Proposal: Havlat

[Beetlebum*]

What would the Sharks want for him and would you have any interest in Jon Merrill?

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[ChubbChubby]

No interest in trading him unless the return is significant. He's not a problem on this team outside of being injury prone.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Forwards not dmen.

 

[Beetlebum*]

What about Tedenby and Merrill for Havlat?

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

What about Tedenby and Merrill for Havlat?

I'm pretty sure that's overpayment from NJ.

 

[LeeIFBB]

Yes, his father was a glassmaker. You're welcome.

 

[PlaywithGutz*]

i would say trade havlat for anything including a bag of pucks and a pick...

going forward he is not what SJ wants as far as his approach to the game...way to soft, almost zero physical engangement, and by far, injury prone..

lot of cap tied up in that guy...

 

[magic school bus]

What would the Sharks want for him and would you have any interest in Jon Merrill?

Hell yes.

 

[hockeyball]

i would say trade havlat for anything including a bag of pucks and a pick...

going forward he is not what SJ wants as far as his approach to the game...way to soft, almost zero physical engangement, and by far, injury prone..

lot of cap tied up in that guy...

I know right, we don't want anymore fast skating, puck handling, two-way wingers that have a history of performing well in the playoffs. We are just bursting at the seems with them.

Thank god you are not Doug Wilson. Havlat is exactly the kind of player this team needs more of, aside from the injury issues. Without Clowe and Murray we would still be one of the biggest teams in the league.

 

[hohosaregood]

i would say trade havlat for anything including a bag of pucks and a pick...

going forward he is not what SJ wants as far as his approach to the game...way to soft, almost zero physical engangement, and by far, injury prone..

lot of cap tied up in that guy...

You seem like you were bummed when we lost Frazer McLaren to Toronto.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

You seem like you were bummed when we lost Frazer McLaren to Toronto.

He could have been excited when that happened. Look at his avatar.

 

[TheSandman]

I know right, we don't want anymore fast skating, puck handling, two-way wingers that have a history of performing well in the playoffs. We are just bursting at the seems with them.

Thank god you are not Doug Wilson. Havlat is exactly the kind of player this team needs more of, aside from the injury issues. Without Clowe and Murray we would still be one of the biggest teams in the league.

Gotta agree with PWG here....Havlat is not what this team needs. Wether it's the player or the system, he's been a poor fit all along and is too injury prone. He played 70-ish games for a couple of seasons before he became a Shark but otherwise is basically a lock to only play partial seasons....

The team is better off without him. I'd give him away for a high pick and then use the $5M in free agency over the summer.

 

[hockeyball]

Gotta agree with PWG here....Havlat is not what this team needs. Wether it's the player or the system, he's been a poor fit all along and is too injury prone. He played 70-ish games for a couple of seasons before he became a Shark but otherwise is basically a lock to only play partial seasons....

The team is better off without him. I'd give him away for a high pick and then use the $5M in free agency over the summer.

I don't have a problem with the injury prone argument, but skill-set wise he's a great fit, and a lot better than Dany Heatley.

 

[TheSandman]

I don't have a problem with the injury prone argument, but skill-set wise he's a great fit, and a lot better than Dany Heatley.

Well, ok, but injuries are part of the reality with Havlat...is it worth tying up $5M in a player that may play half a season every year? I don't think so. Style wise he fits in and is what the Sharks need in theory...but in actuality he hasn't lived up to expectations. $5M can buy you a more consistent player or perhaps 2 solid role players to round out this bottom 6.

 

[hockeyball]

Well, ok, but injuries are part of the reality with Havlat...is it worth tying up $5M in a player that may play half a season every year? I don't think so. Style wise he fits in and is what the Sharks need in theory...but in actuality he hasn't lived up to expectations. $5M can buy you a more consistent player or perhaps 2 solid role players to round out this bottom 6.

No argument there. Just unlikely he'll waive. If he will though, and the return is reasonable, no argument from me. I just assume he won't waive though.

 

[CrazedZooChimp]

Well, ok, but injuries are part of the reality with Havlat...is it worth tying up $5M in a player that may play half a season every year? I don't think so. Style wise he fits in and is what the Sharks need in theory...but in actuality he hasn't lived up to expectations. $5M can buy you a more consistent player or perhaps 2 solid role players to round out this bottom 6.

To be fair, in each of his three seasons before coming to SJ he played over 70 games. So apparently it is possible that he could make it through a season without having any major injuries

 

[TheSandman]

To be fair, in each of his three seasons before coming to SJ he played over 70 games. So apparently it is possible that he could make it through a season without having any major injuries

True! There was hope

He has played all 82 games once, 70+ several times.

 

[PlaywithGutz*]

Trade marloo wsith him...the guy just doesnt compete...so tired of watching him button hook when he could finish guys...

 

[dwood16]

Saying he played 70 games twice or 3 times is great but you forget that it takes him forever to shake the rust off after missing games these days and has almost negative chemistry with the entire Sharks team. Throw in the fact that he is a perimeter passing player in the worst way with a very weak shot, and who generally doesn't even use any of this "speed" we all seem to associate him with anyway, and you have the epitome of poor fit.

Btw, what's the point of being a good skater if you are unwilling to do things like go anywhere near the slot, or even join the 2 on 1 breakaways with guy's who clearly want to set you up??

 

[hockeyball]

Saying he played 70 games twice or 3 times is great but you forget that it takes him forever to shake the rust off after missing games these days and has almost negative chemistry with the entire Sharks team. Throw in the fact that he is a perimeter passing player in the worst way with a very weak shot, and who generally doesn't even use any of this "speed" we all seem to associate him with anyway, and you have the epitome of poor fit.

Btw, what's the point of being a good skater if you are unwilling to do things like go anywhere near the slot, or even join the 2 on 1 breakaways with guy's who clearly want to set you up??

Please point out ANY players on this team who are driving the slot on the rush or shooting on 2 on 1's? You can't, because no one is, because the coach is very clearly not directing them to do that. He said himself, he's telling them to maintain control of the puck and grind it out, Havlat is doing exactly what he is being told, and doing a pretty good job of it.

Get a coach in there that tells them to drive the net in waves, score on the transition, and I guarantee you Havlat will shine. He is being miss-used, just like the majority of the team.

 

[PlaywithGutz*]

Please point out ANY players on this team who are driving the slot on the rush or shooting on 2 on 1's? You can't, because no one is, because the coach is very clearly not directing them to do that. He said himself, he's telling them to maintain control of the puck and grind it out, Havlat is doing exactly what he is being told, and doing a pretty good job of it.

Get a coach in there that tells them to drive the net in waves, score on the transition, and I guarantee you Havlat will shine. He is being miss-used, just like the majority of the team.

Burns, Wingles, Desi, sometimes Pavs...are..pretty sad that the best forward has been Burns..

Havlat is not doing that b/c he is afraid to go those areas and plays very soft along the boards where the Todd wants to grind things out..Also his shot seems like that of a first year Bantam..very weak! He has lost something..

He is soft and plays soft..He obviously is afraid of any contact and for 5mil i am sure we could find someone who plays with more relentlessness and who would definitely put up more #'s than havlat has.

With our top guys who seem to pull the fly-byes when they could finish a guy, there is no reason to have another who is, not a top talent on this team(as his #'s have shown), doing the same thing. SJ needs more relentlessness on the puck!!!

IMO he is a bust..free up the cap for some young legs...

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Please point out ANY players on this team who are driving the slot on the rush or shooting on 2 on 1's? You can't, because no one is, because the coach is very clearly not directing them to do that. He said himself, he's telling them to maintain control of the puck and grind it out, Havlat is doing exactly what he is being told, and doing a pretty good job of it.

Get a coach in there that tells them to drive the net in waves, score on the transition, and I guarantee you Havlat will shine. He is being miss-used, just like the majority of the team.

The Sharks offense and defense right now is the equivalent of a basketball team running nothing but half court on offense and zone on defense. They hardly forecheck very aggressively (few games they have) and don't pressure the puck. Its truly the most conservative way to play short of trapping for 60 minutes.

 

[hockeyball]

Burns, Wingles, Desi, sometimes Pavs...are..pretty sad that the best forward has been Burns..

None of those guys you listed are doing so regularly, or successfully, besides maybe Burns and that's a small sample size. Pav's certainly isn't.

Again, they are being TOLD to play like this, McLellan admitted that. You are basically harping on Havlat for doing what he's told.

 

[WTFetus]

Saying he played 70 games twice or 3 times is great but you forget that it takes him forever to shake the rust off after missing games these days and has almost negative chemistry with the entire Sharks team.

Did you not watch the game on Monday?

 

[PlaywithGutz*]

None of those guys you listed are doing so regularly, or successfully, besides maybe Burns and that's a small sample size. Pav's certainly isn't.

Again, they are being TOLD to play like this, McLellan admitted that. You are basically harping on Havlat for doing what he's told.

You can add in Boyle b/c he has driven the slot. Yep that is 2 D..
And yes Toddr is saying shoot..he said shoot from anywhere, get MORE shots.

The problem lies with their D system of contain rather than attack in the D zone and THAT system affects the transition game and IMO the compete level of the team. Its kinda like playing zone D in basketball and it may limit shots but it limits aggressiveness and tenaciousness and in the end if affects overall compete levels..IMO

Todd is not telling Havlat to play soft and not compete ..
watch tonight how many times havlat fishes or poke checks for pucks rather than body on body. Watch how many times Havlat button hooks rather than finishing a guy on the forecheck or in the O zone....

i get it, he is crafty, but he is soft and injury prone. Ship him out for a bag of pucks and a pick b/c there is absolutely no leverage with him and he is not productive enough to stick around after this year.