Proposal: Habs/Canes

[Bleeker]

Carolina send:
J.Staal, 28, 7 years left at 6M$ per
3rd round pick, 2017


Montreal send:
T.Plekanec, 34, 2 years left at 6M$ per
2nd round pick, 2017
Noah Juulsen, 19, (1st round pick in 2015)

Mtl get a #2 center with size, longterm
Carolina get a #2 center to replace Staal while the youngsters develop
Juulsen is a good addition. A future top 4, puck moving Dman.

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[Maukkis]

No need for Carolina to do this.

On a side note, am I the only one who thinks Jordan Staal should be way older than 27? He's been around forever.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Carolina send:
J.Staal, 28, 7 years left at 6M$ per
3rd round pick, 2017


Montreal send:
T.Plekanec, 34, 2 years left at 6M$ per
2nd round pick, 2017
Noah Juulsen, 19, (1st round pick in 2015)

the difference between plekanec and staal is not juulsen. bergevin declines

 

[Bleeker]

the difference between plekanec and staal is not juulsen. bergevin declines

Staal is younger, bigger, and signed longterm during his prime

 

[Chan790]

I don't see the sense for the Canes...they need goal-scoring and a 1C.

They absolutely don't need another D spec in Juulsen.

They probably don't need the cap or cash "savings" in moving Staal's longer deal for Plek's shorter one. It just means having to replace that role in 2 years.

This is a deal for a team tearing-down, not already building back up.

 

[Mersss]

Staal is younger, bigger, and signed longterm during his prime

Staal has also never produced more then 50pts in a year.

That<s a lot of $$ for someone with that kind of price tag and offensive production.

In a down year, Plekanec will fetch 50pts. That tops Jordan STaal best offensive production

He might be younger and bigger, but Habs need scoring, not another overpaid 2nd-3rd line C

 

[Mark Kandy]

Yikes. No thanks for the Staal contract. Pleky only has 1 year remaining after this season so it's all good. Juulsen is still a really decent prospect, and adding a 2nd on top of that... no thanks!

 

[Legend123]

6 MILLION DOLLARS FOR STAAL????? OH god plz no, habs dont take him for free, we have enough offensively inept forwards. And also even if he had the same contract as Plekanec, no way the Habs trade Juulsen for Staal

 

[sansabri]

7 years left? That's quite the commitment to make...

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Horrible for MTL.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Staal is younger, bigger, and signed longterm during his prime

And even in his prime, he will never hit the # that Plekanec hit. I'd keep Plekanec and Juulsen without even thinking twice about it!

 

[Mike Hasselhoffman]

Not a chance from Montreal..Staal has never reached the point totals Plekanec has, yes he's younger but he isn't at a stage where he'll conceivably get better. Juulsen is a major part of our defense for the future, not moving him.

 

[HOPE]

Not a chance from Montreal..Staal has never reached the point totals Plekanec has, yes he's younger but he isn't at a stage where he'll conceivably get better. Juulsen is a major part of our defense for the future, not moving him.

this. i would honestly not even take J.staal contract for free

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

What's with these deals that make sense for neither team?

Last year on an offensively inept team (27th in NHL), Staal had 20G, 48P while playing with 2 guys that couldn't crack the roster of Chicago (Nordstom) or Detroit(Nestrasil). Plekanec had 14G, 54 points on a better offensive team playing with better players. Staal went against slightly tougher competition and had significantly worse quality of teammates, and both had similar possession numbers.

Canes suck, so 2 years of 34 YO Plekanec is a total waste of time for them. He won't outperform Staal in Carolina and they aren't contending any time soon, so trading for an older guy is useless. I'm not saying Plekanec is useless, I'm saying where he is at in his career and where the Canes are makes not sense and won't make them a better team. If this was a younger version of Plekanec signed for longer, then him coming to Carolina might make sense.

With Faulk (R), Pesce (R), Murphy (R), McKeown (R), Slavin (L), Hanifin (L), Fleury (L), Bean (L), and Carrick all 24 and under, there is little need for another D prospect so Juulsen holds little value as it pertains to Carolina.

For MTL, they are adding a longer contract and aren't getting a significant upgrade short term so doesn't make a lot of sense from their end either.

 

[Legend123]

What's with these deals that make sense for neither team?

Last year on an offensively inept team (27th in NHL), Staal had 20G, 48P while playing with 2 guys that couldn't crack the roster of Chicago (Nordstom) or Detroit(Nestrasil). Plekanec had 14G, 54 points on a better offensive team playing with better players. Staal went against slightly tougher competition and had significantly worse quality of teammates, and both had similar possession numbers.

Canes suck, so 2 years of 34 YO Plekanec is a total waste of time for them. He won't outperform Staal in Carolina and they aren't contending any time soon, so trading for an older guy is useless. I'm not saying Plekanec is useless, I'm saying where he is at in his career and where the Canes are makes not sense and won't make them a better team. If this was a younger version of Plekanec signed for longer, then him coming to Carolina might make sense.

With Faulk (R), Pesce (R), Murphy (R), McKeown (R), Slavin (L), Hanifin (L), Fleury (L), Bean (L), and Carrick all 24 and under, there is little need for another D prospect so Juulsen holds little value as it pertains to Carolina.

For MTL, they are adding a longer contract and aren't getting a significant upgrade short term so doesn't make a lot of sense from their end either.

The simple fact Carolina would be escaping from that contract and getting good prospects is a no brainer for Carolina.

 

[Poochie_D]

The Habs need to add a center. Not give one center for another. And besides, that contract is going to be tough. Way too much term. I like the player but contract wise it doesn't work.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

The simple fact Carolina would be escaping from that contract and getting good prospects is a no brainer for Carolina.

Carolina doesn't need to "escape" that contract. Just because you ignored the reasons BBA gave doesn't make them less valid. This doesn't help the Canes at all.

 

[Chan790]

The simple fact Carolina would be escaping from that contract and getting good prospects is a no brainer for Carolina.

Not really trying to escape from that contract, by my understanding. The proposal is faulty because the basis-premise is faulty. GI,GO.

 

[GoldiFox]

The simple fact Carolina would be escaping from that contract and getting good prospects is a no brainer for Carolina.

Nobody in Carolina is concerned about "escaping" Jordan Staal's contract. Particularly considering that they are the lowest spending team in the NHL by a good margin.

Jordan Staal would get the exact same contract he has now on the open market in a heartbeat. Canes are happy to keep him.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Nobody in Carolina is concerned about "escaping" Jordan Staal's contract. Particularly considering that they are the lowest spending team in the NHL by a good margin.

Jordan Staal would get the exact same contract he has now on the open market in a heartbeat. Canes are happy to keep him.

Carolina is right up against the cap. The floor that is. If the site I checked it accurate the cap hits of the guys on the roster aren't even above the floor, and we're only over it because of the Semin and Wiz buyouts.

Clearly there's a pressing need to shed salary.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Habs can do better with that package.

 

[Nucks N Canes]

Habs can do better with that package.

Considering that they can't even get Staal, I would say that they can't do better haha. Who really wants a 34 year old center at $6M for another year past this year. Safe to say unless Montreal withholds cap he actually has negative value. Nice try though.

 

[Legend123]

Nobody in Carolina is concerned about "escaping" Jordan Staal's contract. Particularly considering that they are the lowest spending team in the NHL by a good margin.

Jordan Staal would get the exact same contract he has now on the open market in a heartbeat. Canes are happy to keep him.

so your telling me the canes are ok with paying this player 42 million dollars for the next 7 years?? Really?? I mean who really likes wasting money? That dead cap can be spent on much better players or used to extend younger players while still being a budget team.

 

[Chan790]

so your telling me the canes are ok with paying this player 42 million dollars for the next 7 years?? Really?? I mean who really likes wasting money? That dead cap can be spent on much better players or used to extend younger players while still being a budget team.

Yes, that's what we're saying...and it's hardly a waste.

If Jordan Staal were a UFA, he gets that same contract probably.

If the Canes traded Staal for Plek, in two years we'd need to sign a UFA to fill that defensive 2/3C role playing against other teams' top-line and probably pay more than $6M-per.

I hardly think it's a waste of money for a primarily-defensive puck-control team that limits shots to spend money to sign one of the better defensive centers in the NHL...since he's the key-piece of that play-style for us.

 

[Legend123]

Yes, that's what we're saying...and it's hardly a waste.

If Jordan Staal were a UFA, he gets that same contract probably.

If the Canes traded Staal for Plek, in two years we'd need to sign a UFA to fill that defensive 2/3C role playing against other teams' top-line and probably pay more than $6M-per.

I hardly think it's a waste of money for a primarily-defensive puck-control team that limits shots to spend money to sign one of the better defensive centers in the NHL...since he's the key-piece of that play-style for us.

I can understand why you dont want Plekanec - hell I sure dont him anymore on the habs - but i cant understand why you think 42 million is not horrible for staal.