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Proposal: H. Fleury for A. Nylander

Jame said:
you should.

We should be looking to move someone from the group of Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching. They are all 21 year old RHS wingers who are not "elite" value players (top 10 picks like Reinhart and Nylander).

All 3 have shown development curves trending towards being regular NHLers.

Someone like Kylington is a perfect target. Similarly, not an elite draft pick, but showing good development in his first AHL season.
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Again I'm not arguing what you are proposing is a good scenario but if that doesn't work out, I don't care if we have to give up one of the higher level players as that means better D is coming our way. You are against it, I am not.
 
CacOBG said:
Again I'm not arguing what you are proposing is a good scenario but if that doesn't work out, I don't care if we have to give up one of the higher level players as that means better D is coming our way. You are against it, I am not.
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Yes, I am against the video game approach to roster construction.
 
Jame said:
Sure, which is why Buffalo won't be trading him.

Teams can solve roster construction/pipeline issues with fair trades that don't involve absurd HF top prospect deals.

2nd round RHS Winger for 2nd round LHD

Kylington plays the more valuable position, but Bailey is further along in development.

Fair.

I know you'd rather turn your 2 Nickels into a Quarter... but that's just HFing.
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The poster arguing that Bailey for Haydn Fleury is fair is criticizing HF for "2 nickels for a quarter" proposals. Now that is HFing.
 
Jame said:
Fleury is a dime.
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Cause Jame said so.... Honest question - how many games have you seen him play?

I haven't watched him, but would be interested to hear what exactly is the basis to judge a player in your strange world. Right now I'm inclined to listen to what his AHL coach says that plays him all season long rather than to you.
 
CacOBG said:
Cause Jame said so.... Honest question - how many games have you seen him play?

I haven't watched him, but would be interested to hear what exactly is the basis to judge a player in your strange world. Right now I'm inclined to listen to what his AHL coach says that plays him all season long rather than to you.
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1,239,844 games

Make sure you check what Nylander's coach said about him at the World Juniors... you know, to make sure you've got the trade value down correctly :rolleyes:
 
Jame said:
1,239,844 games
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So, 0? Thanks, now stop embarrassing yourself by providing judgement on a player you haven't seen play. Don't want people to think all Buffalo fans are that ignorant where they know much better the play, development and value than fans that actually watch said players.
 
CacOBG said:
So, 0? Thanks, now stop embarrassing yourself by providing judgement on a player you haven't seen play. Don't want people to think all Buffalo fans are that ignorant where they know much better the play, development and value than fans that actually watch said players.
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Thanks for looking out for Buffalo. Keep up the good work.
 
Roboturner913 said:
Still can't think of a good reason why I would want to trade a 21-year-old NHL-ready defenseman who was his AHL team's best player, for a 19-year-old forward who flopped in his first AHL action. That move doesn't make my team better.
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Who is this NHL ready defenseman you're talking about?
This is a thread about Fleury for Nylander. There's no NHL ready defenseman in this deal.

Buffalo doesn't touch this
 
Gavy said:
Who is this NHL ready defenseman you're talking about?
This is a thread about Fleury for Nylander. There's no NHL ready defenseman in this deal.
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Well, Ron Francis, Bill Peters and Ulf Samuelsson have all pretty much said he's capable of playing in the NHL right now, and that he will be in the NHL next season, but you go on ahead with your opinion, I'm sure you know more than those guys.
 
Jame said:
Fleury is a dime.
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Bailey is perhaps worth Trevor Carrick; a quality but not-elite LHD that probably has NHL-level talent (He's never beating out Slavin/Hanifin/Fleury for a LHD spot in the regular lineup, he could be our injury fill-in/#7), but he's likely a quality 3rd-pair guy for most teams that could top out into a 2nd-pair LHD.

You have to give to get...and Bailey isn't worth anywhere near Fleury.
 
Chan790 said:
Bailey is perhaps worth Trevor Carrick; a quality but not-elite LHD that probably has NHL-level talent (He's never beating out Slavin/Hanifin/Fleury for a LHD spot in the regular lineup, he could be our injury fill-in/#7), but he's likely a quality 3rd-pair guy for most teams that could top out into a 2nd-pair LHD.

You have to give to get...and Bailey isn't worth anywhere near Fleury.
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I agree. Kylington is also far ebtter than Carrick and is closer to Fleury than he is to Carrick (Fleury is the best out of the three just saying, but Kylington's actual talent is far closer to Fleury than Carrick), so I'd actually be against a Kylington for Bailey trade because Bailey doesn't scream like anything more than a bottom line forward if he's even lucky.
 
CacOBG said:
He’s had, in my opinion, a breakout year,†Checkers coach Ulf Samuelsson said. “He’s been one of our most consistent players. He’s taken a step maybe each month and the last month has made the biggest step because he’s now using his size.


“He’s hard to play against. He’s always been good joining the rush, jumping up, but he has turned into a really good two-way defenseman.â€

Describing someone as a really good two way defenseman normally doesnt result in 15 points. If he gets 25 pts per season while playing solid defensive hockey and playing good in transition, for me that's a good enough return for Nylander. 25 points would be more than McCabe in his last 2 seasons. Fleury has had 26 in 69 in the NHL last season. If he can come close to that in the NHL per 80 games would you call that bad return? Many fans have said that we should surround our potential stud Risto with solid, reliable puck moving defensemen rather than go for potential superstar D (i.e. trading Reinhart for Hanifin). I'd like to think Fleury is a step in that direction If we trade him for Nylander. That makes our D unit

X/McCabe - Risto
X/McCabe - Antipin/Bogo
Fleury - Bogo/Antipin
Guhle
And send Gorges to wherever. Rotate Fleury and Guhle appropriately with some AHL games in the mix.

Or

McCabe - Risto
Gorges - Antipin/Bogo
Fleury - Bogo/Antipin
Guhle
...For 1 season until we get rid of Gorges to UFA and both Fleury and Guhle are full time NHL-ers. That's of course if you don't want to spend further assets and cap on the X in the first combination. Rotate Fleury and Guhle with also some games in the NHL so that they both get gace time and then for 18-19 you hopefully have a good idea who can jump to the 2nd pair and who slots at 3rd.
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That's all well and dandy but I didn't call him a defensive dman, the poster I was responding to did. I was simply saying why stats matter even for a so call defensive dman. I made no comment that Fleury was that type or the type to not get points.
 
RainierBeat said:
I agree. Kylington is also far ebtter than Carrick and is closer to Fleury than he is to Carrick (Fleury is the best out of the three just saying, but Kylington's actual talent is far closer to Fleury than Carrick), so I'd actually be against a Kylington for Bailey trade because Bailey doesn't scream like anything more than a bottom line forward if he's even lucky.
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Bailey's is likely 3rd liner in a couple of years, 2nd liner if he's lucky/develop surprisingly well. Doubt he is 4th liner even on a decent team. There's plenty of these in the league, doubt anyone gives much of value for him. But if Kylington is an option...why not lol
 
Mattilaus said:
That's all well and dandy but I didn't call him a defensive dman, the poster I was responding to did. I was simply saying why stats matter even for a so call defensive dman. I made no comment that Fleury was that type or the type to not get points.
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No probs dude. Wasn't really arguing :D
 
RainierBeat said:
I agree. Kylington is also far ebtter than Carrick and is closer to Fleury than he is to Carrick (Fleury is the best out of the three just saying, but Kylington's actual talent is far closer to Fleury than Carrick), so I'd actually be against a Kylington for Bailey trade because Bailey doesn't scream like anything more than a bottom line forward if he's even lucky.
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no, our prospect in better than your prospect.

:rolleyes:
 
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