GDT: Group B - May 13 - Canada (2) vs Switzerland (3) OT

[KCC]

Of course they score 3 on 3. So much open ice. But seriously, kudos to the Swiss. That's what makes hockey so great. Upsets happen and often unlike the majority of other sports esp basketball where it's the same over and over winning and no one else stands a chance.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Wow miracle on ice by the Swiss. Canadas loss is first page headlines in sweden.

No miracle. Already won in Turin '06 2-0, lost only in the shoot out in Vancouver '10 3-2, won 4-1 at the WC in 2010 and 3-2 (SO) in 2012. They're often tight games.

But still it's very striking the fact that a team with no NHL players, beats a team that has folks like Parayko, Vlasic, Duchene, Couturier, Marner, Simmonds, Giroux, Mackinnon, Scheifele, Skinner, ROR, etc etc.

Well, I am happy about this one. But now we will be tired and lose vs Finland. Oh well.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Your statement is a typical example of NA arrogance, as you are implying that Canada can only lose games when they aren't trying their best to win.

Canada is a favorite in matchups against all other national teams, but even favorites lose from time to time, despite doing their best to win.

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The only thing that was being talked about in the statement, is both Canada and US taking teams lightly. When teams and athletes are looking ahead.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

Wow miracle on ice by the Swiss. Canadas loss is first page headlines in sweden.

2nd page in Switzerland...

 

[torero]

2nd page in Switzerland...

1st page.

It is sensational here !! Switzerland is becoming land of hockey ... more and more.

bye bye soccer ! (not really) ... but 1st page. sure.
And hockey attendance is on the rise .... we have the highest attendance in Europe. More than Sweden. (but less players ... although it is comming)

 

[albator71]

1st page.

It is sensational here !! Switzerland is becoming land of hockey ... more and more.

bye bye soccer ! (not really) ... but 1st page. sure.
And hockey attendance is on the rise .... we have the highest attendance in Europe. More than Sweden. (but less players ... although it is comming)

Absolutely

And I would dare to say that NLA might be 2nd best league tied with SHL after KHL.

It will be very interesting to see what NLA clubs do in this year CHL, I really think SC Bern has a great chance to go far.

 

[Hinterland]

Absolutely

And I would dare to say that NLA might be 2nd best league tied with SHL after KHL.

It will be very interesting to see what NLA clubs do in this year CHL, I really think SC Bern has a great chance to go far.

NLA is clearly better than SHL. Much more money involved. Also generates higher interest. Just compare the attendance. Top players generally, with very few exceptions, only go one way. From SHL to NLA.

SHL is the top development league though. Can't argue about that.

 

[QnebO]

NLA isnt that good. They 'never' win wen they play against Liiga or SHL. Its sure a good league but tbh, its far from KHL and perhaps equal with other top euro leagues. Many times, finn players make few months deal to NLA to avoid finnish 50% taxing and come back mid winter.

 

[scipio]

NLA isnt that good. They 'never' win wen they play against Liiga or SHL. Its sure a good league but tbh, its far from KHL and perhaps equal with other top euro leagues. Many times, finn players make few months deal to NLA to avoid finnish 50% taxing and come back mid winter.

Not sure why you write 'never': Davos won against Djurgårdens (1/2) and Linköpings HC (1/2), Lugano against Tappara (1/2), ZSC Lions against Lukko Rauma (2/2), Zug against HIFK Helsinki (2/2); Bern against JYP Jyväskylä (1/2, 1 draw). If I counted correctly, Swiss teams played 18 games against SHL/Liiga teams. They won 9 times, lost 6 times and 3 games were a draw.

 

[Tomas W]

Canada have a bit of a tradition with losing points to the Swiss in the round robin phase in the IIHF worlds, dont they?

 

[Tomas W]

NLA is clearly better than SHL. Much more money involved. Also generates higher interest. Just compare the attendance. Top players generally, with very few exceptions, only go one way. From SHL to NLA.

SHL is the top development league though. Can't argue about that.

Yet in that Champions hockey league, SHL teams dominate...when will the NLA teams show up for that one?

 

[Tomas W]

Not sure why you write 'never': Davos won against Djurgårdens (1/2) and Linköpings HC (1/2), Lugano against Tappara (1/2), ZSC Lions against Lukko Rauma (2/2), Zug against HIFK Helsinki (2/2); Bern against JYP Jyväskylä (1/2, 1 draw). If I counted correctly, Swiss teams played 18 games against SHL/Liiga teams. They won 9 times, lost 6 times and 3 games were a draw.

All I know that CHL existed for 3 seasons and all 3 season a SHL team won.

 

[hallonskal]

NLA is clearly better than SHL. Much more money involved. Also generates higher interest. Just compare the attendance. Top players generally, with very few exceptions, only go one way. From SHL to NLA.

SHL is the top development league though. Can't argue about that.

Two NLA teams has ever been to the semifinals of CHL, Davos lost 1-6 to Frölunda (SHL) and Fribourg-Gottéron lost 1-9 (!) against Frölunda (SHL) as well.

9 out of 12 teams that have ever played in the semifinals of CHL has been from either SHL or Liiga.

A SHL team has been the winner in all seasons of CHL.

Based on offical CHL-rankings it is SHL/Liiga > Czech Extraliga/NLA.

There's no way NLA is "clearly better" than SHL or Liiga. If any leagues look like they are better than the other than it is both SHL and Liiga that looks like they are better than NLA.

 

[scipio]

Sorry for offtopic discussion

All I know that CHL existed for 3 seasons and all 3 season a SHL team won.

So what? I've not argued that the NLA is better than SHL or Liiga. I've asked why someone would say that NLA teams 'never' win against SHL/Liiga teams, when the most recent data from the last CHL season shows a different picture.

PS: If you look at all champions hockey league seasons, then it's 3 times SHL one time NLA. Yes, I'm talking about that season where KHL teams competed as well

Based on offical CHL-rankings it is SHL/Liiga > Czech Extraliga/NLA.

There's no way NLA is "clearly better" than SHL or Liiga. If any leagues look like they are better than the other than it is both SHL and Liiga that looks like they are better than NLA.

I agree with this. But the gap between Liiga and NLA is probably smaller, than the gap between SHL and Liiga. Based on official rankings it's SHL (194) > Liiga (184), NLA (181) > Czech Extraliga (167)

 

[BruinLVGA]

Not sure why you write 'never': Davos won against Djurgårdens (1/2) and Linköpings HC (1/2), Lugano against Tappara (1/2), ZSC Lions against Lukko Rauma (2/2), Zug against HIFK Helsinki (2/2); Bern against JYP Jyväskylä (1/2, 1 draw). If I counted correctly, Swiss teams played 18 games against SHL/Liiga teams. They won 9 times, lost 6 times and 3 games were a draw.

Yup, a 58.3% winning percentage is far away from "never win".

Sorry for offtopic discussion



So what? I've not argued that the NLA is better than SHL or Liiga. I've asked why someone would say that NLA teams 'never' win against SHL/Liiga teams, when the most recent data from the last CHL season shows a different picture.

PS: If you look at all champions hockey league seasons, then it's 3 times SHL one time NLA. Yes, I'm talking about that season where KHL teams competed as well



I agree with this. But the gap between Liiga and NLA is probably smaller, than the gap between SHL and Liiga. Based on official rankings it's SHL (194) > Liiga (184), NLA (181) > Czech Extraliga (167)

When the ZSC Lions beat KHL's Metallurg Magnitogorsk in the finals. They even went on to beat the Chicago Blackhawks in the Victoria Cup.

 

[torero]

NLA isnt that good. They 'never' win wen they play against Liiga or SHL. Its sure a good league but tbh, its far from KHL and perhaps equal with other top euro leagues. Many times, finn players make few months deal to NLA to avoid finnish 50% taxing and come back mid winter.

Are you sure ?

This year is the only year the Swiss teams played the CHL seriously.

It was this year 2016/17

In the last 8 teams, 3 were Swiss.
In the Robin round, all (6) Swiss teams passed the Robin round and the first round.
Out of 48 european teams.

I don't call this "they loose all time".

Go back to the CHL page .

All I know that CHL existed for 3 seasons and all 3 season a SHL team won.

last season was won by Sparta Prague.

And the Swiss teams didn't play well, they didn't consider this seriously. So they went with like 1 week or less training time under the belt to start the new season. (This cup takes place in summer ... the idea was to allow teams to start the season and to replace the preseason games.

The only time they took it seriously, last year, the above result appeared. I could call this a dominant representation except that they didn't win ... they were all eliminated in the quarter final. But most arrived to the quarter final. (out of 48 Euroean teams).

 

[filip85]

NLA isnt that good. They 'never' win wen they play against Liiga or SHL. Its sure a good league but tbh, its far from KHL and perhaps equal with other top euro leagues. Many times, finn players make few months deal to NLA to avoid finnish 50% taxing and come back mid winter.

Well, it is good enough to beat Canada made of NHL players who are first/second liners in their clubs.


torero - Frolunda won it

 

[Hinterland]

Well, it is good enough to beat Canada made of NHL players who are first/second liners in their clubs.

...Some of the Swiss players, like for example Herzog who scored two goals yesterday, only play minor roles for their club.

 

[mosare]

Well, it is good enough to beat Canada made of NHL players who are first/second liners in their clubs.


torero - Frolunda won it

yep! and without any NHL players! NLA is probably the second best in europe, they just took the CHL not really serious, that's all!

 

[mosare]

...Some of the Swiss players, like for example Herzog who scored two goals yesterday, only play minor roles for their club.

he meant the canadiens not the swiss players

 

[Hinterland]

he meant the canadiens not the swiss players

Yeah. That's why I corrected my post when I read his for the 2nd time. Still a fun fact

 

[Eye of Ra]

NLA is clearly better than SHL. Much more money involved. Also generates higher interest. Just compare the attendance. Top players generally, with very few exceptions, only go one way. From SHL to NLA.

SHL is the top development league though. Can't argue about that.

Very few people would agree with you.

But yes, perhaps the top 10 players in NLA is better than top 10 players SHL, but only with 1 % other than that SHL have better players. I have also watched quite many NLA games and its not better hockey than in SHL. And if you look at Champions Hockey League, swedish teams are better. And when Team Sweden play games with SHL-players against Team Switzerland its often Sweden that wins.

NLA is however better than Liiga.

1: NHL
2: KHL
3: SHL
4: NLA
5: AHL
6: Liiga
7: DEL
8: Czech Extraliga

 

[Hinterland]

Very few people would agree with you.

But yes, perhaps the top 10 players in NLA is better than top 10 players SHL, but only with 2 % other than that SHL have better players. I have also watched quite many NLA games and its not better hockey than in SHL. And if you look at Champions Hockey League, swedish teams are better. And when Team Sweden play games with SHL-players against Team Switzerland its often Sweden that wins.

Like others said before...Swiss teams don't care enough about that kind of tournament. There's only pride to win and it interfers with the league schedule. At the start you only play weak teams and then you have to go far north or east to play games. It's just not attractive and teams often don't care much and rest their best players by not or hardly playing them.
ZSC won the only real CHL in 08/09. Wouldn't overrate the results of the current CHL where there's not enough money involved for certain teams to actually care.

 

[QnebO]

Well, it is good enough to beat Canada made of NHL players who are first/second liners in their clubs.


torero - Frolunda won it

Because finnish b or c teams never beat Canada Russia ect in whc Or because Liiga teams never won NHL teams Or because Liiga arenas are full in chl

Swiss is good, as is their league legit, but youre getting carried away after one win against Canada.

 

[filip85]

Because finnish b or c teams never beat Canada Russia ect in whc Or because Liiga teams never won NHL teams Or because Liiga arenas are full in chl

Swiss is good, as is their league legit, but youre getting carried away after one win onas Canada.

One win ? 2006 - only two NHL-ers in roster at Olympics - won 2:0

2010. - Olympics - without Josi, only Streit and Hiller from NHL, went to SO. Same year WC 4:1 win with nearly 15 players missing from OG roster.

2013. - 3:2 win after SO



Pretty solid record for league that "isnt that good".