CBC Hot Stove: Habs looking for top 4 D

[Prairie Habs]

No, Lindholm would cost much more than Pacioretty. Fowler we're talking Pacioretty or Galchenyuk or there simply isn't a deal to be made. He's played on the top pairing of a division champ for 4 years, and he's still getting better as evidenced by his play this season. He's not getting traded for a spooner or tatar. Those were nonsense rumors created by nonsense fans.

In light of this, Habs say NAW... And why wouldn't they? They don't need to make large sacrifices to add top-4 defenders. They're 8-0-1 and they look fantastic.

Everyone wants top D, no one wants to pay for it. Except Edmonton.. working out quite well for them I'd say.

 

[Jack de la Hoya]

If the Flyers continue to struggle, Del zotto?

Edit: of course, part of the reason for their struggles has been his absence through injury.

 

[TT1]

No, Lindholm would cost much more than Pacioretty. Fowler we're talking Pacioretty or Galchenyuk or there simply isn't a deal to be made. He's played on the top pairing of a division champ for 4 years, and he's still getting better as evidenced by his play this season. He's not getting traded for a spooner or tatar. Those were nonsense rumors created by nonsense fans.

In light of this, Habs say NAW... And why wouldn't they? They don't need to make large sacrifices to add top-4 defenders. They're 8-0-1 and they look fantastic.

Everyone wants top D, no one wants to pay for it. Except Edmonton.. working out quite well for them I'd say.

This is what Anaheim fans claim, Buffalo and Montreal didnt trade their 1st's for him at the draft tho.

 

[NotYou]

Scandella has not been good to start the year in Minnesota,but the Wild have to trade somebody on defense or they will lose someone for free to Las Vegas in the expansion draft on June 21st.

And if we trade a dman we lose another (if only protecting 3) or lose a valuable forward (if we protect 4 dmen). So any trade world have to be based around an exempt player at the very least, making the list of potential fits really short.

 

[member 256847]

And if we trade a dman we lose another (if only protecting 3) or lose a valuable forward (if we protect 4 dmen). So any trade world have to be based around an exempt player at the very least, making the list of potential fits really short.

What about a 1st and McCarron for Scandella? I'm thinking the Habs are at that point where they'll be ready to sacrifice a bit of their future to patch their remaining holes.

 

[Pierre Lebrun]

I honestly could see Mark Streit as a late season cheap rental for the Habs playoff push. He's one season removed from 50+ pts, still some puck moving / offense there. Not the ideal Fowler type move, but a much cheaper one.

 

[Jack de la Hoya]

I honestly could see Mark Streit as a late season cheap rental for the Habs playoff push. He's one season removed from 50+ pts, still some puck moving / offense there. Not the ideal Fowler type move, but a much cheaper one.

Streit will need tnot significantly improve his play. He's had a tough start to the year--and has been bailed out more than once by his 19-year old partner.

 

[Exit Dose]

This is what Anaheim fans claim, Buffalo and Montreal didnt trade their 1st's for him at the draft tho.

And Anaheim didn't trade him for less after the draft. To be fair, I don't expect either of those players to be dealt for Fowler, but Fowler is also not on the market, so maybe we should just spare the thread a needless pissing contest.

 

[go4hockey]

If we are trading for a top 4 D we might as well trade Beauleu to get him as we won't be able to protect Beau in the expansion draft anymore (assuming the new guy isn't a rental).

Roll with:

new guy - Weber
Markov - Petry
Emelin - Pateryn

for the rest of the season. Protect new guy + Weber + Petry. Either re-sign Markov for much cheaper and trade Emelin to a team looking to replace a guy the lost to LV or let Markov walk and keep Emelin. Either way bring in Serg next year to replace whoever left.

Beaulieu + for Fowler may be a decent baseline for the Ducks as Beau is on a really cap friendly deal this year and he is still a promising young D, he's just not ready for prime time with Weber (if he'll ever be ready).

Even if the Ducks decide to move Fowler the return sure as hell would not be a lesser defenseman. You better have some young good forward to offer up for him. But the Ducks have basically said they are not looking to move their defensemen at this time.

 

[go4hockey]

both worth more than Fowler. Remember, one hot streak doesnt represent the player.

The guy has played top pairing most of his career yet everyone here seems to act like he is junk. Moot point as the Ducks won't be moving him and his best hockey was with their current coach. It's not a hot streak he is a very good defenseman.

 

[kyne]

I think the issue is Therrien is overplaying Markov and there is a fear the latter might have nothing left in the tank by season's end as was the case last year. Bergevin basically needs someone to eat up more minutes on the left side. Emelin is having a good year so far but he has considerable difficulty with skilled fast moving forwards. Beaulieu is still learning and still makes a lot of mental mistakes.

I don't think the team is looking for an elite defender or an offensive defenseman. They have a potential one in Sergachev. Rather, I suspect they would prefer a workhorse that's not flashy but can play 20 minutes a game. Another Petry in other words but one that can play the left side. They don't grow on trees so it's a matter of wait and see especially this early in the season. Furthermore, Markov right now is playing big minutes so there is no rush.

My two cents

 

[go4hockey]

This is what Anaheim fans claim, Buffalo and Montreal didnt trade their 1st's for him at the draft tho.

And Ana is very happy with how it worked out.

 

[tony d]

Could be Trouba probably if he wasn't vs. going to another Canadian team.

 

[TT1]

I honestly could see Mark Streit as a late season cheap rental for the Habs playoff push. He's one season removed from 50+ pts, still some puck moving / offense there. Not the ideal Fowler type move, but a much cheaper one.

We need a mobile defensive D, why trade for Streit when we can just pair Beaulieu with Weber? Streit would get lit up if he played with Weber, he gets hard minutes.

 

[madhi19]

The Habs don't have the cap to just trade a prospect and a pick, and they don't want to touch their roster. Off course it highly suspicious that Emelin is getting top line minutes. Pateryn is doing well enough that it really tempting to dump Emelin money. Money will have to go the other way or it a trade deadline deal.

 

[TT1]

The Habs don't have the cap to just trade a prospect and a pick, and they don't want to touch their roster. Off course it highly suspicious that Emelin is getting top line minutes. Pateryn is doing well enough that it really tempting to dump Emelin money. Money will have to go the other way or it a trade deadline deal.

Emelin is a LHD and Pateryn is a RHD.

 

[Positive Vibes]

This is a move thats more than likely going to be made sooner rather than later, its ideal that they get the D-Man they want as early as possible so he can get use to the habs play and be comfortable. Once Sergachev is sent down it wont be long after that they make the move to bolster the D,Need somebody who can play a good amount of minutes so markov doesnt have to and to make sure he isnt wore out by the late season into the playoffs.

 

[madhi19]

Emelin is a LHD and Pateryn is a RHD.

It the same style of play and Pateryn being trusted more and more mean they might think of moving Emelin to slot in Sergachev. With Markov on his way out of the top 4, they need to either fast track Sergachev or find another top 4 LHD, probably both.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Could be Trouba probably if he wasn't vs. going to another Canadian team.

Trouba to Montreal would make zero sense, Unless MB was to trade Petry and his NMC and that's not happening. Seeing that both Weber and Petry are RD where are you going to slot Trouba.

 

[Sojourn]

And Anaheim didn't trade him for less after the draft. To be fair, I don't expect either of those players to be dealt for Fowler, but Fowler is also not on the market, so maybe we should just spare the thread a needless pissing contest.

And Ana is very happy with how it worked out.

I feel like both of these points get overlooked. People suggested that Anaheim would have to sell low on Fowler. Anaheim refused to do so.

I'm not going to go so far as to conclusively say Anaheim made the right choice, but I do think that's the case. They are in a position now to either keep Fowler and be a better team for it, or to buy more time to get the right deal for him. And be a better team for it. Either way, I think that's a win.

 

[biturbo19]

Elder would be a strong option for MTL.

It makes quite a bit of sense. Edler is pretty much exactly what it sounds like the Habs would ideally be after. He'd be a great fit alongside Weber eating tough shutdown minutes. Very reasonable $5M contract with some years left on it, so he's not just a "rental".


The problems i see are:

1)Salary Cap.

-Wouldn't be easy to make that work. Closer to the deadline, you could probably shoehorn that in there by sending a little bit of salary like Beaulieu back, but if part of the idea is to get it done sooner than that to help keep Markov fresh...that doesn't work.
-So there would have to be some sort of cap dump coming back to Vancouver. Canucks really don't have room for another physical defensive D like Emelin though. Would have to be a very attractive package in addition to that if he's the dump - and Habs may even want to keep him for added depth : dunno:.
-Canucks have no need for Desharnais either...and as much as Habs fans seem to want him gone, i can't imagine they'd want to give him up without some sort of replacement, as they're not excessively deep at forward and he's obviously a guy Therrien likes.


2)Convincing Benning to move Edler.

-This one may resolve itself if the Canucks current slide largely continues through the upcoming road-trip and if the Canucks are out of a playoff spot and continuing to trend the wrong direction by US Thanksgiving/Christmas.
-If the Canucks are still somehow in a playoff spot though, don't expect any important Canucks roster players to be moved.


3)Edler's NTC.

-In the past, it's been rumoured that Edler has no interest in waiving his NTC to leave Vancouver. If he doesn't want to move, he's not moving...so that would hit the brakes on any Edler to Montreal deal, obviously.
-If it reaches the point where item #2 resolves itself though, Edler may be a lot more open to moving. Especially to a team that looks like a real contender like the Habs. Hard to say though.



The Habs also have plenty of pieces that would be attractive to the Canucks. Beaulieu/Sergachev/Juulsen/Hudon/1st round pick would all be of varying degrees of interest to the Canucks. And unlike some other teams (ie. MIN, ANA), if the Canucks are trading Edler...it'll be because they're completely out of it and can afford to take basically just a futures package back.

It'd probably end up being a complicated deal to make though with all those factors.

 

[Legend123]

I don't see anything intriguing from mtl that's a realistic return for brodin. Not a knock on mtl. Couple of reasons for that. First, he's looking better under boudreu and stevens (small sample granted). Most wild fans felt he was holding back or being held back under yeo. He's a skilled and smart player so we're hopeful he can make some strides from good to great. Second we're still in a tough spot for expansion if we trade him. We'll have to expose a good dman or only protect 4 forwards. So the forward coming back would have to be a great fit for it to make sense

Brodin would have no future with montreal anyways and is not a
top pairing Dman nor an upgrade over Emelin/Markov/Beaulieu for this season. Plus, he doesnt have the offensive skills to complement Weber.

 

[bossram]

Canucks are going to be absolutely terrible and need to rebuild. I'd definitely look at dealing Edler at this point.

 

[Legend123]

It makes quite a bit of sense. Edler is pretty much exactly what it sounds like the Habs would ideally be after. He'd be a great fit alongside Weber eating tough shutdown minutes. Very reasonable $5M contract with some years left on it, so he's not just a "rental".


The problems i see are:

1)Salary Cap.

-Wouldn't be easy to make that work. Closer to the deadline, you could probably shoehorn that in there by sending a little bit of salary like Beaulieu back, but if part of the idea is to get it done sooner than that to help keep Markov fresh...that doesn't work.
-So there would have to be some sort of cap dump coming back to Vancouver. Canucks really don't have room for another physical defensive D like Emelin though. Would have to be a very attractive package in addition to that if he's the dump - and Habs may even want to keep him for added depth : dunno:.
-Canucks have no need for Desharnais either...and as much as Habs fans seem to want him gone, i can't imagine they'd want to give him up without some sort of replacement, as they're not excessively deep at forward and he's obviously a guy Therrien likes.


2)Convincing Benning to move Edler.

-This one may resolve itself if the Canucks current slide largely continues through the upcoming road-trip and if the Canucks are out of a playoff spot and continuing to trend the wrong direction by US Thanksgiving/Christmas.
-If the Canucks are still somehow in a playoff spot though, don't expect any important Canucks roster players to be moved.


3)Edler's NTC.

-In the past, it's been rumoured that Edler has no interest in waiving his NTC to leave Vancouver. If he doesn't want to move, he's not moving...so that would hit the brakes on any Edler to Montreal deal, obviously.
-If it reaches the point where item #2 resolves itself though, Edler may be a lot more open to moving. Especially to a team that looks like a real contender like the Habs. Hard to say though.



The Habs also have plenty of pieces that would be attractive to the Canucks. Beaulieu/Sergachev/Juulsen/Hudon/1st round pick would all be of varying degrees of interest to the Canucks. And unlike some other teams (ie. MIN, ANA), if the Canucks are trading Edler...it'll be because they're completely out of it and can afford to take basically just a futures package back.

It'd probably end up being a complicated deal to make though with all those factors.

None are getting moved for Edler other than the first (assuming the Habs are a top team) and Hudon.
Juulsen and Sergechev are the future of the Habs blueline. Beaulieu wont get flipped for a 30 year old. Hudon tho is not part of the future.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

Brodin would have no future with montreal anyways and is not a
top pairing Dman nor an upgrade over Emelin/Markov/Beaulieu for this season. Plus, he doesnt have the offensive skills to complement Weber.

Not an upgrade over Emelin or ****ing Beaulieu?! Yikes, that's awful.