trading vd and his extra year means they will have to add a pick to get rid of his entire contract unless a team doesnt mind and takes his full caphit which would be better. heiens been a meh signing as well. he is rarely noticable at all most nights.
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Agreed on Suter and Sherwood. Heinen on the other hand is definitely expendable if there’s a legitimate argument to be made dumping him would allow us to achieve an improvement somewhere in the line up, like a top 4 dman or a top 6 player. Heinen just doesn’t provide enough of variety that both Suter and Sherwood bring to the line up and is more of a decent filler veteran rather than an actual role player.
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i want the bartkowski thread back
I wonder if we may have to swap Desharnais with another 2026 UFA making similar money.
Conor Sheary - 2M (currently in the AHL and Tampa appears to be low on RHD, this may be the best fit)
Ryan Lomberg - 2M
Noel Acciari - 1.85M
Alexandre Texier - 2.1M
Sam Lafferty - 2M (don't really see the point of doing this one but maybe management still likes him)
Ryan Poehling - 1.9M
Conor Sheary - 2M (currently in the AHL and Tampa appears to be low on RHD, this may be the best fit)
Ryan Lomberg - 2M
Noel Acciari - 1.85M
Alexandre Texier - 2.1M
Sam Lafferty - 2M (don't really see the point of doing this one but maybe management still likes him)
Ryan Poehling - 1.9M
don't really see the point of this. just moves the problem to a different part of the lineup. just give up a pick to get him off the books or send him to the ahl
my guess would be something like david savard 50% retained for desharnais and the 2026 2nd
habs get a pick for savard now, and then they can do it again with vinny next deadline
we get a cheaper, more playable vet that doesn't need to carry a top-4 pair here, but allows juulsen to not be full time
habs get a pick for savard now, and then they can do it again with vinny next deadline
we get a cheaper, more playable vet that doesn't need to carry a top-4 pair here, but allows juulsen to not be full time
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Why are people always ready to trade players when their value is at a low value is at a low?
Let's be clear. Your "bold and creative" trade idea is to trade a pending UFA center to a non playoff team with Thompson-Cozens-Mcleod down the middle. It's just not realistic.
Why are the Canucks "selling" at all? They're trying to make the playoffs. Suter has more value to them than in a trade. Suter is not going to command a big return, but he provides a lot of utility to Vancouver. It's just not realistic.
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Desharnais' value was highest on that high octane Edmonton Oilers team where their bottom 6 forwards last year did much of the heavy lifting defensively. His weaknesses are evident on our roster and there's tangible way to boost his value.
He's a RHD with size and who came off a good year. The sooner this franchise capitalizes on this "value" the better the chances are of trading him with no cap retention or picks.
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Other than his skating and his willingness to play the body, what's the appeal? isn't he more of what we already have: A guy that's not really able to tread water getting bottom pair minutes in sheltered situations, with some PK utility.
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I know he is considered ancient in hockey circles and his salary is not great but he had a fantastic season last year and I think he would work very well with JT/Brock in the playoffs, but I wouldn't hate adding somebody like Blake Coleman (retained) for 2 playoff runs.
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Cozens has been playing the wing and has been criticized for awhile about his ability to create down the middle. That is why they moved Kulich into the middle on that line. So far Kulich has struggled to produce.
No secret that the Sabres have been looking for veterans that can help settle an extremely young group of forwards. Pressure is on to make playoffs and it's likely they could retain Suter just as the NYI traded for Bo Horvat and then retained him. This is not a uncommon thing when a player fits.
Toronto wants to move Tavares to LW and their 3C is a 20yr old rookie.
Reports are of teams looking for Cs. There are plenty of suitors if the brass decides his ask for next year will be too high for us and we can fix some of our defence issues now that Miller is back and Sasson has shown well
Suter has value. Not trying to get rid of Suter he's been excellent this year. Just wouldn't be closed off to the idea of using his asset value and hot start vs draft picks for a stop gap D and then spending the picks on a permanent solution at LD
Both Suter and Jokiharju are free agents and represent a lateral move of needs vs paying futures. Samuelsson just came back for the Sabres. If it allows us to get rid of Desharnais and add Krebs as another C that we can retain that is cost controlled and young neither team loses a position just changes the strengths. Blueger Krebs Sasson Amen Raty hold down the depth and btm6 C positions.
I like Krebs and Jokiharju. I think both players are the typical lower down depth players that falter in a team like Buffalo that could excel now that they are coming into prime ages.
You may not like it and most are averse to trading Suter and i get it he's playing great has versatility and value. That value diminishes with each game towards free agency though and our D is a mess. After last night im sure the mentality has changed for the time being but it's not good enough for a long playoff run. We have forward depth and you have to give to get
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I can absolutely envision a scenario where Suter prices himself out of the roster with his next contract. But I don’t understand the anxiety of losing him without getting an asset back. His play and his surplus value is why he’s a great example of a self-rental for the playoffs.
Yes. If he plays his way off the team and wants to reward himself with a nice contract, I wish him the best and he will deserve it.
But teams with some designs on making noise in the playoffs aren't in the business of trading away very useful, cap-valuable contributors off the roster. The Canucks need to add contributors, not subtract them. Otherwise why would any team keep around rentals at all? They're gonna walk! You must maximize value now!
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1. Again, we very rarely see non-playoff teams trade for rentals midseason.
2. I don't think Krebs or Jokiharju are particularly good. I think Suter is a vastly more useful player than both of them, and trading him for players of that ilk is a downgrade that hurts the Canucks' competitiveness.
3. Related to point 2, if trading Suter only gets you decidedly mediocre players in return...why are the Canucks trading him at all? He's a great fit, provides a lot of utility, and is cheap. He is the exact kind of player the Canucks would be trying to add as a rental if they didn't already have him.
4. The Canucks aren't a seller. Why are you so obsessed with "maximizing value" for their own rentals? Should they trade Boeser midseason too? Gotta give to get, right?
I don't like it because it's a bad idea and doesn't make sense.
Miller
- Still the emotional leader of the Canucks
- No one has the emotional connection on the Canucks that Miller has
- His absence wasn’t easy on anyone
- The fans are insatiable and want Canucks news
- A lot of rumours that were not true, didn’t need to be discussed, or went over the line
- Everyone, including the Canucks, was wondering what this would look like when he returned;
- in the short-term this is not going to be a problem; connection is still pretty strong
- Will see where this goes over time and how this develops over time
- Garland, Sherwood, and Joshua are firy guys but no one, among the top players, has the spark of Miller
- Teams called on him and the Canucks told them “no” and that “Miller
- Canucks told teams it was kind of out of their control and don’t like the noise around the situation
- Miller has to bend and his teammates have to bend; everyone has to bend a little bit
- Will take the OT loss to the Blues and win against the Panthers
- Happy that Demko got out of the Blues game okay and that the spiritual connection between him and the fanbase wasn’t broken
- A lot to like what happened to the Canucks this week
- Have a lot of bodies
- Canucks make a lot of moves between the NHL & AHL; some is cap and some is have a lot of players on the fringe of the roster
- Has not worked with Vincent Desharnais and are trying to see if there’s a market for him; want to give him a soft landing somewhere else
- Looking to add a defenceman and a forward, at some point
- Getting mixed messages; want to see how the group looks with Miller & Demko but the Canucks also “want what they want” and want to move a couple of bodies
- Very aggressive and sometimes at the mercy of the other team
- Have to be on top of things for when another team wants to get a deal done right away
- A few different balls in the air; but isn’t 100% sure what the timelines are or how this is all going to go
- It’s been 14 years and he still loves watching them face each other
- Whenever he sees the two teams on the schedule he gets excited
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Suter is basically a poor man’s Lindholm at this point - plays all three forward positions up and down the lineup, provides PK and defensive utility, but a complementary scorer. If you lay their ES/PK individual and on-ice numbers from this season and last next to each other, they look nearly identical, except Suter scores at a higher rate at even strength (probably closer to even if you regress for his SH% bender this year) and Lindholm is better on faceoffs. Suter is often the third wheel on his line but so is Lindholm.
People were rightly happy that the team added Lindholm last year and should be similarly happy to pay the opportunity cost of keeping Suter around.
People were rightly happy that the team added Lindholm last year and should be similarly happy to pay the opportunity cost of keeping Suter around.
Mr. Canucklehead
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Friedman can be so frustrating. On the one hand says rumors got out of control and crossed the line, and then drops his weird little "Miller has to bend, everyone has to bend" comment that will do nothing but fan the flames of rumors. He can be such a hack sometimes.
Also, “will see where this goes over time and how this develops over time” just invites speculation too.
It's @pitseleh's point that really gets to me. The "bend" stuff will get play but that's been known and talked about for his entire career. He's intense and gets on guys but there needs to be a medium and everyone is aware of that. Nothing really new there. But the parts pitseleh highlights is click driving.
And I'm not entirely sure if Friedman is even thinking about that in the moment. Whether he's doing it on purpose, or not, all it does is add more fuel to the fire because of the platform he has.
yeah i have no idea what actually went down but this kind of reporting makes it seem like either miller is a problem in the room or they had to get miller out of the room because another player has a problem with him
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