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There is a big difference in the value of the first we traded for Hronek and the one we currently hold.

The one we traded was looking like a pick in the 10-12 range by a team stumbling with the hardest part of their schedule to go. The one we are currently hole is probably a 20-25 pick in a weak draft.
I hear you, but it's still somewhat comparable, the Islanders were tied in points for a playoff spot and 2/3 of their remaining games were against non-playoff teams that year. It likely wasn't going to be 10-12.

There's a wider gap in the returning asset for the Canucks, than the package going the other way, IMO.
 

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Branstrom has fallen back down to his usual tweener level.

I think we move him before the deadline
. Hopefully he played well enough to carry some weight for us in regards to being an asset that other teams will want.

Our transition game is still one of the worst in the league. We need way more speed and skill on the wing.

Top 4 D
Top 6 Winger

Those has to be our major targets.
How quick we are to discard. It wasn’t long ago that we were. Saying this guy. Would get claimed by every team, now we are hoping he is tradable. Just plain fickle.
 

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How quick we are to discard. It wasn’t long ago that we were. Saying this guy. Would get claimed by every team, now we are hoping he is tradable. Just plain fickle.
The cognitive dissonance of some fans to: Takes some mental pretzeling to simultaneously believe a player has little-to-no value to your team, but for some reason another team is going to value him strongly in a trade.
 
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This is the second time where Strickland has been weirdly invested into why Miller is away. Previously was upset about people calling Miller “brave” for stepping away…which is not something I’ve seen anyone say.
 
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Watched that Av's-Pens game closely on Sportsnet tonight. As far as Marcus Pettersson is concerned, 'no thanks'. He looks like a skinnier version of Tyler Myers on one of his worst nights.

The only 'Pettersson' I'd like to see added to the lineup is Elias Pettersson II from Abbotsford.
 

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Watched that Av's-Pens game closely on Sportsnet tonight. As far as Marcus Pettersson is concerned, 'no thanks'. He looks like a skinnier version of Tyler Myers on one of his worst nights.

The only 'Pettersson' I'd like to see added to the lineup is Elias Pettersson II from Abbotsford.
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Watched that Av's-Pens game closely on Sportsnet tonight. As far as Marcus Pettersson is concerned, 'no thanks'. He looks like a skinnier version of Tyler Myers on one of his worst nights.

The only 'Pettersson' I'd like to see added to the lineup is Elias Pettersson II from Abbotsford.

Pettersson had a 60% CF% at 5v5, and 65% FF%, 2.3% and 12.1% better than the rest of the team.

Do you think, maybe, that the Pens are just really bad?
 

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Allvin and Tocc did not want Brannstrom on the roster, nor in the lineup. He was only put there out of desperation, for how bad the rest of the non-Hughes blueline was performing.

Brannstrom's minutes and deployment are still very limited, and it took Tocc forever to even creep Brannstrom into the 16 minute range.

Brass doesn't like him because he's not big. They don't. They will look to take him out once there is an upgrade. They're just forced into using him because the other options are bad.
that is alvins fault for the options being bad. resigning myers, signing forbort/desharnais.

we need defense help hughes cant do it all
wouldnt be surprised if he is playing with some kind of injury. carrying the defense every night with hronek out is very taxing on his body too.
 

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This is the second time where Strickland has been weirdly invested into why Miller is away. Previously was upset about people calling Miller “brave” for stepping away…which is not something I’ve seen anyone say.

this tweet was deleted, what did he say?
 
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Why shouldn't people compare him to Lindros? They're about the same size, they both play an incredibly physical brand of Hockey, they both have/had great vision, great hands and produced offense at a high rate. Brady is a much better puck handler, so he's probably not going to take anywhere near the punishment Lindros did (rules are different anyway).

We laud JT for his ability to play a physical brand of hockey AND produce points. Brady throws hits at almost twice the frequency and is now producing points at about the same rate (or better); he's also a lot bigger, so the hits are more impactful. Dakota Joshua is a big strong guy and the way Tkachuk overpowered him at the end of the game the other night was more than a little eye opening.

Physical play is a big part of the game particularly in the post season. No other forward in the league has thrown more hits than Brady since he made his NHL debut....it's a big reason he's such huge possession driver.

Pettersson's play fell off a cliff at around the same time as he signed his extension, maybe that coincided with an injury, but either way, he hasn't been the same player since.
Lol. Says a guy who never watched Lindros.

Lindros was a McDavid level talent for a handful of years. He literally changed the league as teams started drafting unskilled coke machines hoping one of them would discover hockey sense and compete with or shut down Lindros.

B. Tkachuk is, as an all around player, what the 35th best player in the league?

And by the way, he's not playing his absolute best, but when he does Petey's a lot closer to top 10-12 versus Brady who's closer to 35.

But Lindros is just laughable. Even the people who agree with your broader point will grant that.
 
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Lol. Says a guy who never watched Lindros.

Lindros was a McDavid level talent for a handful of years. He literally changed the league as teams started drafting unskilled coke machines hoping one of them would discover hockey sense and compete with or shut down Lindros.

B. Tkachuk is, as an all around player, what the 35th best player in the league?

And by the way, he's not playing his absolute best, but when he does Petey's a lot closer to top 10-12 versus Brady who's closer to 35.

But Lindros is just laughable. Even the people who agree with your broader point will grant that.

How often is Petey a "top 10-12 player" though? Don't get me wrong, I really like EP when he's firing on all cylinders, but it is frustrating that it seems like a relatively infrequent thing. I do agree that Brady Tkachuk is nothing like Lindros, there is nobody like Lindros...I'd say he's more like a Brendan Shanahan, or like his dad Keith. He'll probably go down as one of the best power forwards of this generation, mostly because they seem to be a dying breed, but he does bring a level of intensity and an imposing physical game that is pretty rare these days...I'm not sure where you've come up with the rankings but I would certainly rank Brady Tkachuk higher than 35th, and I wouldn't lean too heavily into EP being a top 10-12 player when he's more consistently out of that range...they're probably a lot closer in value to each other IMO.
 
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If Preds start selling, I wonder if Josi could be a target for us. Hughes looks up to him and really respects him, and Josi’s favourite player is Hughes.

Having Hughes/Josi together would be insane on the PP. gotta make the cap work somehow.

To be quite honest I have no clue what the hell is going on over there.

He will cost an absolute fortune. The dude is still a top 5 defenseman in the entire league even at his age.
 

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Adam Fox was being scrutinized if the Rangers might move him.

No matter how good an established dman might be, the cap this year and next decide a trade.
They might sell out the future for a chance but time is running out.
The team will be playing a number of 4 point games soon. 4 points in that a win +2 and a loss -2 with a game used up.
Used to be just a divisional thing but now with them chasing a WC spot it becomes a conference competition.

Canucks will need two NHL players, defencemen good enough to be 2, 3 or 4 caliber with some PO experience and then cut back Hughes minutes to 21 or 22 a game.

A top 4 dman, IMO, will cost at least a first pick and maybe Willander or Lekkerimaki. They are tomorrow players 2 to 3 years down the road whereas any trades it appears Allvin makes are for NOW.
Allvin might see NOW because of the team aging, next contracts, getting stale or this core's last gasp.

Next year, will they sign Boeser for the NHL new standard of 8+ mil, What of Garland's next deal? 6 to 7 mil? Demko if he does come back to form, 8 to 10 or more as the cap goes up. Then there is Hughes next deal if he stays, likely close to 16+ mil because the cap will be over 100 mil.

While those players may make some fans warm and cozy if they don't advance in the standings winning one round in a playoff over 7 to 8 years screams this group isn't good enough and if the cap is used up and picks/prospects dealt to make them winners NOW how long to keep doing the same thing with the same players and getting the same results.

Allvin needs to make a really big trade, he needs to really roll the dice to make a BIG change in the line up. Tocchet has the system to make AHL players keep the game close, dump it in, chase it down, cycle in the offensive zone, use up the clock, score every now and then and rely on the PP to win games. Lots of effort losing just like under Benning's competitive teams.

Many of the comments above might not resonate with most folks but 2 years can go by in an eye blink and in 2 years, Boeser, Garland, Joshua again, Demko, Hughes, Myers gone, Soucy are all gone or needing bigger contracts. Hughes alone could cripple this group if they can't have enough to get out of the mushy middle and that is where they are now. I thought they might have had a defence last year that might have carried them through the next 4 years regardless of Hughes staying or not or at least the foundation. Hronek signed, possibly Zadorov, Soucy, even Myers at a bargain basement contract withWillander stepping up and maybe another prospect. Silvos looked to be the heir incumbant with Tololio right there but then Clarke disappeared and now so have the goalie prospects improvement.

What ever I am just filling in time here. It is just "almost there" and "next year" has been happening for over 50 years and only three times has there been the closest to getting "there". 7+ years of Benning must have taught some folks that talk is cheap.
 

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Lol. Says a guy who never watched Lindros.

Lindros was a McDavid level talent for a handful of years. He literally changed the league as teams started drafting unskilled coke machines hoping one of them would discover hockey sense and compete with or shut down Lindros.

B. Tkachuk is, as an all around player, what the 35th best player in the league?

And by the way, he's not playing his absolute best, but when he does Petey's a lot closer to top 10-12 versus Brady who's closer to 35.

But Lindros is just laughable. Even the people who agree with your broader point will grant that.
It was a stylistic comparison. Both big ultra physical players who could produce offense. I never said Brady had the same impact on the game now that Lindros had on the game in his time.
 

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Desharnais and Brannstrom together: 47.9% cf
Brannstrom without Desharnais: 53.7% cf
Desharnais without Brannstrom: 37% cf

The coaching staff has lost the plot. You just can't justify the lineup decision last night. You have to hope this is not an inflection point.
 
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Desharnais and Brannstrom together: 47.9 cf%
Brannstrom without Desharnais: 53.7 cf%
Desharnais without Brannstrom: 37% cf%

The coaching staff has lost the plot. You just can't justify the lineup decision last night. You have to hope this is not an inflection point.

I’m really hoping this was a “you’ve been middling the last few games, get a Birds Eye view and come back better next game, and we’ll live with the consequences” coaching maneuver, rather than them legitimately thinking this was the best lineup to win.

Brannstrom should be a staple on the third pairing at this point. He can’t really play higher up in the lineup, but he’s one of the few guys that doesn’t instantly ice the puck at the slightest sign of pressure from an AHL 4th line forward solo forechecking them.
 
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He will cost an absolute fortune. The dude is still a top 5 defenseman in the entire league even at his age.
Even if we're willing (not me!) to part with the assets it would cost to bring him in, we have no way to deal with his cap hit if we want to improve the team. we're also paying a lot redundancy....he isn't taking Hughes' PPQB1 job. And his game has fallen off a lot this year he is absolutely not in the top 5 anymore. Expected goals % is barely above 50% and high danger chance and goals % are sub 50 and 40 despite extremely favorable zone starts. A lot of changes to that roster haven't helped, but the numbers are the numbers.

We need a workhorse defender who thrives on the PK, is a really good in zone defender and can move the puck well. Ideally they're a lefty.

Travis Sanheim fits the bill almost perfectly, but he is not getting traded. His teammate Cam York would be an interesting option, but why would they move him?

One name that fits, if Seattle falls out of contention, is Jamie Oleksiak. He fits cap wise, probably isn't prohibitively expensive and has an additional year on his deal.
 

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Vinny D is the easy choice to move on from, give Forbort a little rope see what he can provide
Brannstrom is fine in and out of the line up, I wouldn’t complain one bit about his game he’s been head and shoulders better than everybody not named Hughes or Soucy
Myers has been decent enough, he can’t seem to get a shot through

Hindsight being 20/20 we should have kept Ian Cole for one more year while we wait for the farm team to produce
 
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