Greater franchise out of the 2: Detroit or Toronto?
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hamzarocks
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Its detroit
Leafs for O6 are only ahead of NYR due to NYR lack of cups and not having an all time great player in history (leetch is not on the level of Lidstrom, Yzerman, Howe, or Orr, Esposito, Shore or Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Roy, Dryden, Lafleur, or Mikita, Bobby Hull, and Messier didnt play long enough to be a NYR legend only)
Habs, Bruins, Wings and Hawks all have better/greater individual players all time and have more succsess recently with sustained contention periods post 1967
Leafs for O6 are only ahead of NYR due to NYR lack of cups and not having an all time great player in history (leetch is not on the level of Lidstrom, Yzerman, Howe, or Orr, Esposito, Shore or Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Roy, Dryden, Lafleur, or Mikita, Bobby Hull, and Messier didnt play long enough to be a NYR legend only)
Habs, Bruins, Wings and Hawks all have better/greater individual players all time and have more succsess recently with sustained contention periods post 1967
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Franchise success isn't just determined by how many cups you've won. Unfortunately, popularity and revenue can't be lover looked. If you want to look at success after expansion, the answer becomes easier to point to. But as an operating franchise with longevity, you have to take in everything and it becomes much harder to just point and choose success on the ice since expansion.
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Leafs are several tiers ahead of NYR.
Rangers were the clear cut worst team in the 06 era.
One Cup in last 80 years.
Exactly, greater meaning what? If we're talking better franchise overall in time? Leafs are better franchise in it's history but Wings been better in winning cups in last 3 decades.
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As others have mentioned, what criteria is being used for this question? If talking about which franchise has had most recent success (Stanley Cups) then its without a doubt the Red Wings.
If the question was posed to the entity that is the NHL, if one of these teams had to cease operations forever immediately, who do you think the NHL would choose? Does that mean the Leafs are a greater franchise because they bring more profit/revenue-sharing to the rest of the league?
If the question was posed to the entity that is the NHL, if one of these teams had to cease operations forever immediately, who do you think the NHL would choose? Does that mean the Leafs are a greater franchise because they bring more profit/revenue-sharing to the rest of the league?
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If you compare the franchises recently, as others have said Detroit wins by a landslide's landslide.
But if you compare both franchises from now, to the very beginning of their respective histories, Toronto actually has a bit more team success and overall a stronger team legacy.
The Leafs had two true-blue dynasties in the 40s (5 Cups in 7 years is ridiculous) and 60s (3 straight Cups)
The Wings had their unarguable 1950s dynasty (4 Cups in 6 years), and then they had amazing teams in the late 90s and 2000s, but I wouldn't call that period "dynasty years" for them.
And that's the difference between the two for me. Not to mention that the Red Wings were dead in the water missing the playoffs for many years in a row from 1966 to 1987, an arguably worse playoffs drought than the Leafs have ever known.
Although, the Red Wings have definitely seen more "marquis" names than the Leafs, with Howe, Lidstrom, Yzerman, Sawchuk, Delvecchio, etc.
Oh, and they have won much more recently than the Leafs, so we can't point to the last time they won a cup and ask if a majority of the people on this board were even born when it last happened.
But yeah, humor and "sexy names" aside I'd still say that overall the Leafs have a bigger legacy, and have their two dynasties to fall back on vs. only the one for the Wings.
But if you compare both franchises from now, to the very beginning of their respective histories, Toronto actually has a bit more team success and overall a stronger team legacy.
The Leafs had two true-blue dynasties in the 40s (5 Cups in 7 years is ridiculous) and 60s (3 straight Cups)
The Wings had their unarguable 1950s dynasty (4 Cups in 6 years), and then they had amazing teams in the late 90s and 2000s, but I wouldn't call that period "dynasty years" for them.
And that's the difference between the two for me. Not to mention that the Red Wings were dead in the water missing the playoffs for many years in a row from 1966 to 1987, an arguably worse playoffs drought than the Leafs have ever known.
Although, the Red Wings have definitely seen more "marquis" names than the Leafs, with Howe, Lidstrom, Yzerman, Sawchuk, Delvecchio, etc.
Oh, and they have won much more recently than the Leafs, so we can't point to the last time they won a cup and ask if a majority of the people on this board were even born when it last happened.
But yeah, humor and "sexy names" aside I'd still say that overall the Leafs have a bigger legacy, and have their two dynasties to fall back on vs. only the one for the Wings.
KirkAlbuquerque
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“Several tiers” lmao
And the leafs are the clear cut worst team of the modern era which matters way more.
O6 era is fugazi and everyone knows it. The NFL only really cares about things in the Super Bowl Era, no one gives a shit that the Browns won a bunch of titles in the 50s.
And no one should care that the Leafs won a bunch of titles when there was no competition besides Montreal.
Since expansion
Leafs: 0 cups, 0 finals appearances
Rangers: 1 cup, 4 finals appearances
It’s not great, but it’s way better than the Leafs.
jigglysquishy
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I care about hockey all the way back to the 1890s. If you don't care about O6 then I just feel sorry for you.
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Leafs have 13 Cups, Detroit 11. So it's Leafs but it's very close, if the Wings tie that total up it definitely swings in their favour.
KirkAlbuquerque
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its nice for a history lesson, but mickey mouse cups should't count towards how "great" a franchise is.
Detroit smokes Toronto in this case
hamzarocks
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Leafs are clearly ahead
NYR are the worst O6 franchise in cup wins, and historical players
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I seem to recall more than one President's Trophy for NY as well.
Leafs: 0 President's Trophy wins in franchise history.
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