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[brock hughes007]

i get the feeling that Zucker and maybe even Dumoulin will end up here

 

[Wisp]

Worrying about keeping our window open and not trading our picks/prospects to bolster the team was Mike Gillis’ downfall to be honest.

brendan guance and niklas jensen really kept the dream alive.

 

[Szechwan]

We all must have the same f***er muted because I also assumed he got moderated.

I've seen a lot of confusing ghost replies to no one today and it took until this comment to figure out why

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

the hell does that mean. miller has to bend and everyone has to bend"? so the mgmnt has to keep a short leash on miller because hes the vocal one? and is and will at somepoint blow up at a teammate or coach?

Who cares? Whatever will be, will be. All I care about is guys who don't backcheck, don't get to smash-your-stick privileges when shit don't go right. Guys who don't win 50-50 battles don't get mope privileges. The only guy who has done everything right, even when shit goes wrong, ever since he got here, is our captain. I'm not too worried. If anyone thought this team wouldn't stumble out of the gate, I'm more worried about them than I am the team.

 

[Curm]

I think this management group has generally done a good job, but the time to address the D was in the summer when they were moving on from Zadorov and Cole and thinking they could adequately do that with Desharniers and Forbort, or do it in-season, is looking like a fail. Imagine where they'd be without Quinn Hughes, who's having a Hart caliber season?

When healthy, it's a solid collection of forwards, especially if they can solve the Pettersson puzzle, and the goaltending tandem is upper echelon. Adding another quality D could be painful, but I guess we also shouldn't underestimate managements ability to pull something off either.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

To be fair, JT Miller did tell Donald Trump to create COVID so the Panthers could win the Cup. It’s all in the signals that Jesus is beaming us through 5G.

Only the unvaccinated can receive the signals tho.

 

[Canucker]

To be fair, JT Miller did tell Donald Trump to create COVID so the Panthers could win the Cup. It’s all in the signals that Jesus is beaming us through 5G.

Sadly in the world we currently live in people love a good conspiracy...I work for a water company in Texas and we have people who call and complain that we are putting snake venom in the drinking water...or another who thinks the 5G antennas on our water towers are putting messages in her head and causing her headaches. Funny (not funny) stuff.

 

[Rowlet]

Back on topic... there goes Cam Fowler at 60% for a 2nd in 2 years and a mid prospect.

 

[kanucks25]

Back on topic... there goes Cam Fowler at 60% for a 2nd in 2 years and a mid prospect.

Don't know how realistic of a target he was but that's one name off the board. Don't think this is a situation where he would be flipped later, either.

(also, mid prospect is being generous)

 

[Rowlet]

Don't know how realistic of a target he was but that's one name off the board. Don't think this is a situation where he would be flipped later, either.

(also, mid prospect is being generous)

I'd have to imagine he wasn't, unless Anaheim refused to take back Desharnais.

That would have been extremely easy to beat.

 

[Leif Rohlin]

We are buyers and we will be. But our window with Hughes is just opening. It's also a smart thing to keep the window open for as long as we can.

So if guys like Lankinen and Boeser are going to walk you trade em and recoup a ton of value.

Obviously plan A better be to extend them however.

I think that's where the talk of selling is coming from. Noone wants to blow the team up. We just want sustained success.

I think our window is the next 3 years including this one.

Quinn Hughes is a top-5 player in the NHL and is worth almost double his current cap hit. He's a UFA in 2027 and I can't envision any scenario where he re-signs here. We have him for 2 more years and that's it.

JT Miller is one of the top 5 or 6 centers in the NHL right now, significantly outperforming his cap hit and is the most important player on this team after Hughes. He turns 32 in March and will likely start to decline significantly in the next 2 years.

Our window is now, we have an incredible opportunity and I would throw absolutely everything at it while we can.

 

[JT Milker]

I think our window is the next 3 years including this one.

Quinn Hughes is a top-5 player in the NHL and is worth almost double his current cap hit. He's a UFA in 2027 and I can't envision any scenario where he re-signs here. We have him for 2 more years and that's it.

JT Miller is one of the top 5 or 6 centers in the NHL right now, significantly outperforming his cap hit and is the most important player on this team after Hughes. He turns 32 in March and will likely start to decline significantly in the next 2 years.

Our window is now, we have an incredible opportunity and I would throw absolutely everything at it while we can.

We dunk on the Oilers for not doing enough while McDavid is in his prime on a cheap contract. The same should apply to the Canucks/Hughes. He’s that good.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

I think our window is the next 3 years including this one.

Quinn Hughes is a top-5 player in the NHL and is worth almost double his current cap hit. He's a UFA in 2027 and I can't envision any scenario where he re-signs here. We have him for 2 more years and that's it.

JT Miller is one of the top 5 or 6 centers in the NHL right now, significantly outperforming his cap hit and is the most important player on this team after Hughes. He turns 32 in March and will likely start to decline significantly in the next 2 years.

Our window is now, we have an incredible opportunity and I would throw absolutely everything at it while we can.

I'd bet $1000 Hughes re-signs with us.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Full retention on Fowler made a big difference.

Still peanuts for the Blues though.

LHD much easier to acquire.

Still think mgmt are looking at RHD.

Issue is available candidates and cap space.

 

[Phrasing]

Full retention on Fowler made a big difference.

Still peanuts for the Blues though.

LHD much easier to acquire.

Still think mgmt are looking at RHD.

Issue is available candidates and cap space.

I think they look at both. They may expect Willander at the end of the season to be a possible option.

 

[Vector]

I don’t think they are specific about which side of defence but don’t want to spend any assets unless it’s for a higher impact player.

 

[pitseleh]

The Fowler pick swap means the Blues likely gave up closer to a high third. The prospect is 22 and in the ECHL so probably just a contract spot.

Fowler is a good piece at $4 million for this year and next.

Timing not great for the Canucks though for making the cap work.

 

[pitseleh]

I don’t think they are specific about which side of defence but don’t want to spend any assets unless it’s for a higher impact player.

Also think he’s the wrong kind of defender for this team. Isn’t a match up guy and needs a steady partner. The Blues probably expect him to bounce back with a steady partner like Parayko and they could probably use him on the PP.

 

[Vector]

The Fowler pick swap means the Blues likely gave up closer to a high third. The prospect is 22 and in the ECHL so probably just a contract spot.

Fowler is a good piece at $4 million for this year and next.

Timing not great for the Canucks though for making the cap work.

The weird thing is St. Louis acquiring him. They are .500 team. Even after the coaching change and getting Thomas back, they don’t track as being that close. They could trade him again but all the reporting was that the Ducks were going to move Fowler to a place he wants to be.

 

[Nick Lang]

Bear is an ahler, doesn't do nor add anything to this teams current iteration and direction.

He has not been able to stick on multiple nhl teams (including this one), not even in a seventh dmam role, frequently healthy scratched, waived, and demoted, now also overpaid significantly.

A dozen nhl teams are and have been looking for defensemen, some desperately, and yet none are after Ethan.
But also claiming such household name quality players like regula and mermis ..

Why some ppl are still even thinking about bear, let alone continuing to suggest him as any kind of solution here is laughable, he's just not good.

Bear is absolute rubbish. His name should be abolished from this board. Every team he plays on he is benched for others, now he is in the AHL. The only team he stuck on was ours on a march to one of the worst defenses in history. Just so awful. Yuck at even the thought.

 

[Nuckles]

The weird thing is St. Louis acquiring him. They are .500 team. Even after the coaching change and getting Thomas back, they don’t track as being that close. They could trade him again but all the reporting was that the Ducks were going to move Fowler to a place he wants to be.

Yeah, Fowler only had a 4 team trade list assuming he didn't give the Ducks some extra options. But if the Blues shit the bed and Fowler wants to go to a playoff team/expand that list, the Blues could get a good haul with a 2nd retention.

 

[Vector]

Fun article from The Athletic this morning. "Local" writers suggest a traget, James Mirtle decides the return, local writer then reviews the trade. There's two involving the Canucks.

WIll Borgen (Sea) for 2nd

Spoiler: Drance's Review:

The Canucks need additional help on defense — that’s been apparent all season — but it’s a need that’s about to be magnified over the medium term by Filip Hronek’s eight-week absence. Vancouver was going to need to bolster the right side of its back end anyway, but the Hronek situation ups the stakes. This front office is exceptionally aggressive about making in-season trades historically and has specifically moved proactively to boost its blue line in times of need — the club dealt for Nikita Zadorov in late November of 2023, for example, after Carson Soucy was injured. Among the pending unrestricted free-agent defenders, Borgen stands out. He’s relatively affordable cap-wise, he’s still relatively young (and would represent a potential long-term fit from a Vancouver perspective) and he’s a credible top-four option with enough offensive juice to potentially work as a fill-in caddy for Quinn Hughes on Vancouver’s top pair. He checks all the boxes. The Canucks seem to be pretty reticent about dealing significant futures or good young players for rental-type defenders, but a second-round pick for a player such as Borgen, who is young enough that the club might be willing to outbid other suitors for his services, would be a no-brainer. If the Kraken, who organizationally still have designs on competing for a playoff spot, decide to sell between now and the deadline, this would be a perfect fit at a reasonable enough price for the Canucks

Martin Fehervary or Travor van Riemdsyk for Nils Hoglander

Spoiler: Sean Gentille's Review:

As good as the Caps have been, they could use a bit more pop in their middle six. Höglander has some history as a play-driver, the ability to pop in 15 goals or so (last season’s hot streak aside), and at 23, could stick in the lineup for a few years. The question is whether it’d be worth sending back the defenseman that Vancouver requires; van Riemsdyk might make sense, as fellow right-shot Dylan McIlrath has given Washington some decent low-impact minutes.

 

[Jerry the great]

The Fowler pick swap means the Blues likely gave up closer to a high third. The prospect is 22 and in the ECHL so probably just a contract spot.

Fowler is a good piece at $4 million for this year and next.

Timing not great for the Canucks though for making the cap work.

You have to consider the team he's been playing for, but his underlying numbers over the last 100 games are pretty horrible. On a stronger team, deployed differently, the results should be different....but it's not like he's getting Parayko'd out there with tough minutes. They're leaning harder on other guys.

If he's deployed like Soucy has been, getting a lot of hard defensive matchups, is he going to do better?

Too much risk with that 2nd year at $4mm if he can't decisively bump Soucy into a bottom pair role.

 

[pitseleh]

You have to consider the team he's been playing for, but his underlying numbers over the last 100 games are pretty horrible. On a stronger team, deployed differently, the results should be different....but it's not like he's getting Parayko'd out there with tough minutes. They're leaning harder on other guys.

If he's deployed like Soucy has been, getting a lot of hard defensive matchups, is he going to do better?

Too much risk with that 2nd year at $4mm if he can't decisively bump Soucy into a bottom pair role.

I don’t think he made sense for this team, but he’s a tough one to evaluate based on the numbers because he’s mostly played with Lacombe and Zellweger and both have been worse when not playing with Fowler than when playing with him.

He’s still got the puck moving and PP chops but the question is whether he’s playable defensively where he doesn’t have to be the anchor or if he’s a trainwreck. Parayko does seem to be the perfect fit if it is going to work for him.

Canucks desperately need a defender (likely LS) that can carry a pairing, which Fowler probably isn’t (any more).

 

[Phrasing]

Fun article from The Athletic this morning. "Local" writers suggest a traget, James Mirtle decides the return, local writer then reviews the trade. There's two involving the Canucks.

WIll Borgen (Sea) for 2nd

Spoiler: Drance's Review:

The Canucks need additional help on defense — that’s been apparent all season — but it’s a need that’s about to be magnified over the medium term by Filip Hronek’s eight-week absence. Vancouver was going to need to bolster the right side of its back end anyway, but the Hronek situation ups the stakes. This front office is exceptionally aggressive about making in-season trades historically and has specifically moved proactively to boost its blue line in times of need — the club dealt for Nikita Zadorov in late November of 2023, for example, after Carson Soucy was injured. Among the pending unrestricted free-agent defenders, Borgen stands out. He’s relatively affordable cap-wise, he’s still relatively young (and would represent a potential long-term fit from a Vancouver perspective) and he’s a credible top-four option with enough offensive juice to potentially work as a fill-in caddy for Quinn Hughes on Vancouver’s top pair. He checks all the boxes. The Canucks seem to be pretty reticent about dealing significant futures or good young players for rental-type defenders, but a second-round pick for a player such as Borgen, who is young enough that the club might be willing to outbid other suitors for his services, would be a no-brainer. If the Kraken, who organizationally still have designs on competing for a playoff spot, decide to sell between now and the deadline, this would be a perfect fit at a reasonable enough price for the Canucks

Martin Fehervary or Travor van Riemdsyk for Nils Hoglander

Spoiler: Sean Gentille's Review:

As good as the Caps have been, they could use a bit more pop in their middle six. Höglander has some history as a play-driver, the ability to pop in 15 goals or so (last season’s hot streak aside), and at 23, could stick in the lineup for a few years. The question is whether it’d be worth sending back the defenseman that Vancouver requires; van Riemsdyk might make sense, as fellow right-shot Dylan McIlrath has given Washington some decent low-impact minutes.

I like the second one with Fehervary.