Player Discussion Henrik Lundqvist: Part III

[SML2]

So could we get Hank to agree to a trade to Ottawa after paying his 1M bonus, Ottawa buys him out and gets a 5.5M cap hit for 1.5 in actual cash, then we sign him back for league minimum to finish up his career? I hate to think his last game was against Carolina in the play in round.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Honestly, if I was Lundqvist at this point, I would just do everything that hurts the NYR the most. And when they start asking for a jersey ceremony, I would just decline and tell them to f*** off. The lack of respect for what he has done for the NYR franchise and how they've handled this debacle is honestly laughable. The classic NYR treatment when it comes to aging old stars, unless they're UFAs from somewhere else, then it's the gold treatment. The classic New York mercenary way to scratch backs. But Lundqvist will be classy and accept the PR garbage. I would personally just give the finger. But Lundqvist will smile and waive, because he's such a much more good hearted and understanding person, who still finds loyalty in ways I cannot even imagine.

The treatment of NYR stars and the handling of players that matter to the franchise is a perfect example why NYR will never be a successful hockey franchise. Always selfish, always a step behind, always thinking about money and the future, instead of the present. No permanent direction and no strategy how to win a Cup. You buy names and play a puzzle. Roll a dice. It's f***ing ridiculous. Zero identity. The ultimate mercenary team of mediocrity.

Never thinking of the social backlash treating your homegrown stars like garbage, because there's no money in that when they show decline. How can you be 100% loyal to a franchise that makes it perfectly clear you're just money cattle and not a human being? Go figure.

I can 100% guarantee the NYR won't win a cup for another 50 years. And that's easy to see. The franchise has the curse of arrogant assholes making the decisions thinking it's a business and not a sports team. Terms the clown owner will NEVER understand.

lol

 

[Leetch3]

So could we get Hank to agree to a trade to Ottawa after paying his 1M bonus, Ottawa buys him out and gets a 5.5M cap hit for 1.5 in actual cash, then we sign him back for league minimum to finish up his career? I hate to think his last game was against Carolina in the play in round.

I think the buyout would cost them $3 mil. $1.5 mil this and $1.5 next

 

[SML2]

I think the buyout would cost them $3 mil. $1.5 mil this and $1.5 next

you're right, I was just talking this season.

 

[SML2]

No doubt a cap circumvention

yeah. They should say he's allergic to his equipment, or that he's got post concussion syndrome and let him get a job in the league office. The NHL is tough on cap circumvention.

 

[yada]

The whole team wasn't ready, goalies included.

It doesn't matter who was ready on the rangers, the hurricanes were just a flat out better team.

 

[Irishguy42]

No doubt a cap circumvention

It is literally given as an example of cap circumvention in the CBA.

Among other examples, which of course, do not cover everything the league will look at.

 

[Leetch3]

It is literally given as an example of cap circumvention in the CBA.

Among other examples, which of course, do not cover everything the league will look at.

none of it will ever happen but that says you can't give a 'no-show' job meaning they are given a title but don't actually do anything and get paid...that would be completely different then hiring for an actual position where he worked. loophole found

 

[nyr2k2]

none of it will ever happen but that says you can't give a 'no-show' job meaning they are given a title but don't actually do anything and get paid...that would be completely different then hiring for an actual position where he worked. loophole found

I don't disagree it could be pulled off (I was talking about it the other day--you could even have some other affiliated organization pay the guy so he's not on the team's books), but it feels like one of those risk-reward things where the potential risk if it somehow unraveled could be devastating. Like the Devils with Kovalchuk, all they did was violate the spirit of the CBA as far as I know; or the Coyotes losing a 1 and 2 for doing something that gave them hardly any advantage at all. I don't think it would be worth risking.

 

[Leetch3]

I don't disagree it could be pulled off (I was talking about it the other day--you could even have some other affiliated organization pay the guy so he's not on the team's books), but it feels like one of those risk-reward things where the potential risk if it somehow unraveled could be devastating. Like the Devils with Kovalchuk, all they did was violate the spirit of the CBA as far as I know; or the Coyotes losing a 1 and 2 for doing something that gave them hardly any advantage at all. I don't think it would be worth risking.

I mean obviously if they hired him for his full nhl salary and he was only there for 1 year that would raise some eyebrows. but i'm guessing that alot of former players that made good $$ as players that are now working in the front office are getting paid a decent amount of $$ otherwise it wouldn't be worth their time. there is no way the league can prevent the rangers from legitimately hiring him to work in the front office

 

[Shesterkybomb]

So could we get Hank to agree to a trade to Ottawa after paying his 1M bonus, Ottawa buys him out and gets a 5.5M cap hit for 1.5 in actual cash, then we sign him back for league minimum to finish up his career? I hate to think his last game was against Carolina in the play in round.

Hank isn't going to Ottawa, if he goes anywhere its for a cup.

 

[nyr2k2]

I mean obviously if they hired him for his full nhl salary and he was only there for 1 year that would raise some eyebrows. but i'm guessing that alot of former players that made good $$ as players that are now working in the front office are getting paid a decent amount of $$ otherwise it wouldn't be worth their time. there is no way the league can prevent the rangers from legitimately hiring him to work in the front office

I mean of course he could come and work legitimately. But we were talking about a no-show job, right?

 

[SML2]

Hank isn't going to Ottawa, if he goes anywhere its for a cup.

Did you read anything? He goes to Ottawa to get bought out. Then he can sign anywhere. Don't you think that free agency would actually help him choose a beneficial situation?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Hank extension inc?

 

[Leetch3]

Hank isn't going to Ottawa, if he goes anywhere its for a cup.

well in the scenario mentioned, ottawa would be getting a pick to pay for his buyout. hank would then be a UFA and could sign anywhere...the end result for hank is the same as if we bought him out. we would just be paying a draft pick to not have the dead cap space.

 

[CasusBelli]

Maybe it was mentioned here, and I missed it, but I was just with a “connected” Swedish friend (and family friend of the Forsbergs) who said Hank will decide what to do with his career in the coming days.

 

[NYSPORTS]

cost a 2nd Rounder but at least Marc Staal did the right thing. Kids and all, he waived his NTC.

Hank?

 

[Leetch3]

cost a 2nd Rounder but at least Marc Staal did the right thing. Kids and all, he waived his NTC.

Hank?

staal didn't waive anything. turns out he couldn't play a trade to det.

 

[JCProdigy]

I mean of course he could come and work legitimately. But we were talking about a no-show job, right?

That's the rub though right? There is a wrench in that plan. No-show job would be circumventing the cap and while a legit job wouldn't be, maybe he doesn't want to work in the front office in the next phase of his life.

 

[The S5]

Hank isn't going to Ottawa, if he goes anywhere its for a cup.

As a backup?
I don't see it.

 

[haohmaru]

cost a 2nd Rounder but at least Marc Staal did the right thing. Kids and all, he waived his NTC.

Hank?

Wrong. His NMC prevented him from being assigned to the AHL or waived. His NTC included a short list of teams he wouldn't accept a trade to. Detroit wasn't one of them.

He didn't do anything for the Rangers' sake other than play for them.

 

[nevesis]

 

[Chimpradamus]

So I might have been quite exorbiant in my last couple of posts when it comes to Lundqvist and you might very well be quite amused by some parts of what I wrote. Yes, I'm pissed, but I understand he's no longer part of this team. My mix of overall NHL resentment and the history of the management of the NYR certainly didn't help, I can tell you that much.

I just wanted some room to complain and rant how Lundqvist's ending was nothing like the ending he deserved, which I think you have understood I meant in a way. You saw my rants for what it was. Lundqvist as a player will have a special place in my hockey heart, it's just sad the ending would be such a bum ride.

I will hold a plus though that Staal was traded, because if this team would've bought out Lundqvist and kept Staal on the roster, the next post I would've written probably would've been deleted. That was a great move by the half blind pylon and to be appreciated.

 

[Harbour Dog]

So I might have been quite exorbiant in my last couple of posts when it comes to Lundqvist and you might very well be quite amused by some parts of what I wrote. Yes, I'm pissed, but I understand he's no longer part of this team. My mix of overall NHL resentment and the history of the management of the NYR certainly didn't help, I can tell you that much.

I just wanted some room to complain and rant how Lundqvist's ending was nothing like the ending he deserved, which I think you have understood I meant in a way. You saw my rants for what it was. Lundqvist as a player will have a special place in my hockey heart, it's just sad the ending would be such a bum ride.

I will hold a plus though that Staal was traded instead of Lundqvist, because if this team would've bought out Lundqvist and kept Staal on the roster, the next post I would've written probably would've been deleted. That was a great move by the half blind pylon and to be appreciated.

To be fair, Man, I feel the same way. I'm still really hoping that we use Georgiev to move up in the first round and keep Hank on as a backup this year.

The only thing that is going to make it a little easier to see him go is that we've managed to round together a ridiculous team for the coming years. Still going to sting though.

 

[Chytilmania]

If Georgiev is getting traded we already cleared cap I have no issues keeping Hank and letting him finish his contract out. I think it will be better for Igor and no additional buyouts the following season could be huge for making a run.