Has Connor Bedard quietly became underrated ?

[WarriorofTime]

That's true. Those factors probably offset a bit. But Reichel has significantly outpaced him per minute at 5v5 while making some extremely dynamic plays (1.92 p/60 vs 1.38). Reichel has the 2nd best xGF/60 numbers on the team - he's been hugely improved this year. By the eye test, he's been a better 5v5 player through their first 28 games this year IMO.

@Kevin Musto

 

[Crow]

That's true. Those factors probably offset a bit. But Reichel has significantly outpaced him per minute at 5v5 while making some extremely dynamic plays (1.92 p/60 vs 1.38). Reichel has the 2nd best xGF/60 numbers on the team - he's been hugely improved this year. By the eye test, he's been a better 5v5 player through their first 28 games this year IMO.

Didn't they win that game though?

He's been Bedard's 3rd most common forward linemate this year...

I don’t agree at all about the eye test. I have been happy with Reichels game. He is pretty good at flying up the ice with the puck and stopping to make some space then dish it off to one of those guys who can’t keep up, or rushing the net. He’s no where close to Bedard though.

The point had nothing to do with winning or losing the game. It had to do with the stark difference in competition.

That’s hard to believe he is that common of a line mate. I’ve seen pretty much every game and they barely play together. How many minutes have they played together? It’s probably more that he barely plays with anyone consistently.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I don’t agree at all about the eye test. I have been happy with Reichels game. He is pretty good at flying up the ice with the puck and stopping to make some space then dish it off to one of those guys who can’t keep up, or rushing the net. He’s no where close to Bedard though.

Cool, agree to disagree. A confident Bedard is very obviously going to outplay Reichel, but Bedard has been really frustrated for much of this year. Meanwhile Reichel has looked extremely confident.

That’s hard to believe he is that common of a line mate. I’ve seen pretty much every game and they barely play together. How many minutes have they played together? It’s probably more that he barely plays with anyone consistently.

Yeah he's been through the mixer for sure. I'm hopping on the ice to coach, but the exact numbers are on natural stat trick.

 

[Crow]

Cool, agree to disagree. A confident Bedard is very obviously going to outplay Reichel, but Bedard has been really frustrated for much of this year. Meanwhile Reichel has looked extremely confident.

Yeah he's been through the mixer for sure. I'm hopping on the ice to coach, but the exact numbers are on natural stat trick.

I think there’s a bit of bias to your post, maybe depending on what games you’ve seen, because Reichel also had a lot of time this year where he played without any confidence. He did have a good stretch which I think started in mid to late November, but before that he looked like an AHLer. Bedard on the other hand has never looked like he didn’t belong.

 

[WarriorofTime]

4th line is good but largely going up against other 4th lines. It's good that Reichel is contributing in his role since a year ago he didn't look like an NHL player at all. So Smith/Reichel/Maroon have relatively nice points per 60, but probably wouldn't if all of a sudden they were the new top line and playing top line minutes, etc.

Reichel is 101 / 371 amongst forwards and Bedard is 159 / 371 in 5 on 5 assists per 60 (min 18 GP to sort out riff raff)

Reichel is 105 / 371 amongst forwards while Bedard is 229 / 371 in 5 on 5 points per 60 because Bedard isn't scoring many goals 5 on 5 right now.

However, Bedard remains a Top 21 Forward in the NHL Powerplay Per 60 producer, which is way better than any other Hawk and a big part of the Hawks being 11/32 in powerplay production this year. So there's still some positives to take away.

 

[Bombshell11]

I looked at the 1st goal of the Oilers, on the PP. McDavid did everything, passed the puck, skated like a gazelle.

On Bedard's PP goal, i saw a much smaller player, who could barely skate, almost fumbled the puck in the middle, scored a nice goal.

Bedard has no generational potential, its clear. At best he'll become a one dimensional elite shooter.. but its clear he's lacking too many things to be anything more.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I looked at the 1st goal of the Oilers, on the PP. McDavid did everything, passed the puck, skated like a gazelle.

On Bedard's PP goal, i saw a much smaller player, who could barely skate, almost fumbled the puck in the middle, scored a nice goal.

Bedard has no generational potential, its clear. At best he'll become a one dimensional elite shooter.. but its clear he's lacking too many things to be anything more.

Bedard is a tremendous playmaker as well, you're selling him short.

Obviously not a generational talent, but he's still an incredibly talented offensive weapon.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

That's true. Those factors probably offset a bit. But Reichel has significantly outpaced him per minute at 5v5 while making some extremely dynamic plays (1.92 p/60 vs 1.38). Reichel has the 2nd best xGF/60 numbers on the team - he's been hugely improved this year. By the eye test, he's been a better 5v5 player through their first 28 games this year IMO.

Didn't they win that game though?

He's been Bedard's 3rd most common forward linemate this year...

They did win that game, but Bedard was playing wing.

 

[Bombshell11]

Bedard is a tremendous playmaker as well, you're selling him short.

Obviously not a generational talent, but he's still an incredibly talented offensive weapon.

Please just watch his goal tonight and compare it with McDavid's work on the oilers goal.

Its literally day and night

Bedard is not "tremendous" playmaker, please stop with this non sense

 

[Mrfenn92]

lol this thread

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Please just watch his goal tonight and compare it with McDavid's work on the oilers goal.

Its literally day and night

Bedard and McDavid are not comparable.

Bedard is not "tremendous" playmaker, please stop with this non sense

Yes he is. He's much more than just a goal scorer. The guy sees the ice at an elite level.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Please just watch his goal tonight and compare it with McDavid's work on the oilers goal.

Its literally day and night

Now we're comparing highlights? lol

 

[Bombshell11]

Bedard and McDavid are not comparable.

Yes he is. He's much more than just a goal scorer. The guy sees the ice at an elite level.

Have you seen him lately?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Have you seen him lately?

Yes

 

[Bombshell11]

Yes

Is he better than Celebrini?

 

[CallMeShaft]

I looked at the 1st goal of the Oilers, on the PP. McDavid did everything, passed the puck, skated like a gazelle.

On Bedard's PP goal, i saw a much smaller player, who could barely skate, almost fumbled the puck in the middle, scored a nice goal.

Bedard has no generational potential, its clear. At best he'll become a one dimensional elite shooter.. but its clear he's lacking too many things to be anything more.

You're comparing a top 5 player all time in his prime to a 19yo who is coming out of a sophomore slump.

No, Bedard will not be as good as McDavid. That does not mean he'll only be a "one dimensional elite shooter". That's just an incredibly dimwitted take.

 

[Bombshell11]

You're comparing a top 5 player all time in his prime to a 19yo who is coming out of a sophomore slump.

No, Bedard will not be as good as McDavid. That does not mean he'll only be a "one dimensional elite shooter". That's just an incredibly dimwitted take.

The only thing dimwitted here is your attitude in this forum.

As for Bedard, he does not have the tools to be the guy you hope he becomes one day, you better hope he focuses on becoming a one dimensional elite shooter because thats the only thing he's elite at and its not a bad thing, every player has his strenghs and weaknesses. He's an ok passer but he's uncapable of controlling the pace of the game for too long when he's got the puck. Im not saying he wont be getting assists but it will be more beneficial for him to improve his shooting % and be a goal scorer first.

 

[ORRFForever]

The only thing dimwitted here is your attitude in this forum.

As for Bedard, he does not have the tools to be the guy you hope he becomes one day, you better hope he focuses on becoming a one dimensional elite shooter because thats the only thing he's elite at and its not a bad thing, every player has his strenghs and weaknesses. He's an ok passer but he's uncapable of controlling the pace of the game for too long when he's got the puck. Im not saying he wont be getting assists but it will be more beneficial for him to improve his shooting % and be a goal scorer first.

He's 19 and he's on the worst team in the NHL.

 

[Fraser28]

Is he better than Celebrini?

Tough call.

Have you seen him lately?

You mean like tonight when he got 3 points?

 

[Bombshell11]

Tough call.

Not at all, Celebrini is a much better player

You mean like tonight when he got 3 points?

Not all pts are equal, they might be worth the same

 

[WarriorofTime]

Bedard is really starting to run away with the team point lead.

Bedard - 24
Donato - 16
Vlasic - 14
Hall - 13
Teravainen - 13
Bertuzzi - 13

The forward with the 2nd most assists on the team is Pat Maroon believe it or not. If a multiple 110+ point guy in David Pastrnak is going to struggle playing in an offensive blackhole of support (28 pts in 30 games, yes injured at IIHF etc.) it's not overly surprising a 19 year old still finding his way in the League would in one as well.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I looked at the 1st goal of the Oilers, on the PP. McDavid did everything, passed the puck, skated like a gazelle.

On Bedard's PP goal, i saw a much smaller player, who could barely skate, almost fumbled the puck in the middle, scored a nice goal.

Bedard has no generational potential, its clear. At best he'll become a one dimensional elite shooter.. but its clear he's lacking too many things to be anything more.

McDavid is on pace to be a top 5 player ever. Bedard is a great young player but comparing just about anyone to McDavid is an unfair comp.

 

[ORRFForever]

Bedard is really starting to run away with the team point lead.

Bedard - 24
Donato - 16
Vlasic - 14
Hall - 13
Teravainen - 13
Bertuzzi - 13

The forward with the 2nd most assists on the team is Pat Maroon believe it or not. If a multiple 110+ point guy in David Pastrnak is going to struggle playing in an offensive blackhole of support (28 pts in 30 games, yes injured at IIHF etc.) it's not overly surprising a 19 year old still finding his way in the League would in one as well.

Exactly. He is playing on a flippin AHL team. What do people expect?

 

[Bombshell11]

He's 19 and he's on the worst team in the NHL.

If we stopped looking at pts and solely focus on how these players play the game, everything else would be irrelevant

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Exactly. He is playing on a flippin AHL team. What do people expect?

And he's known as a sniper, how much service has he been getting?