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GDT: Group B - May 13 - Canada (2) vs Switzerland (3) OT

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pukovnik said:
One win ? 2006 - only two NHL-ers in roster at Olympics - won 2:0

2010. - Olympics - without Josi, only Streit and Hiller from NHL, went to SO. Same year WC 4:1 win with nearly 15 players missing from OG roster.

2013. - 3:2 win after SO

:)
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So? It is, ofcourse, respectable, but as well Finland and sweden have beat Canadians too, that cant make nla clearly better than say SHL.

Finns also always lack nhl players. Best in long time was at home games, with four NHLers.

We won gold with one NHLer in 11, all key roles outside koivu were Liiga. Immonen, granlund, pesonen, lajunen, pillu ect all euro team with liiga players in key roles.
 
BruinLVGA said:
No miracle. Already won in Turin '06 2-0, lost only in the shoot out in Vancouver '10 3-2, won 4-1 at the WC in 2010 and 3-2 (SO) in 2012. They're often tight games.

But still it's very striking the fact that a team with no NHL players, beats a team that has folks like Parayko, Vlasic, Duchene, Couturier, Marner, Simmonds, Giroux, Mackinnon, Scheifele, Skinner, ROR, etc etc.

Well, I am happy about this one. But now we will be tired and lose vs Finland. Oh well.
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I was going to say what's striking is the Swiss won with Hiller in net but he was pulled early. Their other goalie was the difference.
 
madmike77 said:
I was going to say what's striking is the Swiss won with Hiller in net but he was pulled early. Their other goalie was the difference.
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Genoni is a really good goalie but I wouldn't say that he was the difference. I'm not a great fan of Hiller but it wasn't his fault that Canada scored two early ones. I also can't think of outstanding Saves by Genoni. Canada hat lots of shots but not many high quality chances really. Genoni was solid but he wasn't the difference. Canada, much like the game vs France, just wasn't good enough. And the reason for that is, in my view, still the absence of Tyson Barrie. He was the motor of the team and the one who created chances.
 
Hinterland said:
NLA is clearly better than SHL. Much more money involved. Also generates higher interest. Just compare the attendance. Top players generally, with very few exceptions, only go one way. From SHL to NLA.

SHL is the top development league though. Can't argue about that.
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That probably has a lot to do with why the money is better in the NLA. Most young players who would be due for big contracts in the SHL are drained to the NHL instead, which neither the SHL or NLA can compete with in terms of salary.
 
Hinterland said:
Like others said before...Swiss teams don't care enough about that kind of tournament. There's only pride to win and it interfers with the league schedule. At the start you only play weak teams and then you have to go far north or east to play games. It's just not attractive and teams often don't care much and rest their best players by not or hardly playing them.
ZSC won the only real CHL in 08/09. Wouldn't overrate the results of the current CHL where there's not enough money involved for certain teams to actually care.
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Exactly !

CHL games you have ... 1 or 2 thousands fans, NLA you have 7 thousand average.
(bern 16 thousand, Zurich 10 thousand ... )

attendance here.

It is just uninteresting at the club level.
the 16/17 season, they made efforts because their fans complained ... they were ridiculed in the previous season.
and the effort showed in the results. All first rounds, they were dominant.
 
This sounds reasonable, but I think that the difference between the NHL and the KHL is a lot larger than between the KHL and the NLA.

Although this is not surprising since the foreigner limits mean that you don't have a syphoning of players into the best leagues, but rather the leagues remain 80% local players.
 
torero said:
Exactly !

CHL games you have ... 1 or 2 thousands fans, NLA you have 7 thousand average.
(bern 16 thousand, Zurich 10 thousand ... )

attendance here.

It is just uninteresting at the club level.
the 16/17 season, they made efforts because their fans complained ... they were ridiculed in the previous season.
and the effort showed in the results. All first rounds, they were dominant.
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Good point. Attendance demonstrates the relevance of the CHL brilliantly. Not many actually care in Switzerland. Of course the clubs feel the same if there's little money involved.

I think the 08/09 edition was pretty lucrative as it was sponsered by Gazprom. ZSC Lions played those games that the same way as if they were playoff games. I haven't quite seen that kind of urgency from Swiss teams in later editions. Having said that, I've pretty much stopped watching myself.
 
QnebO said:
So? It is, ofcourse, respectable, but as well Finland and sweden have beat Canadians too, that cant make nla clearly better than say SHL.

Finns also always lack nhl players. Best in long time was at home games, with four NHLers.

We won gold with one NHLer in 11, all key roles outside koivu were Liiga. Immonen, granlund, pesonen, lajunen, pillu ect all euro team with liiga players in key roles.
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How is he? Lugano just hired him for next season. Scouting report, plz?
 
madmike77 said:
I was going to say what's striking is the Swiss won with Hiller in net but he was pulled early. Their other goalie was the difference.
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He leads the whole tournament with a 95.78% sv%, he was a big factor (I wonder if any NHL team might have some interest for him, if he keeps it up...), but the team could have sat back and lost. They all tried hard.
 
Bit of a disappointment yesterday but we still got a point, hopefully we'll pick up our play tomorrow vs. Norway.
 
Good job Switzerland. One of those teams that give Canada a run for their money EVERYTIME no matter how many 'superstars' we have in our lineup.
 
eNTe17 said:
Even mentioning the goaltending is ridiculous.

If you cant pot more than 2 goals vs Switzerland as Canada you deserve to lose, period.
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So we can't even discuss about our weaknesses? Of course Canada deserved to lose and goaltending wasn't the main cause in this game, but it IS nonetheless a problem and if our goaltender can't stop a weak shot from the Swiss, how he's going to fair against more talented teams like Russia or the USA?
 
Rabid Ranger said:
The NA arrogance is glaring. You have to respect your opponent in these tournaments as even the weakest of the lot can give you a hard time on any given day.
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If there is arrogance, it is YOU who think Switzerland can't possibly win against Canada unless Canada took it lightly. Canada in fact often has trouble against the Swiss, this isn't new. Have more respect for the Swiss and give them the credit for beating Canada with their talent instead of thinking that Canada was not taking it seriously.
 
Switzerland always seems to punch above their apparent weight in international competitions in a variety of sports. Well-coached and underrated sports nation.
 
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