Value of: Hamonic+Barzal+other piece
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sebsisles
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This was my point, i was arguing that this package would get much more than RNH. Thats why i want to see what other teams would offer for this package. I am in no way saying the isles would ever make that trade, quite the contrary
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Hamonic isn't going any where he rescinded his trade request, Not sure why these Hamonic trade proposals keep coming up i don't see Snow moving him now period.
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sebsisles
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As an Isles fan I would not trade Hamonic for RNH. Note, I'm not talking purely about value or saying Edmonton should do this either.
RNH has not proven that he can produce enough in a #2 center role to justify his price. Taking on that cost PLUS giving up a bargain deal in Hamonic would crush the Isles. They simply would not have the means to obtain a replacement for Hamonic, either by trade or signing.
So, basically the Isles would end up with a solid 2-way center behind Tavares, but not greatly increase their secondary scoring. At the same time, their top-4 defense would be in tatters.
I see RNH at this point as a luxury the Isles, with a couple of bad contracts, can't afford. They cannot pay $6M for a forward who does not put up points, period.
This would be the Isles next year...
Beauvillier-JT-Bailey
Ladd-RNH-Nelson
Lee-Barzal-Prince
Kulemin-Cizikas-Chimera
Leddy-???
Boychuk-de Haan
Hickey-Pulock
Halak
????
Now, with this team, they would have about $6M under the cap. The backup goalie, extra skaters would take up at least $3M, leaving them with $3M to sign a top-4 defenseman. And if they did that, they still don't have enough scoring.
Not saying Hamonic is better than RNH, but with his contract and role he is more important to the Islanders at this point.
RNH has not proven that he can produce enough in a #2 center role to justify his price. Taking on that cost PLUS giving up a bargain deal in Hamonic would crush the Isles. They simply would not have the means to obtain a replacement for Hamonic, either by trade or signing.
So, basically the Isles would end up with a solid 2-way center behind Tavares, but not greatly increase their secondary scoring. At the same time, their top-4 defense would be in tatters.
I see RNH at this point as a luxury the Isles, with a couple of bad contracts, can't afford. They cannot pay $6M for a forward who does not put up points, period.
This would be the Isles next year...
Beauvillier-JT-Bailey
Ladd-RNH-Nelson
Lee-Barzal-Prince
Kulemin-Cizikas-Chimera
Leddy-???
Boychuk-de Haan
Hickey-Pulock
Halak
????
Now, with this team, they would have about $6M under the cap. The backup goalie, extra skaters would take up at least $3M, leaving them with $3M to sign a top-4 defenseman. And if they did that, they still don't have enough scoring.
Not saying Hamonic is better than RNH, but with his contract and role he is more important to the Islanders at this point.
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Konk
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Of course they did. Quite a few were delusional about the return Hall would fetch as well. What do you expect?
t0nedeff
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Give me a break. Why don't you pump your breaks and realize every fanbase has a few fans that make dumb posts like the one the op is alluding to. Don't gotta come in here with some sort of agenda bringing up a situation where we bit the value bullet on Hall because we desperately needed a top 4 right handed D. If we had gotten Larsson through some other means Hall would never have been on the table and definitely not for Hamonic.
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Harmonic + Barzal + additional piece(s) is a package that should be bringing a 60 point player to the isles
Roof Daddy
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I don't think Nuge has anywhere near that value, but the question remains, who would pay the price they perceive the package to be worth? It's fine if you believe Hamonic + Barzal + ??? is worth Kucherov, but why would Tampa do that? No team would look to trade a near superstar player for a bunch of solid/good pieces unless there are extenuating circumstances (trade request, inflated contract, etc.).
Basically, the guy they'd want isn't available anyway. Then it becomes best available player for that package. Chances are this isn't going to be a player appealing enough, which is how we end up with Nuge in the conversation. Nuge for Hamonic is probably fair, but why do the Oil do it? Fact of the matter is, the Isles are at an extreme disadvantage in any deal because of where they are in the standings and the time left to convince JT it's worth sticking around. Every team will try and leverage the Isles to sweeten the pot.
Basically, the guy they'd want isn't available anyway. Then it becomes best available player for that package. Chances are this isn't going to be a player appealing enough, which is how we end up with Nuge in the conversation. Nuge for Hamonic is probably fair, but why do the Oil do it? Fact of the matter is, the Isles are at an extreme disadvantage in any deal because of where they are in the standings and the time left to convince JT it's worth sticking around. Every team will try and leverage the Isles to sweeten the pot.
Alberta_OReilly_Fan
Bruin fan since 1975
45-50 point small centers being paid 6 mill are far less valuable in a trade than first overall draft picks are.
If rnh has a 70 point season in the next couple years he might be worth this but today his value Is very limited.
As for hamonic and barzal... one is shiney and new... the other is on a good contract... I'd hope my bruins would give up krecji and maybe someone like morrow or Colin Miller if the trade was offered.
Krecji is playoff proven... a 65 point guy... imho with a lot more than hopkins
SI90
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I don't know if I would do Hamonic and Barzal but I would love Krecji on the isles. Also, I'm
Not sure how high BOS is on Barzal. They passed on him 3 times in the draft. Possible the players they picked were just rated ahead of him on their lists but they still didn't draft him.
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