Proposal: Habs - Avs

[AliBaba]

MaxPac for Landeskog with 10% retained

Habs get #grit and ship off MaxPac cause he's in the dog house/slumping.

Avs get probably the better player on a shorter contract and retain on Landeskog for Habs cap ceiling.


I know both teams fans probably hate this, but it's realistic. #Grit baby.

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[euhchepas]

i doubt colorado will be fine with this

I would do it from Mtl Landeskog would be insane on a line with Galchenyuk and Radulov

 

[Avs44]

MaxPac for Landeskog with 10% retained

Habs get #grit and ship off MaxPac cause he's in the dog house/slumping.

Avs get probably the better player on a shorter contract and retain on Landeskog for Habs cap ceiling.


I know both teams fans probably hate this, but it's realistic. #Grit baby.

So the Avs get the older player on the shorter contract, and they get to retain salary for funsies. And they lose a lot of grit and two way ability, something they badly need without Stastny and O'Reilly. Where do I sign?

 

[TheForsbergShow]

So the Avs get the older player on the shorter contract, and they get to retain salary for funsies. And they lose a lot of grit and two way ability, something they badly need without Stastny and O'Reilly. Where do I sign?

This was about the exact same thing I was about to say lol.

 

[strictlyrandy]

I'm mostly surprised that this is still awful for the Avs and it somehow doesn't have Desharnais and Emelin coming back to the Avs.

 

[The Great Weal]

Easy no from Avs. Landeskog is better, younger and signed longer to a better contract. Now maybe if we add DD

 

[TheForsbergShow]

Easy no from Avs. Landeskog is better, younger and signed longer to a better contract. Now maybe if we add DD

I'd do that. To balance it out the Avs will retain 50% as well

 

[stpn47]

Avs get probably the better player on a shorter contract and retain on Landeskog for Habs cap ceiling.


I know both teams fans probably hate this, but it's realistic. #Grit baby.

Just about 100% of Avs fans will disagree that the Avs are getting the better player in this deal.

 

[Spazkat]

MaxPac for Landeskog with 10% retained

Habs get #grit and ship off MaxPac cause he's in the dog house/slumping.

Avs get probably the better player on a shorter contract and retain on Landeskog for Habs cap ceiling.


I know both teams fans probably hate this, but it's realistic. #Grit baby.

I don't think the bolded is even close to true

 

[CHaracter79]

Stop with the habs trade offers.

Habs players value <<<<< rest of the NHL

 

[Weast]

Stop with the habs trade offers.

Habs players value <<<<< rest of the NHL

You can't possibly think that this is fair value for the Avs

 

[Zalos]

at the people who consider Landeskog better than Pacioretty. Breathe in... and breathe out. Pacio is just in a slump right now and he is still doing decent on points. He can score 35-40 a year. I'm sorry but Landeskog is not worth the trade.

 

[HOPE]

Avs clearly sont do this because of contract/age/ceilling.

But as at right now personally i think landerskog is overrated. Never been a fan. Would still do this trade in a heart beat wich tells you its one sided

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Pacioretty isn't going to Colorado, period.

 

[pc_md]

I always find it amazing how fans overvalue their own players making a trade discussion nearly impossible on this board once fans from the implicated teams join the discussion.

This trade proposal (or at least the players involved) seems reasonable.

Pacioretty is the better offensive player.
Landeskog is a more complete player and is a bit younger.

Both players have good size. Both have good contracts. The trade could bring offense to a Colorado team that badly needs it and character to the Habs, pleasing their GM.

PS: Avs44 reminds me of this guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Gromyko.
His purpose on the trade board seems to systematically reject any trade that involves his team.

 

[Groo]

I always find it amazing how fans overvalue their own players making a trade discussion nearly impossible on this board once fans from the implicated teams join the discussion.

This trade proposal (or at least the players involved) seems reasonable.

Pacioretty is the better offensive player.
Landeskog is a more complete player and is a bit younger.

Both players have good size. Both have good contracts. The trade could bring offense to a Colorado team that badly needs it and character to the Habs, pleasing their GM.

PS: Avs44 reminds me of this guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Gromyko.

His purpose on the trade board seems to systematically reject any trade that involves his team.

Air holes.Don't forget to drill those air holes.

 

[Goulet17]

Pacioretty just turned 28 while Landeskog just turned 24. Landeskog also is signed for two more years.

The Avs are essentially still rebuilding, so trading for a player 4 years older and signed for two fewer years makes very little intelligent sense. Perhaps if the Avs were making a cup run this season and next and they beleived that Pacioretty was the missing piece, it would make some sense. But we all know that is not the case.

The bottom line is that even if you feel Pacioretty is the better player, it is not a rational move for the Avs given their current situation.

Quite frankly, this should not be a particularly difficult concept to grasp.

 

[pc_md]

The Avs are essentially still rebuilding, so trading for a player 4 years older and signed for two fewer years makes very little intelligent sense.

I guess it depends how much you expect Pacioretty to make in 2 years vs how much you think a 20-25 goal scorer would make in two years (more or less than 5.6 million). I don't think the answer is as clear as you seem to imply.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I guess it depends how much you expect Pacioretty to make in 2 years vs how much you think a 20-25 goal scorer would make in two years (more or less than 5.6 million). I don't think the answer is as clear as you seem to imply.

You seem to be assuming that Pacioretty would definitely resign with the Avs. What happens if he decides to sign elsewhere as a UFA? I'd much rather have a 20-25 goal scorer for 4 years than a 30+ goal scorer for only 2.

 

[Poignant Discussion*]

MaxPac for Landeskog with 10% retained

Habs get #grit and ship off MaxPac cause he's in the dog house/slumping.

Avs get probably the better player on a shorter contract and retain on Landeskog for Habs cap ceiling.


I know both teams fans probably hate this, but it's realistic. #Grit baby.

AV's laugh, next proposal please

 

[Avs44]

I always find it amazing how fans overvalue their own players making a trade discussion nearly impossible on this board once fans from the implicated teams join the discussion.

This trade proposal (or at least the players involved) seems reasonable.

Pacioretty is the better offensive player.
Landeskog is a more complete player and is a bit younger.

Both players have good size. Both have good contracts. The trade could bring offense to a Colorado team that badly needs it and character to the Habs, pleasing their GM.

PS: Avs44 reminds me of this guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Gromyko.
His purpose on the trade board seems to systematically reject any trade that involves his team.

Oh look, I'm popular


If systematically rejecting means employing a little logic...sure. This exact discussion has been done to death a dozen times over.


Is Pacioretty the better offensive player? Sure. However, after losing both Stastny and O'Reilly and never replacing either of them properly, the Avs badly need the type of player Landeskog is: hard working, gritty, good defensively. This team is soft as butter with depth pieces like Grigorenko and Colborne, and players like Duchene are fantastic, but he is offense and skill first and foremost. Add in that the two top offensive prospects on the team (Jost, Rantanen) are both skilled, offensive forwards, and the biggest need for the Avs up front is actually a Ryan O'Reilly type, and that player needs to be added to Landeskog. Someone who works his butt off all over he ice, every shift. Is that Pacioretty to you? Regardless, trading Landeskog is really counterproductive. If they did this swap, the future of the offense would be Patches, MacKinnon, Duchene, Jost, and Rantanen, AKA 5 highly skilled, highly talented, offense-first forwards with no diversity among them whatsoever. That doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me in todays NHL.


Regarding contracts and age, that blatantly favours the Canadiens. Landeskog is 23 vs. Pacioretty who is 28. While 28 is absolutely still his 'prime age,' the Avs are basically in a retool right now. The future of this team is resting on some of the prospects I mentioned, Jost and Rantanen, and then (hopefully) pieces like Zadorov, Compher, Greer, and Bigras. Certainly right now this team is not close to competing, and the overall depth on the club is nowhere near good enough. The solution is to build internally, which means at least a 1-2 year wait. That means the 23 year old fits into that plan a lot better than the 28 year old. To add to that, Landeskog has 5 years left on his deal, Pacioretty has three, and whatever cap hit benefits he has (which doesn't actually matter much to the Avs incidentally) is kinda wiped out by the fact that the OP has the Avs retaining salary for 5 years on Landeskog, don't you think?


If you're actually a proponent of reasonable discussions as you claim, then please read all of the above, and tell my why this makes sense for the Avs, and why I am worth mocking because I said no. Should be good.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

AV's laugh, next proposal please

Next proposal;

Marner for Landeskog.

 

[Jayevs]

You little salesman you, trying to make the shorter contract sound enticing.

 

[Balthazar]

Offense: Pacioretty
Defense: Landeskog
Grit/Leadership: Landeskog
Age: Landeskog
Contract length: Landeskog

 

[The Great Weal]

Offense: Pacioretty
Defense: Landeskog
Grit/Leadership: Landeskog
Age: Landeskog
Contract length: Landeskog

I'd give Offense to Landeskog as well, but not too sure about defense could go either way.