Help understanding these tourneys
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Well. The Europeans think it's exactly what it says on the tin, "world championships", and the folks in charge of the European teams try to ice the best possible team available. They keep the eyes open for the developments throughtout the spring in the NHL and everyone who of their best players might be available (ie. not making it to or in the Stanley Cup playoffs), occasionally keeping a spot open ridiculously long for a particular NHL player who's team is expected to drop out even mid-tournament.
The European NHL players on their part weight if their teams allow them to go, if their teams don't want them to go, if they're tired after the season, if they have minor physical injuries they need to heal, if they have major emotional injuries they need to heal and if they will find their no-go now ahead of them if the Olympic year is less than ~two years ahead.
The Americans, I'm told on the internet, usually consider it as little more than a two and a half week European vacation.
The European NHL players on their part weight if their teams allow them to go, if their teams don't want them to go, if they're tired after the season, if they have minor physical injuries they need to heal, if they have major emotional injuries they need to heal and if they will find their no-go now ahead of them if the Olympic year is less than ~two years ahead.
The Americans, I'm told on the internet, usually consider it as little more than a two and a half week European vacation.
gwh
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The highest division in worlds has yearly relegation/promotion cycle. The worst team gets kicked off the champ division after the games.
Division 1 has annual games and the winner gets promoted to champ division.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IIHF_World_Championship_Division_I
gwh
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For team US, yes. European teams are mostly the best available, except for injuries and NHL playoffs.
tobu
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The tournament in September is an Nhl organized show featuring two non national gimmick teams, so while you will have technically NHL's best players, the "national" aspect of the tournament is a joke and many hockey fans around the world have little interest in watching the tournament.
This tournament is always taken seriously by European teams and it has its own traditions and a permanent place in the European hockey calendar. The U.S seems to use this tournament to develop their young players, but European teams ask all their best available players to join. That means that the quality of the rosters varies quite a bit from year to year.
The tournament in September is an artificial NHL cash cow not featuring all national teams.
The tournament in September is an artificial NHL cash cow not featuring all national teams.
Basically North Americans take WHC as a spring vacation, Europeans are more serious. Then NHL takes World Cup at September seriously, Europeans consider it more a marketing gimmick for the NHL.
Olympics are the only one everyone takes seriously.
When on ice, all players however would rather win than lose.
Olympics are the only one everyone takes seriously.
When on ice, all players however would rather win than lose.
Additionally, the World Championships have been around since times immemorial. The NHL World Cup is something that pops up sporadically. They're not about to break the cycle simply because there's another tournament in the same year.
While it's a "world" tournament in name, the WHC is basically the yearly climax of the European hockey season. All the leagues (save for the NHL) are done, so it's time to gather the best players from those leagues (+available NHLers) to one last hockey party before the summer. It has cultural significance to hockey fans (and players) in Europe in the same manner as the SC finals have to North Americans.
Of course, that is not to say that people from elsewhere are forbidden to enjoy it, just like there are people from all over who tune in to the SC finals. But the biggest cultural impact is limited to a certain geographigical area.
While it's a "world" tournament in name, the WHC is basically the yearly climax of the European hockey season. All the leagues (save for the NHL) are done, so it's time to gather the best players from those leagues (+available NHLers) to one last hockey party before the summer. It has cultural significance to hockey fans (and players) in Europe in the same manner as the SC finals have to North Americans.
Of course, that is not to say that people from elsewhere are forbidden to enjoy it, just like there are people from all over who tune in to the SC finals. But the biggest cultural impact is limited to a certain geographigical area.
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Also the World Championships is used for world rankings which in turn is used for olympic qualification. The world cup is not sanctioned by the iihf and doesn't count toward any rankings.
Yea the Swedes take it so serious that just 40 of our best players decline to participate.
The IIHF World Championship is the annual get-together of the global hockey family, the NHL's Cash Cup is a tournament built around the idea of cashing in on the Canadian market. The former has an extensive history while the other – not so much. The NHL's tournament is held on a highly irregular basis and there can be anything between 3-12 years between different editions. It should also be noted that the NHL's Cash Cup has non-national teams participating so it is not a real international tournament.
Is it a case of Sweden becoming "Americanized" in the sense that the tourney's significance as a year ending "carnival" is disappearing because so many of the best players play in North America, or has this always been the case in Sweden? Obviously from a strict hockey and business perspective this is a tournament to expand the sport to smaller markets, but that's another discussion.
MMANumminen
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For casual hockey fans here in Finland WHC is the biggest event of the year. If we win the whole country will go nuts
To provide as non biased an overview as possible.
The IIHF is the international organization for regulating national hockey teams. They sanction and organize the world championships every year in May.
The World Cup is sanctioned by the IIHF but is run and organized by the NHL and the NHLPA. It is the successor to the Canada cup the original international tournament that first allowed all nations to participate with their best players. (The Olympics and IIHF worlds only allowed amateurs for a long time). It has not been held on a regular schedule since the 1980s
The NHL has zero financial interest in the Worlds but keeps the profits (along with the NHLPA) for the World Cup in September. Therefore the NHL highly encouraged it's players to play in the World Cup and make them available. Players are free for the IIHF worlds but there's no pressure from the NHL to participate. The only pressure comes from their own international teams and home countries. Therefore you'll see more player interest from countries that tend to care more about th IIHF Worlds than from those that don't. That tends to be, but is not universally a European North American divide.
The IIHF is the international organization for regulating national hockey teams. They sanction and organize the world championships every year in May.
The World Cup is sanctioned by the IIHF but is run and organized by the NHL and the NHLPA. It is the successor to the Canada cup the original international tournament that first allowed all nations to participate with their best players. (The Olympics and IIHF worlds only allowed amateurs for a long time). It has not been held on a regular schedule since the 1980s
The NHL has zero financial interest in the Worlds but keeps the profits (along with the NHLPA) for the World Cup in September. Therefore the NHL highly encouraged it's players to play in the World Cup and make them available. Players are free for the IIHF worlds but there's no pressure from the NHL to participate. The only pressure comes from their own international teams and home countries. Therefore you'll see more player interest from countries that tend to care more about th IIHF Worlds than from those that don't. That tends to be, but is not universally a European North American divide.
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World Champs is a tourney where IIHF wants to make money and grow the sport.
World Cup is a tourney where NHL wants to make money and grow their brand.
Both want to make money but only one tournament care about the spirit of sports(that anyone can qualify and thus win). Basically.
World Cup is a tourney where NHL wants to make money and grow their brand.
Both want to make money but only one tournament care about the spirit of sports(that anyone can qualify and thus win). Basically.
JackSlater
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The World Championship tournament is the IIHF's attempt to host a big tournament with the worlds best players. Of course it doesn't make sense to do so when the league with nearly all of the best players has its playoffs, but the IIHF made that decision long ago. WIth the schedules of European leagues, the IIHF is now in a no win situation when it comes to scheduling. The tournament is obviously very unbalanced and is missing most of the best players, but it has good atmosphere. Enjoyable to watch.
The NHL's tournament is essentially a bad joke. It used to be a legitimate best on best tournament, but new gimmicks ruin that. It isn't an international tournament considering multiple teams involved are not even national teams. It isn't best on best since some teams, but not all, have random age limits placed on them. Most of the world's best players will be there, but the NHL turned what should have been a good start to a new era into essentially debacle.
The NHL's tournament is essentially a bad joke. It used to be a legitimate best on best tournament, but new gimmicks ruin that. It isn't an international tournament considering multiple teams involved are not even national teams. It isn't best on best since some teams, but not all, have random age limits placed on them. Most of the world's best players will be there, but the NHL turned what should have been a good start to a new era into essentially debacle.
Interesting point. It was discussed here for several times what should be the goal for young player. Older generation grow with the dream to play for national team, NHL was too far for them. More and more people stressed "NA way" that you should grow on what is best for you, i.e. play in best league. A lot of young player grow with that NA attitude and honestly without it they might never reach NHL in czech enviroment. In CZ it often means that you leave czech development system early and go play in NA juior leagues. Therefore the attitude of that young guys to national team and WHC is not that strong as it was for Reichel etc.
Sweden is obviously bringing talents for NHL and its already goal for that guys since they are 14. The difference between CZ and Swe is that WHC is so big here that it will never lead to oblivion as it is in Sweden so players hopefully will come again and again because May is only about hockey here, everybody knows about it, probably same as in Finnland. We will never organize Olympics so this is one of the biggest events here, more TVs are sold, pubs are full. And when we held it, its like madness... Hopefully it will remain like this.
Edit: you could be czech according to nickname, so forget this post
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It was the same in Latvia. But lately due to poor performance and complete chaos in the hockey federation, our interest in this tournament has been shattered. We still follow it but not with the former zeal.
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IMO it's good thing that WC is not literally a best on best tournament.
This tournament is something that shows depth of teams, and players who might never play a best on best have a chance to play for their country. It also gives a slight chance for teams such as Latvia, Switzerland, Germany, Norway, Denmark etc to surprise.
This tournament is something that shows depth of teams, and players who might never play a best on best have a chance to play for their country. It also gives a slight chance for teams such as Latvia, Switzerland, Germany, Norway, Denmark etc to surprise.
100% agree. It also pushes these guys to next level. Watching same top squads every year will be usless.
