value of Hertl to MTL in a trade.

 

[Benstheman]

So, i understand the NTC and all. But based on the premiss he would accept a trade to Mtl, what would be the cost?

 

[BKarchitect]

A 6-3, 220 pound forward still in his prime who just scored 32 goals and is an elite face-off man and top “true” center who is signed to a deal that is probably going to look pretty damn good after this summer is over (and with a real salary that declines as he gets older over the length of the deal)? It would take a lot.

Any other team and we aren’t speculating to his availability. I get that “it’s Vegas” - but the idea that they are going to “get over the hump” by shipping out their center depth so they can add playoff hero Mitch Marner to the wing seems incredulous even by their standards.

Much more likely they accrue space by poking around the edges with Roy, Whitecloud and Hague or maybe even Barbashev or Howden than drain their Eichel-Hertl-Karlsson center depth. Maybe that doesn’t get them to Marner’s price point but “having interest” is all we’ve heard so far.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

So, i understand the NTC and all. But based on the premiss he would accept a trade to Mtl, what would be the cost?

He's not accepting a trade to Montreal or any Canadien place. He wants to be in US