GDT: Group B - May 8 - Finland (3) vs Czech Republic (4) (SO)

[Babula]

http://www.hetrik.sk/exkluzivne-zab...omylom-odpojil-prenosovu-skrinku-video/1-7176

For people who understand Czech or Slovak

haha. hated cables

 

[sooni]

Well everyone has seen how Ottawa is doing with this trap style playing... it is really good way to play hockey if your team is good enough and you are playing playoff hockey. Truth is that Finnish team cant play like Canada and Russia are playing... Players Skill setup is not good enough to do that.

We still need that 3-4 years more that we can actually play like our youngsters are playing. We need to just wait our defenders to get to their prime. Ristolainen-Vatanen
Juolevi-Lindell, Heiskanen-Välimäki, Honka-Vaakanainen etc. etc... It is taking some time but we are going there.

That is time when we actually can change even Karri Kivi to our Coach. Before that it is just waste of time.

We just have to wait now.

 

[JabbaJabba]

Haha ok, whatever. Thought it was an entertaining game mostly, 2nd goal by Finns was definitely a lucky one but so was Czech's 3rd one when it bounced around a bit but they deserved that luck. Finland had a chance to win the game but when you can't score on two breakaways and three shootout possibilities, you deserve to lose. Korpisalo was great but couldn't steal this one. Congratz Czechs, another loss for Finland and hopefully another step closer to firing Marjapussi.

Just noticed that both Finland and Sweden (with their almost Olympic level defense) have 4 points.

 

[sooni]

Just noticed that both Finland and Sweden (with their almost Olympic level defense) have 4 points.[/QUOTE]

Not even Almost that kind of defence. Karlsson is best defender in the world at this monent without any question.

Finland is missing Ristolainen-Vatanen, Lindell and Määttä... that is our top 4 defenders. Dont be silly

 

[joey16]

I think that Hadamczik is the Czech Marjamäki.

Haha not really.. Marjamäki has already actually won some title as a head coach..
Plus I think many pepole are overreacting here.. he's a young coach and he's very successful for his age, maybe he's not having such a good time right now but that could change soon.
And when we're at the Hadamczik comparison - I remember his first WHC 2006 in Riga where everybody was also bashing him during the preliminary round and eventually he came home with silver medals so...

 

[Jablkon]

Hockey is nowhere near as popular in the Czech Republic as some people think, the WC gets a lot of hype every year but that's about it.

?? What you mean? Look at the crowd there. Czechs were also one of loudest fans even in World cup. Its not like in Canada but its comparable to other top countries. Development is different story.

 

[Old Man Jags]

?? What you mean? Look at the crowd there. Czechs were also one of loudest fans even in World cup. Its not like in Canada but its comparable to other top countries. Development is different story.

This.

Ice hockey is immensely popular in the Czech Republic. It is no coincidence that the last ice hockey world championships held in the Czech Republic broke all attendance records, and I do not remember a single foreigner who was there who did not say something along the lines that the fans created the most electrifying atmosphere they had ever witnessed at an ice hockey game.

In Europe I cannot think of a single country where ice hockey is as popular as in the Czech Republic, other than perhaps Finland. Certainly not Sweden, Russia or other top ice hockey nations.

 

[Old Man Jags]

I knew it!!

Well, that's not quite true. But I did actually have a strong feeling after the goal to make it 1-3 that they would come back. I thought that if they can do it against any top team, it would be Finland. I am not sure why, I certainly do not underestimate Finland, and the Czechs have often done badly against them in recent years. But Finland seem kind of prone to losing big leads, recently for instance in the junior WC where they were up 5-1 against the Czechs and the Czechs equalised (lost in overtime 5-6, but still). Somehow I felt that they'd come back, show some character and win. After the Gudas goal to make it 2-3, I was really confident they would score again. Ahhh! What a relief!

That said, if the Czechs play like they did for 45 minutes against other elite teams, they will get slaughtered. They need to sort it out. Luckily they are very aware of it - Gudas said they would have conceded 8 goals if they had played against Canada like they did in the first period against Finland. Self-awareness does not mean they will manage to improve though, so let's see what happens. But this should be a great psychological boost at least.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Well, that's not quite true. But I did actually have a strong feeling after the goal to make it 1-3 that they would come back. .

I didn't watch the game. When my friends celebrated the goals to me, i wasn't happy, because i ****ing know this Finnish team. They get a lead and stop playing. That's how it goes. I'll start watching international games once Marjamäki is out.

 

[LiveeviL]

Haha ok, whatever. Thought it was an entertaining game mostly, 2nd goal by Finns was definitely a lucky one but so was Czech's 3rd one when it bounced around a bit but they deserved that luck. Finland had a chance to win the game but when you can't score on two breakaways and three shootout possibilities, you deserve to lose. Korpisalo was great but couldn't steal this one. Congratz Czechs, another loss for Finland and hopefully another step closer to firing Marjapussi.

Just noticed that both Finland and Sweden (with their almost Olympic level defense) have 4 points.

Ha if Sweden had this at the Olympics I would praise God, only Karlsson is lacking otherwise we are as loaded as can be and ever has been. I am disappoint...

 

[Old Man Jags]

I didn't watch the game. When my friends celebrated the goals to me, i wasn't happy, because i ****ing know this Finnish team. They get a lead and stop playing. That's how it goes. I'll start watching international games once Marjamäki is out.

Why do you think that is? I don't know much about the Finnish coach so would be interested in a Finnish fan's assessment. Who was the coach last year, when Finland won the silver medal? And why is that person no longer the coach?

Most Czechs do not particularly rate Jandac, the Czech coach. [MOD]

Also, it is about how well the other team plays and what they allow you to do. For example, yesterday the positioning of the Czech players was terrible when they conceded the first two goals. The second and third Finnish goals were a bit lucky as they both happened because of huge deflections, but at the same time they also happened because the Finns encouraged their luck and aggressively went for it. They therefore deserved their goals.

Towards the end, the Czechs suddenly started playing much better - they outshot Finland 17-2 in the third period. In the second period, the Czechs only managed 6 shots on goal, again for reasons attributable to both teams - the Czechs played badly and the Finns played well, just did not allow the Czechs to do anything. But as the Czechs improved a lot in the third period, Finnland suddenly looked very tired - I assume also because they had a day less rest than the Czechs.

 

[FiLe]

Well, that's not quite true. But I did actually have a strong feeling after the goal to make it 1-3 that they would come back. I thought that if they can do it against any top team, it would be Finland. I am not sure why, I certainly do not underestimate Finland, and the Czechs have often done badly against them in recent years. But Finland seem kind of prone to losing big leads, recently for instance in the junior WC where they were up 5-1 against the Czechs and the Czechs equalised (lost in overtime 5-6, but still). Somehow I felt that they'd come back, show some character and win. After the Gudas goal to make it 2-3, I was really confident they would score again. Ahhh! What a relief!

This Finnish team certainly deserved what was coming to it (after all, the shot difference in the 3rd was 17-2 in the Czechs' favor), and I've no sour grapes over it, but I still kinda take offense to you suggesting that Finns are constant chokers. (Because we aren't.) I'd appreciate it if you showed some sportsmanship and didn't gloat about that.

 

[Old Man Jags]

This Finnish team certainly deserved what was coming to it (after all, the shot difference in the 3rd was 17-2 in the Czechs' favor), and I've no sour grapes over it, but I still kinda take offense to you suggesting that Finns are constant chokers. (Because we aren't.) I'd appreciate it if you showed some sportsmanship and didn't gloat about that.

[MOD] I was just stating a simple opinion - I did genuinely think we might come back, and I would have thought that against other top teams, the prospects would have been lower. I did not think we would definitely come back - I thought that the chances were still a lot less than 50/50 (at least until it was 2-3, then I believed a lot more) - but I thought there was a chance. Down 0-3 against Canada, I would have thought that chances were close to 0%.

One game that was very fresh in my mind which I had not mentioned in the previous post is the very recent preparatory game for this tournament (27 April, so two weeks ago), where Finland also had two early goals (3. and 8. minute) to go 2-0 up, but the Czech Republic won 3-2. So our players had a very recent memory of going behind very quickly against Finland but winning in the end. That should help psychologically.

 

[Lempo]

This Finnish team certainly deserved what was coming to it (after all, the shot difference in the 3rd was 17-2 in the Czechs' favor), and I've no sour grapes over it, but I still kinda take offense to you suggesting that Finns are constant chokers. (Because we aren't.) I'd appreciate it if you showed some sportsmanship and didn't gloat about that.

The man has point. 2-0 and and if they let us go testudo, we will.

 

[KurtSloan]

This.

Ice hockey is immensely popular in the Czech Republic. It is no coincidence that the last ice hockey world championships held in the Czech Republic broke all attendance records, and I do not remember a single foreigner who was there who did not say something along the lines that the fans created the most electrifying atmosphere they had ever witnessed at an ice hockey game.

In Europe I cannot think of a single country where ice hockey is as popular as in the Czech Republic, other than perhaps Finland. Certainly not Sweden, Russia or other top ice hockey nations.

I agree.

There is some real positive atmosphere around Czech hockey (from fans, partners, TV, etc.) for last few years. I think it has restored at home WCH 2015. There is a warm relationship between National team and fans.

 

[Loffer]

The man has point. 2-0 and and if they let us go testudo, we will.

Hahah. Way to go, mr. Larry Berry Hill, pay your bill!

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Why do you think that is? I don't know much about the Finnish coach so would be interested in a Finnish fan's assessment. Who was the coach last year, when Finland won the silver medal? And why is that person no longer the coach?

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They dont have a leader. They dont hit, they dont drive to the net. There is no nobody to show example. Also Marjamäki is overcoaching them, there is no feeling, just robot hockey. The roster is not very good either.

A mickey mouse roster with a mickey mouse coach. Something goes wrong during the game and they just break.

 

[Old Man Jags]

They dont have a leader. They dont hit, they dont drive to the net. There is no nobody to show example. Also Marjamäki is overcoaching them, there is no feeling, just robot hockey. The roster is not very good either.

A mickey mouse roster with a mickey mouse coach. Something goes wrong during the game and they just break.

Well, I guess the roster is always pot luck and incredibly variable at this tournament - which NHL teams are out of the playoffs? Which players can be bothered to come after a long season? So I feel your pain, our team has the same issue every year (especially these days, because there are much fewer top Czech players than 10, 15 years ago). Canada can send several world class teams, we struggle much more than we used to if the top players are missing (though that said, this year is quite good, and in 2010 when we won gold most of the top players were away, but that is a rare accomplishment).

But who was your team's coach last year when they won silver? I am presuming not the current coach who is so unpopular.

 

[Ippenator]

Well, I guess the roster is always pot luck and incredibly variable at this tournament - which NHL teams are out of the playoffs? Which players can be bothered to come after a long season? So I feel your pain, our team has the same issue every year (especially these days, because there are much fewer top Czech players than 10, 15 years ago). Canada can send several world class teams, we struggle much more than we used to if the top players are missing (though that said, this year is quite good, and in 2010 when we won gold most of the top players were away, but that is a rare accomplishment).

But who was your team's coach last year when they won silver? I am presuming not the current coach who is so unpopular.

Last years coach was Kari Jalonen. Definitely a much better coach than Marjamäki. He does also like to play pretty safe with defensive style of hockey, but his play style is still more active and way more balanced than Marjamäki's. And K.Jalonen is a more outgoing personality and passionate coach than Marjamäki. But hey, a sloth would be more passionate than Marjamäki, so not much is really needed for that...

K.Jalonen took Sparta Praha in their last KHL season to the KHL finals, which is in my opinion a pretty impressive achievement. He is a pretty good coach in my opinion, but slightly too defence oriented in my opinion. I like much more Erkka Westerlund, Jukka Jalonen or Karri Kivi.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Well, I guess the roster is always pot luck and incredibly variable at this tournament - which NHL teams are out of the playoffs? Which players can be bothered to come after a long season? So I feel your pain, our team has the same issue every year (especially these days, because there are much fewer top Czech players than 10, 15 years ago). Canada can send several world class teams, we struggle much more than we used to if the top players are missing (though that said, this year is quite good, and in 2010 when we won gold most of the top players were away, but that is a rare accomplishment).

But who was your team's coach last year when they won silver? I am presuming not the current coach who is so unpopular.

Last years coach was Kari Jalonen. His coaching wasn't too liked either, but he got a very good roster and knew how to handle the players. Older, more experienced. Marjamäki was made in a factory.

 

[Old Man Jags]

Last years coach was Kari Jalonen. Definitely a much better coach than Marjamäki. He does also like to play pretty safe with defensive style of hockey, but his play style is still more active and way more balanced than Marjamäki's. And K.Jalonen is a more outgoing personality and passionate coach than Marjamäki. But hey, a sloth would be more passionate than Marjamäki, so not much is really needed for that...

K.Jalonen took Sparta Praha in their last KHL season to the KHL finals, which is in my opinion a pretty impressive achievement. He is a pretty good coach in my opinion, but slightly too defence oriented in my opinion. I like much more Erkka Westerlund, Jukka Jalonen or Karri Kivi.

Ah yes! He did a great job with Prague (not Sparta though, but Lev; Sparta is an old, traditional club that never played KHL, whereas Lev Praha was a new creation (formerly Poprad in Slovakia) which came and went quickly, just existed for a few years. But I liked them, the players showed character and made it all the way to the final with a much smaller budget than most of the Russian clubs.

 

[Ippenator]

Ah yes! He did a great job with Prague (not Sparta though, but Lev; Sparta is an old, traditional club that never played KHL, whereas Lev Praha was a new creation (formerly Poprad in Slovakia) which came and went quickly, just existed for a few years. But I liked them, the players showed character and made it all the way to the final with a much smaller budget than most of the Russian clubs.

Ah! Of course Lev Praha. Thanks for correcting. I will try to remember it correctly from now on.

 

[Old Man Jags]

Ah! Of course Lev Praha. Thanks for correcting. I will try to remember it correctly from now on.

I wouldn't worry about it - not many conversations will involve Lev Praha, which existed less long than my little daughter has been alive...