WJC: Going to 12 teams
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Generally I like tournaments that have more teams. I like the fact that the Olympics has more teams. I also find that 10 teams is an odd number and that 12 would make more sense.
However, I also think that all you'd be doing is adding two more teams that have absolutely no shot at winning the tournament and a minimum chance at best to even play for a medal. We'd see more games, which would be a positive. It'd be interesting to see Denmark and Germany play each other for example. However a lot more blowouts will happen. Adding 2 teams (like Germany, Belarus, Austria, Norway, etc.) basically gives teams like Canada another free space on the BINGO card.
However, I also think that all you'd be doing is adding two more teams that have absolutely no shot at winning the tournament and a minimum chance at best to even play for a medal. We'd see more games, which would be a positive. It'd be interesting to see Denmark and Germany play each other for example. However a lot more blowouts will happen. Adding 2 teams (like Germany, Belarus, Austria, Norway, etc.) basically gives teams like Canada another free space on the BINGO card.
LeafChief
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I say do it.
This is how the other teams get better.
Look at the strides that Switzerland has taken over the last decade. They can play with anyone at these tournaments now and have been producing high end NHL draft picks.
Denmark is also showing very well over the last few tournaments. Playing against the top talent rather than beating up on garbage teams every other year in the 1A pool isn't ideal.
Realistically, Germany should be up in the big pool every year. They have talent and the talent only gets better by playing against tougher competition.
This is how the other teams get better.
Look at the strides that Switzerland has taken over the last decade. They can play with anyone at these tournaments now and have been producing high end NHL draft picks.
Denmark is also showing very well over the last few tournaments. Playing against the top talent rather than beating up on garbage teams every other year in the 1A pool isn't ideal.
Realistically, Germany should be up in the big pool every year. They have talent and the talent only gets better by playing against tougher competition.
why not
I'm not sure how would they do it with the schedule, probably adding 3-4 more days.
it's good for development, these are all juniors and to get that kind of experience for 4 more countries each year is worth considering.
I'm not sure how would they do it with the schedule, probably adding 3-4 more days.
it's good for development, these are all juniors and to get that kind of experience for 4 more countries each year is worth considering.
nhlfan9191
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There's already to many teams that come to this tournament to get their **** kicked in. Its not a positive thing for kids to have the score run up on them. It's not entertaining to watch your country embarrass a smaller hockey country. Things are fine now. This way they get to enjoy the process of qualifying.
It's taken decades for this tournament to get to the point where the blowouts are minimal. As some of these smaller nations continue to develop their hockey programs, I do see a future for a bigger field of teams, but not quite yet. The scheduling will remain a bit of an obstacle to expanding, however.
tobu
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I also say no particularly at this age category. For kids of the smaller nations to get their arse kicked by a 6+ goal margin is no fun and is detrimental to their confidence and motivation. I say keep it as is, and wait for the teams that jump up and down to stabilize their youth programs become more competitive. Latvia had a pretty decent team this year, but loosing 1-9, 2-10 is still a blow out. I think we're still at least 10 years away from going to 12 teams in this age category.
Really, is that why they are not in the top division for the last few years. Some years they are alright, others not so much, so no, they don't deserve to always be there, if they were good enough this year they would have been promoted.
It's still best to keep the format as is, as right now there is only 1 really bad team every year, the lower teams neeed to play at their level, so that's why the lower division is there for them, getting blown out doesn't really help.
You go with 12 teams have 3 pools of 4 teams each team plays 3 round robin games and for play offs top 2 from each pool plus two wild cards you end up with cutting days not adding.
BalticWarrior
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Eventhough it would be beneficial for us i would be against this. I mean our team could easily crush teams like Norway or Germany, what do you think is gonna happen when they play Sweden for example?
Holden Caulfield
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You could also take a page kinda from how the WC used to operate.
You do 4 pools of 3. You play two games against the rest of your pool. Top 2 seeds of A and B pools combined to make Group E where you'd play 2 more round robin games against the two teams coming from other pool (your game result against other qualifying team in pool still counts in new Group). Same thing with C and D combining to make Group F. Then have medal rounds from those two groups of 4 however you want (true top 8 quarters, or have 1st get a bye and 4th place from those pools knocked out). Bottom team in each of the preliminary groups heads to the relegation group.
That would keep 4 games for every team in tournament (5 if you did true 8 team quarterfinals).
GKJ
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Finland being in the relegation round doesn't mean the system is broken, it means the system is working. The next step should be allowing the promoted team to use all of the players that got them promoted, whether that be forcing the lower divisions into a U-19 format, allowing them to use 20YOs, or a qualification phase. It wasn't that many years ago that people here made threads and the more respected media types claim the other countries weren't getting better and the tournament should be contracted. Denmark being able to tread water against these teams who get way more funding and resources for their programs is evidence that growing countries need more opportunities to play tougher competition. Even right now, they probably have a better program than Slovakia does. But there also isn't yet the depth to expand the tournament, we still see the same countries get promoted year after year.
I'd keep it at 10. It's good the way it is. We already increased the amount of games played a little bit recently by not giving group winners a free pass to semis.
Habs76
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I don't agree with expanding the tourney at this point in time. But I'd like to see the promotional games happen before wjhc so that the best promoted team comes.
Rather than adding teams, I would like to go previous system where only three teams advanced from the groups. Relegation round as it was, but no one would actually be relegated. Instead, two worst of that group would play with two best of lower division and then these teams would play round-robin tournament in February, with two places available for the next tournament. The February tournament would be played with the players who would be eligible for the next WJC.
I already thought last year that Belarus would have in 2017 WJC than in 2016. Well - last year they were in the top division and got relegated, this year in lower division and got promoted. So I was kind of correct.
I already thought last year that Belarus would have in 2017 WJC than in 2016. Well - last year they were in the top division and got relegated, this year in lower division and got promoted. So I was kind of correct.
Eye of Ra
Grandmaster General of the International boards
Yeah, there is quality for it.
Canada
USA
Russia
Slovakia
Latvia
Germany
Sweden
Finland
Czech
Switzerland
Denmark
Norway
Austria, Belarus and Kazakhstan is decent aswell.
Canada
USA
Russia
Slovakia
Latvia
Germany
Sweden
Finland
Czech
Switzerland
Denmark
Norway
Austria, Belarus and Kazakhstan is decent aswell.
Im danish and i say no...i think 10 is a really good number for this age group....i also think that the world championships 16 teams works pretty well for thst y
tournament...dont fix somwthing thats not broken.
Denmarks development isnt stopped if they go down one year....i think the system works right now and fits the competion..
If denmark or switzerland surpassed another nation, they will just take their place and push somebody else down.
But i really dont get people who want less that 10 teams at the world juniors....
This years tournament have had competitive games for maybe 90% of all games...why have less teams?
tournament...dont fix somwthing thats not broken.
Denmarks development isnt stopped if they go down one year....i think the system works right now and fits the competion..
If denmark or switzerland surpassed another nation, they will just take their place and push somebody else down.
But i really dont get people who want less that 10 teams at the world juniors....
This years tournament have had competitive games for maybe 90% of all games...why have less teams?
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