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[sting101]

Did Florida smartly cut bait with Reinhart?

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Alex Nylander on waivers ... honestly, I'd take a shot at him.

I agree generally but first line wingers still carry a premium. That level of player would be a downgrade on Boeser.

If the choice were Boeser or a top 4 D then I agree the downgrade may be worth it. But I’m not sure they should be in that situation - should be enough space to have both by trimming a bit of fat (Desharnais, Hoglander) and still have room to fill out the depth. Would much rather ditch a few players lower on the roster.

I’m not sure I’d prioritize a third line centre over Boeser (I guess depending on who that may be) - management has been able to cobble together strong depth pieces up front and can hopefully continue to do so.

Actually did some cap math on next season for the first time in forever, and yeah you're right, if they can clear Desharnais and Hoglander, you can bring back Boeser at $8M and have about $12M left over to augment the roster.

 

[pitseleh]

Yep. He's closer to a Palat or Killorn than a Hagel or Cirelli.

Those guys were 3 and 5 years older than Boeser when they let them go.

The closest comp I can think of is Max Pacioretty, who Vegas acquired when he was 30, gave up Nick Suzuki for, and re-signed for $7 million per year until he was 35.

 

[Josepho]

Leaning towards not wanting Boeser back at any capacity, honestly.

I don't really care if there isn't an imminent replacement available. If there isn't, you allocate that money to finding more defencemen, or finding a center so we can put one of Pettersson/Miller on the wing.

I also think it's debatable that he is our best winger. DeBrusk and Garland have been clearly better this year, and Garland has been better in 2 of the past 3 seasons.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Leaning towards not wanting Boeser back at any capacity, honestly.

I don't really care if there isn't an imminent replacement available. If there isn't, you allocate that money to finding more defencemen, or finding a center so we can put one of Pettersson/Miller on the wing.

I also think it's debatable that he is our best winger. DeBrusk and Garland have been clearly better this year, and Garland has been better in 2 of the past 3 seasons.

Trade him to Minny 50% retained for a haul.

I love Brock but I don't like the idea of him for another 8 years.

 

[sting101]

Alex Nylander on waivers ... honestly, I'd take a shot at him.

Actually did some cap math on next season for the first time in forever, and yeah you're right, if they can clear Desharnais and Hoglander, you can bring back Boeser at $8M and have about $12M left over to augment the roster.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Alec Regula who went on waivers from BOS yesterday.

Would be a savvy pick up....send Friedman down give him some time to get back healthy....conditioning stint to buy some time and then work on getting rid of Desharnais

 

[F A N]

Alex Nylander on waivers ... honestly, I'd take a shot at him.

Take away his last name and he would be playing in Sweden by now. I think we were better off keeping Sprong if we're now looking to pick up Alex Nylander.

 

[sting101]

Leaning towards not wanting Boeser back at any capacity, honestly.

I don't really care if there isn't an imminent replacement available. If there isn't, you allocate that money to finding more defencemen, or finding a center so we can put one of Pettersson/Miller on the wing.

I also think it's debatable that he is our best winger. DeBrusk and Garland have been clearly better this year, and Garland has been better in 2 of the past 3 seasons.

It's not about who's been better for 27games though. If last year was any indication who would you rather have? And he's still coming off a concussion where he missed 7 games.

Garland is the next year so more tough decisions to come. It's not like you just get to bank on him staying when he's from back east and may decide to grab a bigger role closer to home and more money.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Those guys were 3 and 5 years older than Boeser when they acquired him.

The closest comp I can think of is Max Pacioretty, who Vegas acquired when he was 30, gave up Nick Suzuki for, and re-signed for $7 million per year until he was 35.

Part of the issue with the lack of comparables to Boeser is that these teams are too smart to get themselves into this situation in the first place - they would have locked in Boeser at 5-6 years when he was a 25 year old RFA, captured the entirety of his prime in a single contract, and faced a much more palatable decision to let a 31-year old Boeser go.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

I was fully on the trade Boeser train a few years ago, but now I'm probably on the resign Boeser train. Not that people's concerns aren't valid. I don't think Boeser is that replaceable. I'm not talking about the goals. Lekkerimaki could somewhat do that next year if he develops. I'm talking about not only his goal-scoring, but his board play and size in the top 6. That Lekkerimaki won't replace, and is a lot harder to replace. Would also be a loss that effects the room.

 

[sting101]

Were in an enviable spot a RW. Boeser Garland Lekkerimaki is a great mix and should be tenable for cap hits with JL having 2 yrs of ELC and then cost control years.

Desharnais Forbort Hoglander Heinen can all get punted to make room before you start axing our best players

 

[Josepho]

It's not about who's been better for 27games though. If last year was any indication who would you rather have? And he's still coming off a concussion where he missed 7 games.

Garland is the next year so more tough decisions to come. It's not like you just get to bank on him staying when he's from back east and may decide to grab a bigger role closer to home and more money.

Last year was a career year and should not be the only indication of whether we should bring this player back. It's not just that DeBrusk and Garland have been better this year, but they were both better in 2022-2023 as well. Obviously, there is time for Boeser to start playing better, and I may adjust my opinion if that happens. I'm just saying I disagree with the notion that we have no choice but to bring him back.

Garland is a lower-profile guy and I think will be a better bang-for-buck than Boeser.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Were in an enviable spot a RW. Boeser Garland Lekkerimaki is a great mix and should be tenable for cap hits with JL having 2 yrs of ELC and then cost control years.

Desharnais Forbort Hoglander Heinen can all get punted to make room before you start axing our best players

That's where I'm at. Depth players such as tweener middle 6 wingers and #6/7 defenseman are easy to acquire or backfill. Using the cap on quantity (Sprong, Desharnais, Forbort, Hoglander and Heinen) over quality was unnecessary. It all adds up.

An 8 year term looks bad at first, but you are really looking at the next 3-5 years as we will probably enter a retool/rebuild. Hell, we don't even know if Quinn Hughes will re-sign here.

 

[ChilliBilly]

this is the real issue with a boeser extension

an 8 year extension seems likely to go bad at some point but boeser really has no incentive to take less years. i can't imagine the canucks want to go like 11m/5y instead of 8m/8yr and that's probably what it takes. maybe they can get him to agree to something like 10m/3yr but even then i dunno why he'd do it

however, the canucks are already weak at the wing and they can't really afford to lose boeser who is easily their best winger. they can't afford to wait on lekkerimaki or some other prospect and i don't see any realistic free agent scenarios. they kind of have no choice but to go with boeser

Are you really bad at math or what ? better would jump at 10 million for three years he would still have a career and would make six or seven for the next six or seven years. And come out ahead. And the idea of 11 million for five years is insane. It just doesn’t work that way at the end of it he could China deal that would give him 5 million for five years.

Either way, I don’t think he’s worth that sort of money. He’s been overpaid for a while than treated decently by this organization and they should offer him another 6×6 or let them walk. I know that won’t be a popular consensus. But that will give him a massive payday.


Just to put things in context. I retired 15 years ago never made more than $80,000 US a year in my life and 1 million US is enough to actually retire comfortably on ahead of 90% of the US population. The idea that these guys need to prove Their testosterone by making 8 million rather than 7 million a year is just plain silly. Yes they want their payday, but these guys are never gonna have to worry about where their next meal is coming from.

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

is alvin playing 3d chess game again like he did dirty with ep40?

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Were in an enviable spot a RW. Boeser Garland Lekkerimaki is a great mix and should be tenable for cap hits with JL having 2 yrs of ELC and then cost control years.

Desharnais Forbort Hoglander Heinen can all get punted to make room before you start axing our best players

That's a good point. I'm back on board the resign Boeser train. It sucks we have so many useless contracts again all of a sudden.

 

[Nucker101]

I was also down on Boeser in the past, I'd bring him back at the right deal. His game basically doesn't rely on speed at all but at the same time it's scary to think of him losing a step when he's 30+ since he's already slow to begin with.

 

[sting101]

Last year was a career year and should not be the only indication of whether we should bring this player back. It's not just that DeBrusk and Garland have been better this year, but they were both better in 2022-2023 as well. Obviously, there is time for Boeser to start playing better, and I may adjust my opinion if that happens. I'm just saying I disagree with the notion that we have no choice but to bring him back.

Garland is a lower-profile guy and I think will be a better bang-for-buck than Boeser.

I see both sides. At the end of the day i would prefer a more active player that can drive play for the money. If they could come up with a Boeser for Mercer type move and get a younger more versatile guy and free up cap for the D i'm all for it.

We're not exactly in a position to be losing the best scorers we have right now for futures (draft picks that is) and there is nothing this year in free agency that looks mildly attractive. Demko will be 30 at the end of next year and Garland is almost PPG and will be almost 30 looking for another deal. he wont be cheap if he stays close to what he's doing this and next year.

Something will have to give i'm just on the side of getting the most from Miller possible and taking away pieces that wouldn't be on the ice in the closing minutes first.

 

[Wisp]

Did Florida smartly cut bait with Reinhart?

a player with a long history 50+ point seasons before they got him? edit: oh shit, you guys are talking about Boeser, not Hoglander. yes the Reinhart comparison is very apt here.

lol where we going to find another top line winger. he has 18 points in 20. there's a brain trust in this thread that thinks they're very clever while constantly overthinking things.

 

[StreetHawk]

Yep. He's closer to a Palat or Killorn than a Hagel or Cirelli.

Those last 2 guys got locked up after their bridge deals when they were like 25/26. Brock is going to be 28. Sadly, he just wasn't a long term max deal coming off his bridge at the time. But, that's life.

 

[sting101]

a player with a long history 50+ point seasons before they got him? edit: oh shit, you guys are talking about Boeser, not Hoglander. yes the Reinhart comparison is very apt here.

Career stats
Reinhart = .80 ppg : .37 gpg
B.Boeser = .80 ppg : .37 gpg

Ahh sorry missed the edit

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

There is not a simple solution to replacing Boeser if he walks.

Love Garland. He obviously stays as a Top 6 RW.

Lekk has his shot but needs more refinement and seasoning in the AHL.

There are no other current solutions on the team or in the system.

So you're left with FA and trades.

FA is a horror show and everyone and their dog will be after any half decent player given the Cap going up substantially.

Nucks do not have any real assets to compete in any bidding war for an available Top 6 W.

So unless they get really lucky, the alternative to signing Boeser doesn't provide much comfort.

At the end of the day, I think the two sides get a deal done.

 

[Wisp]

i guess we're so used to plugging guys like Sherwood, Heinan, Phil DiG into the top 6

what if

what if

what if

we have duos Pettersson-Debrusk, Boeser-Miller.

and then a top six forward like Lekkerimaki develops and becomes a THIRD top six forward playing with them.

wild, I know.

Career stats
Reinhart = .80 ppg : .37 gpg
B.Boeser = .80 ppg : .37 gpg

Ahh sorry missed the edit

yeah i thought we we were talking about hoglander. "oh yeah Vegas and Tampa would totally trade them after that 22 goal season." but boeser? our genius armchair braintrust thinks we're the tampa bay lightning but we're actually talking like the buffalo sabres.

 

[sting101]

UFAs the next 2 yrs that are impact players/scorers that are not 33 or older ..how many will even be available

Marner Rantanen Ehlers Bennett
McDavid Kaprizov Connor Tuch Laine Schmaltz Bjorkstrand Marchment

 

[Wisp]

UFAs the next 2 yrs that are impact players/scorers that are not 33 or older ..how many will even be available

Marner Rantanen Ehlers Bennett
McDavid Kaprizov Connor Tuch Laine Schmaltz Bjorkstrand Marchment

can always count on bennet to be 19