Has your stance on the World Cup changed for the better?

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I really enjoyed watching team NA play. I think that this type of team has a chance of coming back next time. As far as team Europe, it's more complicated. On one hand, some very good players (from Slovenia, Denmark, France, etc) get a chance to play in the competition, but on the other, it's hard to get excited about its play.
 
I'm pretty fine with the concept of having Europe and NA again. If it bothers people, fine, that's their opinion and right. But it sure doesn't bother me. Watching Team Europe this touranment, I like the concept even more. Players who's biggest achievement on international stage would be making the quarter-finals, players who, for example, never beat Sweden before, but now they did together. I like it, and especially if the NHL goes to the Olympics, why not have this format? You have the olympics for the only nationalistic people and purpose, and you have here another unique tournament, that would sure get to be more prestigous with being held more regularly.

The North American team was a great idea, and it could be next time around too, if they give the right to choose first to Canada/US. If someone thinks there won't be enough talent around like this year... I don't think so. Maybe there won't be McDavid or Matthews, but there will be plenty of talent for sure.


Hockey is about enjoynment. Of course, I like enjoying serious competition, so if I knew players are holding back and not playing their best, I wouldn't like the format anymore, but that's not the case. The games that included North America were one of the best I've ever seen.

As for changing the format to Canada A + Canada B, or something like that, I don't think it's a good idea. You want the tournament to maintain a certain look, you can't change format everytime. There's only two options in my opinion. Either you get back to traditional format with countries only, whatever the qualification system for the lesser teams is, or you remain with this year's format, changing only the rule of availability for the NAU24 team.


I understand people who are into nation-vs-nation competition only. I get it, and that's why I love the Olympics, or the World Championships. But if the players find the format interesting and worthy of putting their best effort on the line, I don't see what is wrong with having something different, unique from other /competition. It brings excitement and that's what it's about for me.

Some people go around here (and look really stupid right now if they still do so), and say... "well, yeah, it's fun, the game is fun, but it's not serious, it's not really intense.... well... try to watch a game, without prejudice and really tell me where do you see the difference between an olympic game, and a world cup game, because I can't see any. If it's in you head, and you come to this tournament thinking it's a bull of crap, then it's natural that your mind is trying to see it in that way, that's just how brain works. If you are going to be positive about life, you will see positive things, if you choose to be negative, your mind will see negative things, that's just how it is. And if you choose to think this tournament is bull of crap, well, guess what. You will see what you want to see. Have you ever met a person in life who complained about something that wasn't even really there? Who you knew majority of people feel different, but he's somehow "negative" and sees things in different light? Have you?

Now I'm not talking about people who think that because it's not "real best-on-best" (because Canada and US were not able to pick the players from Team NAU24), or because there's Team Europe and Team NA, "gimmick teams" in supposed national competition, which doesn't make sense, and therefore it's a meaningless tournament. I don't talk about those people. You can see that the tournament is meaningless for them because of these reasons, no matter how players care or don't care about the tournament, no matter how intense the play is or isn't. I'm talking about people who question the intensity and interest of players on the ice. I'm talking about people who think that this tournament isn't taken seriously by the players and it's "showing up", (somwhere?) Look, if your only argument is that "this is not the olympics", well, nothing is. So if you think an athlete doesn't take seriously any other pro-competition other than the olympics, I don't know what to tell you. I guess all the World Athletics and gymnastics and swimming championships don't matter to the athletes becauase it's not the olympics, right? Obviously, the last argument is that they don't really care because the format sucks. (like I've heard from swedish, finnish fans, for example). So, I'm talking about these people, just to make it clear. Now:

I am quite confident, that if I showed someone, who doesn't know what games he's watching, a game from the 2010 Olympics, and a game from this World cup, I'm quite confident he wouldn't notice any difference in pace, tempo, effort passion, or emotions. So, how's that, here according to these people players supposedly and "celarly" don't really care?

Look at this game



and then at this game, and tell me the difference. I'm waiting for it, because there must be something to point out if you think the difference is obvious and is seen in the actual game (well, where else right)







or this game



and this game



I watched a couple of plays from those videos, and where is the difference some people talk about? Some are complaining there's no big hits, no huge hitting...look at the quarter final game in Vancouver between Sweden and Slovakia (or Russia and Slovakia)...I watched a couple of minutes and guess what...no real hitting..anything big, just standard battles like here. I guess players were not going serious, eh? It wasn't intense, eh?


There is one thing people forget here, the european teams just don't play physical hockey really. Where is the last time you saw Russia playing like a real physical game? Or game where they finish every play and check every player? Or Sweden? Not even Canada played overly physically at the 2015 world championships, which they won, and there was whole summer in front of them, not a new nhl season they need to be ready for. Yeah, they played hard for a few minutes if they needed to, as well as they did against Russia or US or Europe at this tournament when they needed to. People just forget that teams like Russia or Sweden, or even Team Europe, just don't have that type of players. Who do you expect to play "hard" on team Russia? Ovechkin? Yeah, he played hard and was throwing a lot of hits. Who's next? Malkin? Yeah, I'm not sure really. Kuznetsov? Panarin? Datsyuk? And what about Team Europe? What players play, like on the edge in the NHL? Chara perhaps. And? Zuccarello? (And to his credit, even he was trying really hard and almost trew some hits in the first final), or F.Nielsen? Hossa? Draisaitl? Tatar? Vanek? Those are all skilled player first.

Whereas team USA played A LOT physically. Why? They had the players for it. Dubinsky, Abdelkader, Kesler, Backes, Byfuglien, J.Johnson, and others. They were really playing intense and hard on the boards. Some people complain and say that Team Canada isn't really playing hard, etc.. they can play hard if they need to. You saw that when they were challanged by the US. Or when Russia turned the game from 0-1 to 2-1. Canada turned their game on. Or when Doughty crushed Nielsen the other day here when Europe was pushing in the third. But this team is just too good to chase someone on the ice. The other thing is you don't really need to play physically if your opponent isn't playing that way AND on top of that you control the play.

On the other hand, there is this team called North America, who showed plenty of emotions and wasn't scared to play hard.


Here's the US-Canada game in the group stage: look at 1:42:00



no intensity, eh?



and, of course then there is the denial of when some player says something like Zdeno Chara just said here after the First final:

“It doesn’t matter what age you are. I think you have to appreciate the game. If you’re not going to appreciate the game, the game’s not going to be appreciating you so you really have to be taking it with a great appreciation and being humble,” Chara said. “I think everybody no matter who you ask is probably happy to be playing at this level and at this time of whoever’s career it is, or whatever the point is.”


“It has been great. To be honest with you, it really exceeded my expectations as far as how it’s all going to play out, how it’s all going to turn out. I’m really enjoying myself,” Chara said. “I have great passion for this game. I love hockey, I love competing and I love playing against the best. This tournament has been probably the most competitive tournament of all time. We have the best teams, best players at the start of the season where everybody is healthy, nobody is in the playoffs, nobody is really tired from the whole season.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/zdeno-chara-goes-all-in-for-team-europe-at-world-cup-174856956.html
 
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Legendary game, that was unexpected wow..

Feel really bad for Europe, they clearly care. Was cheering for them to win :/
 
World Cup is dead to me. All-star gimmick teams on a national tournament and all that. Beforehand I thought I would care almost like in the old days but I did not at all. Sorry that Team Europe did not win to complete this farse. Don't beat this dead horse no more.
 
Hasn't changed, just seems like a recipe for disaster. Don't need players getting hurt before the season.


Even the celebration when Canada won seemed forced.
 
Team Europe didn't looked that sad. If the players were playing for their country, they'd be crying for sure. This shows that even if they did want to win, because who likes to lose right? Deep down they don't care nearly as much as if they were playing for their country. They did their best but it didn't hurt that much.
 
Nope, only point of watching it was to get a hockey fix before the season starts.

Then we have to deal with another gimmick in the All-Star game ugh..
 
Hasn't changed, just seems like a recipe for disaster. Don't need players getting hurt before the season.


Even the celebration when Canada won seemed forced.

Eh, to be fair, the trophy looks like something that could easily be broken. Like if you turned it over, the whole middle piece would slide out.
 
I still think Team NA was by far the best part of the tourney.
That was the most entertaining team I've seen in a long time.
 
Parts of the tournament were amazing, parts were really boring. I see no problem with them having the tournament again as long as it's not a replacement for the olympics
 
I enjoyed the tournament.

But, they need to play less exhibition games and it needs to end before the NHL pre-season games start.
 
No it hasn't. Probably the most "meh" hockey tournament ever and definitely the most stale best-on-best tournament in the history of the game.
 
I still think Team NA was by far the best part of the tourney.
That was the most entertaining team I've seen in a long time.

That's true. Probably the only positive thing for me in this tournament was that team.

I liked the fact that Team Europe made it this far too. But this whole tournament was really disappointing for a best-on-best tournament.
 
Final #2 was a terrific hockey game!

Something you don't normally expect in September, and is absolutely a nice thing to have. However some people still find a way to be upset about it. They rather watch pre-season camp (you can still do that), and Ryder Cup (you can still do that, too). I will do all three.
 
Final #2 was a terrific hockey game!

Something you don't normally expect in September, and is absolutely a nice thing to have. However some people still find a way to be upset about it. They rather watch pre-season camp (you can still do that), and Ryder Cup (you can still do that, too). I will do all three.

Well there's a few ways to date a girl. You can find one that has a nice combination of looks and personality. Or you just say winter is coming, and take whatever you can find the last week of September.
 
I definitely enjoyed it.

I hope they pull out of the Olympics. I'd rather see the NHL and the NHLPA pocket money than the corrupt IOC and IIHF.
 
What I thought before it began: Tinpot inconsequential tournament with no legitimacy.

What I thought after: Tinpot inconsequential tournament with no legitimacy.

This "World Cup" is comprised of too little countries because the sport was never developed worldwide (that and the high barrier to entry that comes with the sport). That, and I can't take the competition seriously when there are Teams "Europe" and "North America" to make up for the shallow groups. Give me the Olympics, or even the IIHF World Juniors/World Champions ANY day.
 
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hasnt changed. i was all for it from the start.

gimmiky or not...money grab or not...it was good quality hockey at a time of year when there isnt any.

so its all gravy to me.
 

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