Hart Trophy Tournament (1969-00) Round 1: 1988 Mario Lemieux vs 1989 Wayne Gretzky

[blundluntman]

MATCHUP #14 (Round 1): Mario Lemieux (1988) vs Wayne Gretzky (1989)

Mario Lemieux (1987-88):
77 Games Played 70 Goals 98 Assists 168 Points | 1st in Points, 2nd in Assists, 1st in Goals, Art Ross, Pearson/Lindsay, 1st AST

Wayne Gretzky (1988-89):
78 Games Played 54 Goals 114 Assists 168 Points | 2nd in Points, 1st in Assists, 4th in Goals, 2nd AST

Round 1 Matchups:
69 Esposito vs 99 Jagr Thread
70 Orr vs 72 Orr Thread
71 Orr vs 00 Pronger Thread
73 Clarke vs 82 Gretzky Thread
74 Esposito vs 91 Hull Thread
75 Clarke vs 98 Hasek Thread
76 Clarke vs 90 Messier Thread
77 Lafleur vs 80 Gretzky (Still Active) Thread
78 Lafleur vs 93 Lemieux Thread
79 Trottier vs 94 Fedorov Thread
81 Gretzky vs 87 Gretzky Thread
83 Gretzky vs 86 Gretzky Thread
84 Gretzky vs 85 Gretzky Thread
88 Lemieux vs 89 Gretzky
92 Messier vs 95 Lindros
96 Lemieux vs 97 Hasek

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[Albatros]

Lemieux, should have won in 1989 as well.

 

[Video Nasty]

Gretzky was more impactful. His arrival turned the Kings around from the fourth worst record in the league and a minus 41 goal differential to the fourth best record in the league with a positive 41 goal differential.

I noticed some of the Lemieux voters are not consistent. They would be normally cry foul if someone won the Hart while missing the playoffs, as Lemieux did in 1987-1988.

 

[DitchMarner]

Gretzky was more impactful. His arrival turned the Kings around from the fourth worst record in the league and a minus 41 goal differential to the fourth best record in the league with a positive 41 goal differential.

I noticed some of the Lemieux voters are not consistent. They would be normally cry foul if someone won the Hart while missing the playoffs, as Lemieux did in 1987-1988.

Sometimes I get the impression that some posters just pick whatever argument they can think of to support a player they like instead of assessing players or situations consistently.

Based on thought patterns they've displayed previously, sometimes you expect a certain poster to support a particular player in a comparison, but then they do the opposite.

 

[Video Nasty]

Sometimes I get the impression that some posters just pick whatever argument they can think of to support a player they like instead of assessing players or situations consistently.

Based on thought patterns they've displayed previously, sometimes you expect a certain poster to support a particular player in a comparison, but then they do the opposite.

“You talkin’ to me, Sheriff?”

 

[Regal]

Gretzky was more impactful. His arrival turned the Kings around from the fourth worst record in the league and a minus 41 goal differential to the fourth best record in the league with a positive 41 goal differential.

I noticed some of the Lemieux voters are not consistent. They would be normally cry foul if someone won the Hart while missing the playoffs, as Lemieux did in 1987-1988.

From what I’ve seen people have been voting for best season, not most valuable.

 

[DitchMarner]

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“You talkin’ to me, Sheriff?”

No... it's just a general observation.

 

[Voight]

Sometimes I get the impression that some posters just pick whatever argument they can think of to support a player they like instead of assessing players or situations consistently.

Based on thought patterns they've displayed previously, sometimes you expect a certain poster to support a particular player in a comparison, but then they do the opposite.

HFB in a nutshell.

 

[Golden_Jet]

From what I’ve seen people have been voting for best season, not most valuable.

Well if going by hart definition, then it’s most valuable to his team, not most valuable.

 

[blundluntman]

Well if going by hart definition, then it’s most valuable to his team, not most valuable.

Just to clarify, this series is about which player (who won the Hart Trophy) had the better season. The Hart Trophy is simply the demographic for the tournament, the standards for the trophy itself (such as value to one's team) aren't part of the voting criteria.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

70 goals vs 54.

 

[bobholly39]

HFB in a nutshell.

Funny coming from you.

Please explain to us why you voted Claude Lemieux's conn smythe above Mario Lemieux's 1992 conn smythe last tournament.

 

[JackSlater]

Lemieux. By that point Gretzky was more about taking what the other team gave him, and making them pay, while Lemieux was much more likely to go out and make things happen on his own. Gretzky also had more talent to play with that year than Lemieux did the year before.