Halak vs Price

[Dallas Winston]

When you get halak on his best day he is literally a brick wall

 

[Corax]

He's in the top tier of goalies in the last few years behind Price and Lundqvist?

He's hit .920 ONCE in the last 3 years, Lundqvist hasn't been below .920 this decade. Price hasn't been below .925 in the last 3 years combined, although he only played 12 games last year.

If there's a tier under Price and Lundqvist, Halak probably belongs in the tier after that. No way you can convince me that Halak is better than Schneider, Holtby, Bishop, Crawford, Rask, Luongo. There's also maybe 4-5 other goaltenders I'd definitely take over him. If he's an ''Excellent talent'' so are almost half of the NHL's starting goaltenders. Even almost half the Islanders fans were hoping this guy went away and disappeared this offseason, which I also do not agree with, as Greiss has been an average at best career backup with the exception of last season. I'm still laughing at how Arthur Staple tweeted out that he believes he's played his last game with the Islanders, last Spring when he was injured. I'm still not sure where he thought he'd go.

yea, imagine that some have Marty Brodeur as elite goalie with his medicore save % and playing whole life on a trap team.

 

[Elvs]

Halak's game has always involved high mountains and deep valleys. He's plenty talented, but he's inconsistent. And when he's not on top of his game his lack of size leaves him vulnerable.

 

[Corax]

Halak's game has always involved high mountains and deep valleys. He's plenty talented, but he's inconsistent. And when he's not on top of his game his lack of size leaves him vulnerable.

fair enough. but this is true about Henrik as well, at least last 2 seasons. Luongo has been always like that as well.

what I am trying to say is that consistency on high level is difficult and if your team is playing good, you are forgiven and mistakes forgotten as log as you later steel few games. If the team sucks, it the goalie that suffers the consequences.

 

[Burke the Legend]

Halak had some bad years in St. Louis but when he's on his game he is as good as anyone in that top tier.

 

[Rebels57]

Carey Price (career)
(reg) 2.43 GAA, .920 SV%
(playoff) 2.62 GAA, .912 SV%

Jaroslav Halak (career)
(reg) 2.38 GAA, .917 SV%
(playoff) 2.39 GAA, .924 SV%

Jaroslav Halak is most definitely an "excellent talent" and if he wouldn't have so many injury problems, he'd be thought of as one of the best in the world.

Halak is definitely in the top tier of goalies in the past few years after Carey Price and Henrik Lundqvist.

Lmao no he most certainly is not.

 

[capebretoncanadien]

This will be fun to see.

Halak when he is feeling it is amazing there's a soft spot for him in my heart forever after the miracles he orchestrated in 2010.

 

[Bleedred]

yea, imagine that some have Marty Brodeur as elite goalie with his medicore save % and playing whole life on a trap team.

Don't even gimme that crap.

Brodeur's mediocre career save percentage comes from the era he played in.

Outside of his last 4 seasons (and his handful of starts with the Blues) which were below average to dreadful, he played in seasons were save percentages were much lower than these days. Brodeur having a career save percentage of .912 is not the same as a goalie that played in the last 10 years having that for a career save percentage.

Even Patrick Roy has a .910 career save percentage. In fact, his save percentage from 85-95 with Montreal was .904, while his save percentage on Colorado (96-03) was .918 over that span. So are we to believe that Roy got much better when he started playing in Colorado? Or that Roy is not as good as Halak?

Ed Belfour has a .906 career save percentage, Curtis Joseph has a .906, these guys were all considered the elite goaltenders in the league in the 90's and even into the early 00's, yet their career save percentages don't match up to any of the pretty good goaltenders of today. Mike Richter had a .904 for his career, Vabiesbrouck had an .899, Ron Hextall had a career .895 for a save percentage. Those last 3 guys were considered some of the best in the early to mid 90's. Looking at era is key. Hasek is the only goaltender that played pretty much the entire 90's and has a career .922 save percentage. If you don't think era's have something to do with it, Patrick Roy wouldn't even be considered elite, which is flat out wrong.

And who cares if it's a trapping team? Montreal was called a trapping team a few years ago with Price, some people still call it a trapping team (I absolutely do not). I don't believe defensive systems make a goalie benefit in their save percentage. In GAA? Sure, maybe Brodeur racked up quite a few shutouts when facing 20 or fewer shots? Fair enough.

 

[Bleedred]

Halak had some bad years in St. Louis but when he's on his game he is as good as anyone in that top tier.

To defend Halak for a minute, I think the Blues could have started him in the 2014 playoffs and there's no way I would have believed he would have been worse than frickin Ryan Miller was. And they wouldn't have had to give up a 1st round pick for him either.

Miller was one of the Hawks best players that series. I think if Halak played better than that, he could have took them to game 7. Not saying they would have won the series, but the goaltending would have been much better.

I still remember Miller giving up a mind numbingly soft goal in a game that the Hawks won 1-0. It was the only goal he allowed but it was brutal. Usually, I wouldn't blame a goalie when the team can't score one goal or if he only allows one goal. But that one was a joke.

 

[Never]

Lol. There is no "Halak vs Price" anymore.

 

[Bleedred]

Lol. There is no "Halak vs Price" anymore.

Believe it or not, my friend was on a forum where a disillusioned Habs fan was mad that the Canadiens ''Rewarded'' Halak by trading him and choosing Price over him. And acted as if he should have been rewarded by being kept and Price should have been the one shipped out. All because of one measly playoff run, where the guy has not done anything of note in the NHL playoffs ever since. Not that it's necessarily his fault that he was traded for a goaltender that was probably not even as good as him (Miller) and he played fine for the Islanders in the one round in 2014. He certainly didn't do anything that was costly in that playoff series, from what I remember. Had a pretty good save percentage and I don't remember many visual blunders either. But this poster really thought Halak should have been kept and even implied that Price was a choker and has yet to come up big. I actually had to read this post to believe it, because I thought it was so absurd.

But I do think it will be funny if Europe wins, since there will be at least one or two clowns somewhere (even if it's not on this board) that ask if Habs management made the right choice over 6 years ago now, because Halak outplayed Price over a 2 or 3 game stretch.

I'm surprised I haven't seen any ''Halak is better than Lundqvist'' posts just because of the semifinals game.

 

[Seanaconda]

Don't even gimme that crap.

Brodeur's mediocre career save percentage comes from the era he played in.

Outside of his last 4 seasons (and his handful of starts with the Blues) which were below average to dreadful, he played in seasons were save percentages were much lower than these days. Brodeur having a career save percentage of .912 is not the same as a goalie that played in the last 10 years having that for a career save percentage.

Even Patrick Roy has a .910 career save percentage. In fact, his save percentage from 85-95 with Montreal was .904, while his save percentage on Colorado (96-03) was .918 over that span. So are we to believe that Roy got much better when he started playing in Colorado? Or that Roy is not as good as Halak?

Ed Belfour has a .906 career save percentage, Curtis Joseph has a .906, these guys were all considered the elite goaltenders in the league in the 90's and even into the early 00's, yet their career save percentages don't match up to any of the pretty good goaltenders of today. Mike Richter had a .904 for his career, Vabiesbrouck had an .899, Ron Hextall had a career .895 for a save percentage. Those last 3 guys were considered some of the best in the early to mid 90's. Looking at era is key. Hasek is the only goaltender that played pretty much the entire 90's and has a career .922 save percentage. If you don't think era's have something to do with it, Patrick Roy wouldn't even be considered elite, which is flat out wrong.

And who cares if it's a trapping team? Montreal was called a trapping team a few years ago with Price, some people still call it a trapping team (I absolutely do not). I don't believe defensive systems make a goalie benefit in their save percentage. In GAA? Sure, maybe Brodeur racked up quite a few shutouts when facing 20 or fewer shots? Fair enough.

Trapping teams probably prevent more high quality scoring chances which would make it easier to get a higher save percentage and goals against average. Wins well that's cuz he was on a great team. And you answered shutouts.

But he was the perfect goalie for a trap team with how good he was at playing the puck so they benefited eachother