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[sting101]

And Vegas.

Examples?

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Nashville Predators

• Other teams got a sense that Trotz isn’t completely convinced he knows what he wants to do
• For all intents and purposes, their season is over

What a disaster in Nashville, Jesus. Next time, maybe hire a GM with more than 0 days of front office experience.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Frank Seravalli's interview with Halford & Brough this morning.

Canucks Home Record

• Doesn’t understand why they play so poorly at home
• They get home and forget how to play hockey

Miller

• Logical next step is to practice today
• Imagine he’ll be back at some time on this homestand
• Nothing is set in stone
• Is going to have to speak to the media at some point

Cam Fowler

• Really likes Cam Fowler as a fit for the Canucks; doesn’t know the plausibility of it
• Knows his tenure in Anaheim is coming to an end
• Has a 4 team NTC
• Is willing to work with the Ducks to find a place that fits for him
• Thinks Fowler has lots of game left
• Believes there will be a bounce-back
• If the Ducks are willing to retain 50%, he is a very attractive trade piece

Nashville Predators

• Would be shocked if nothing happens by the end of this week
• Predators were really active last week when speaking to teams and many thought the Predators were really close in making something happen
• Other teams got a sense that Trotz isn’t completely convinced he knows what he wants to do
• For all intents and purposes, their season is over
• Thinks Trotz feels a lot of responsibility, as a former coach, to blame Brunette for this season
• Believes Stamkos was completely shell-shocked for the first two months of the season after leaving Tampa Bay

Brady Tkachuk

• Soft tampering is made up and means nothing
• No proof, no hard evidence, and the Senators don’t even pretend that there’s any evidence
• No NHL investigation
• In order to open a tampering investigation, evidence must be supplied

New York Ranger

• Can’t make changes based on the results of one game
• Rangers were 12-7-1 before Drury sent out that memo and 14-12-1 afterwards
• Rangers are waiting to see how the season goes after trading Trouba

Buffalo Sabres

• Sabres have been in a spiral for weeks
• Sabres are, next to the Predators, are the most interesting team in the league
• Mentions that Jack Quinn has been a frequent healthy scratch
• Cold, snow, and taxes aren’t the reason people don’t want to go to
• Buffalo; support is for the team is fantastic and the suburbs are fantastic; it’s only a bad place to play when the team is garbage
• Cycle of dumpster fires

Trotz is turning into Lou.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Examples?

Marchessault? Neal? Perron? Smith? Schmidt? Stastny?

Vegas is ruthless when it comes to moving aging veterans on.

 

[sting101]

If the Nucks don't give Boeser what he wants, someone in FA will.

With the Cap increasing significantly, there will be plenty of interest.

yep there is a dearth of scorers this year he will get paid.....i would suggest 7yrs at 8 million the same deal as his buddy Miller (get er done)

Were in a compete cycle and BB6 has proven he can clutch up...we really dont have a choice nobody has his strength on pucks and net presence and saying well we have Debrusk now doesn't cut it when we saw last year even with Lindholm we needed more firepower that can get inside in playoff hockey. I kinda like that Pavelski comp...has a lot of the same characteristics you just have to live with his slow feet and accept he compliments our group enough to pay

 

[Nucker101]

Frank has such bad hockey takes, it's painful

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Frank has such bad hockey takes, it's painful

That's what happens when you're 36 going on 66.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Boeser knows he's riding JT's coattails a bit - he said it outright on the spittin chicklets podcast last year - so maybe he's flexible on term. I'd offer $8MM on a 5 year deal (expires at the same time Miller's deal), but no chance i'd go 8 years unless the cap hit was less than $7MM (and it would need to be structured so he's easy to dump in the last 2 years).

We saw JT without Boeser and it was not much better. I think they both play there best with each other.

 

[StreetHawk]

NHLers should be making more per year but the contract lengths should come down, totally right.

Should absolutely match NBA contract lengths. Teams need to be accountable and player movement makes shit fun.

Question is what does the NHL offer to drop the term down to something like 6/5? Talking guaranteed salary at a 2/3 rate and 100% SB when they are right at the end of their mid 30's to 36 and at the start of their late 30's at 37. Chances of getting good money on the open market at that age is low, so the AAV spikes over the term of the deal.

 

[theguardianII]

Love Brock but no thanks to a 8 year contract.

He is the long term guy. 7 of his 8 years here the team is a loser.

We saw JT without Boeser and it was not much better. I think they both play there best with each other.

Not really. When Boeser was not playing with either EP or Miller regularly and getting less PP time his scoring tanked. His best seasons are with one or the other of both, 6 - 40 - 9 line.
Boeser is purely a complimentary player and a shooter, he does look as if he has improved his skating speed this year.

 

[pitseleh]

While ideally you’re ruthless cutting players like Vegas and Tampa have done, those teams also always have replacements ready to go before they cut players.

I’m fine with moving Boeser along if it means the team is bringing in Rantanen or Marner or has a trade lined up for another winger, but outside those options not sure how they come out better in the next 2-3 years if they let him go.

 

[sting101]

Marchessault? Neal? Perron? Smith? Schmidt? Stastny?

Vegas is ruthless when it comes to moving aging veterans on.

Marchesseault 33/34 - Smith 32 - Stastny 35

Neal was 30 and had 1 season where he didnt fit that well. Expansion pick

Perron did they move on or did he? Wanted to go back to STL came off 1 playoff goal. 1 good example.

Schmidt was taking PEDs. They smartly moved off him while he was good and could get a pick and replaced with a Norris candidate.

 

[Nazzlind]

What did Strickland say? The tweets gone

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

While ideally you’re ruthless cutting players like Vegas and Tampa have done, those teams also always have replacements ready to go before they cut players.

I’m fine with moving Boeser along if it means the team is bringing in Rantanen or Marner or has a trade lined up for another winger, but outside those options not sure how they come out better in the next 2-3 years if they let him go.

Wingers are the easiest thing to get though. The Canucks could let Boeser walk, bring in a Zucker/Tarasenko/Teravainen/Duclair type UFA, and still have 3-4 million left over for a high end 3C or top 4D.

 

[Vector]

this tweet was deleted, what did he say?

What did Strickland say? The tweets gone

I really don't want to listen to him again because I lost a lot of respect for Strickland with his comments on Miller but the gist is that Strickland doesn't think anyone should be praising Miller or calling him brave/strong for stepping away until we know why he left the team and said that there's guys with 4 kids who don't have this option; if you're paid this much money you play.

The interview is still up so it is possible to listen to it yourself.

 

[thecupismine]

While ideally you’re ruthless cutting players like Vegas and Tampa have done, those teams also always have replacements ready to go before they cut players.

I’m fine with moving Boeser along if it means the team is bringing in Rantanen or Marner or has a trade lined up for another winger, but outside those options not sure how they come out better in the next 2-3 years if they let him go.

The problem with the comp is those other cities have no issue getting guys to go there in free agency. Being in Canada, with the added pressure + tax situation, makes it much more difficult to cut bait and find an equivalent player immediately.

That doesn’t mean throw up your hands and give him 8 years, but you need to be realistic about your ability to replace him at the top of the lineup.

 

[credulous]

While ideally you’re ruthless cutting players like Vegas and Tampa have done, those teams also always have replacements ready to go before they cut players.

I’m fine with moving Boeser along if it means the team is bringing in Rantanen or Marner or has a trade lined up for another winger, but outside those options not sure how they come out better in the next 2-3 years if they let him go.

this is the real issue with a boeser extension

an 8 year extension seems likely to go bad at some point but boeser really has no incentive to take less years. i can't imagine the canucks want to go like 11m/5y instead of 8m/8yr and that's probably what it takes. maybe they can get him to agree to something like 10m/3yr but even then i dunno why he'd do it

however, the canucks are already weak at the wing and they can't really afford to lose boeser who is easily their best winger. they can't afford to wait on lekkerimaki or some other prospect and i don't see any realistic free agent scenarios. they kind of have no choice but to go with boeser

 

[sting101]

We saw JT without Boeser and it was not much better. I think they both play there best with each other.

It really does just work. Millers power game skating and willingness to drive inside and take risk with Boeser who can post up and finish or make plays to connect Millers work.

And they are buddies with chemistry set plays and high hockey IQ which helps as well as Millers intensity rubs off on Boeser in a good way as he needs someone to drag him up in intensity so he's not doing the ghost walk he does some times.

Shouldn't be afraid of the deal. Millers who everyone was calling an anchor is non prohibitive at all if we wanted to move him to a contender or team looking to be right now

 

[VanillaCoke]

Lately been thinking maybe Brock is the cap casualty ..

I could definitely see a trade with minny pre tdl.

 

[Peen]

While ideally you’re ruthless cutting players like Vegas and Tampa have done, those teams also always have replacements ready to go before they cut players.

I’m fine with moving Boeser along if it means the team is bringing in Rantanen or Marner or has a trade lined up for another winger, but outside those options not sure how they come out better in the next 2-3 years if they let him go.

I was thinking about this earlier this morning. This is a great point.

Huberdeau and Weegar. Florida made the decision that they simply just didn't want to pay them. That was it.

I think people really messed up when evaluating that trade because they saw the names. Florida didn't value them.

If VAN decides they don't want to pay Hoglander and Boeser 11.5MM combined on term deals before next year, that's all that really matters even if it means selling low. What can they do with that cap space? Florida decided they preferred Tkachuk + cheaper D over the other two. And at that point, they basically just paid a 1st to do so.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

He's the sort of player that TBL would move on from.

Yep. He's closer to a Palat or Killorn than a Hagel or Cirelli.

 

[Wisp]

That's what happens when you're 36 going on 66.

dude is literally hans moleman. "i'm 31 years old!"

baffling that i'm older than seravalli. he must have become PHWA president by tricking all the everyone into thinking he was older and more experienced.

also, re: reminder that 8million is the new 4million. cap is rising now.

 

[pitseleh]

Wingers are the easiest thing to get though. The Canucks could let Boeser walk, bring in a Zucker/Tarasenko/Teravainen/Duclair type UFA, and still have 3-4 million left over for a high end 3C or top 4D.

I agree generally but first line wingers still carry a premium. That level of player would be a downgrade on Boeser.

If the choice were Boeser or a top 4 D then I agree the downgrade may be worth it. But I’m not sure they should be in that situation - should be enough space to have both by trimming a bit of fat (Desharnais, Hoglander) and still have room to fill out the depth. Would much rather ditch a few players lower on the roster.

I’m not sure I’d prioritize a third line centre over Boeser (I guess depending on who that may be) - management has been able to cobble together strong depth pieces up front and can hopefully continue to do so.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I really don't want to listen to him again because I lost a lot of respect for Strickland with his comments on Miller but the gist is that Strickland doesn't think anyone should be praising Miller or calling him brave/strong for stepping away until we know why he left the team and said that there's guys with 4 kids who don't have this option; if you're paid this much money you play.

The interview is still up so it is possible to listen to it yourself.

What an assclown.

 

[sting101]

Yep. He's closer to a Palat or Killorn than a Hagel or Cirelli.

Palat's best season was 23 goals and was 31. Tampa had all sorts of better PP options and cap issues and needed to get creative and did so by bringing in Hagels brilliant contract. I would 100% support a similar move but the stakes are higher when the top goal scorer on your team is at stake and is 27.

Killorn was 34 when they moved on and the same thing applies as far as role and importance