Goalie Conundrum thread (2013 edition)

[Illinihockey]

Except he replaced Gerber and played Conne Smythe caliber hockey. Again, he was a goalie. Watching games tells you so much more than stats ever could.

I'll ask again. Do you really believe that Cam Ward is a comparable talent to Corey Crawford?

He had a great playoff run, but he wasn't good that regular season, the next regular season, or the one after that.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

So... Crawford is just as good as Cam Ward?

 

[Illinihockey]

So... Crawford is just as good as Cam Ward?

Please tell me when I said that

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Marc Andre-Fleury, Jimmy Howard, Cam Ward, Antti Niemi are all average at best goalies, a couple of whom had dynamic playoff runs they haven't repeated. I think Tim Thomas is the only post lock out goalie that has a career save % over .920

If Cam Ward is average at best, what does that make Crawford?

 

[BobbyJet]

I see Bishop started last night and didn't have the best of nights. Get on the phone Stan and see if we can grab him for cheap.

 

[Bubba88]

I think people have forgot some of the awful goals Niemi let in during that cup run. He came up huge in game 1 against the Sharks and game 2 against the Flyers but other than that he was not great. Under .900 save% in 3 games against Nashville (out of 6), 3 games against Vancouver (out of 6), 1 game against the Sharks (out of 4) and 5!! games against Philly (out of 6).

in the end, he made the key saves at the key moments. He has proven it. That's the difference. Crawford so far has failed to do it. Just think about the stop against Carter in game 6. Or the last 10 minutes + OT in this game. Niemi made the saves.



not sure who brought it up, but Crawford at his best is Cam Ward being average or having an off night...

 

[Illinihockey]

If Cam Ward is average at best, what does that make Crawford?

Cam Ward was average at best until he was about 24, Craig Anderson was terrible for several years. Goalies get better, but when he won the Cup, Cam Ward wasn't a consistently great goalie

 

[Sarava]

Crawford has been proving me wrong so far. Hopefully he keeps proving me wrong. Good start for him.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Crawford is the man! Emery still a major issue, same as last year.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

Crawford is the man! Emery still a major issue, same as last year.

But it's only a minor issue, since barring an injury to Crawford, he won't see a second in the playoffs.

 

[ColdSteel2]

The goal is to win every game, never throw away a shift or even a second, especially on purpose.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

The goal is to win every game,

No...the goal is to win the Cup.

 

[Sevanston]

No...the goal is to win the Cup.

And Huet didn't stop us there.

Cue an argument about who's better, Huet or Emery.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

And Huet didn't stop us there.

Cue an argument about who's better, Huet or Emery.

Emery, simply because of the cap room he leaves over Huet.

 

[Bubba88]

Craw, keep it up and prove me wrong.

 

[Sir Psycho T]

Cam Ward was average at best until he was about 24, Craig Anderson was terrible for several years. Goalies get better, but when he won the Cup, Cam Ward wasn't a consistently great goalie

Crawford is 28.

 

[CS85]

Crawford is still the same old Crawford as before, he simply has defense accommodating him as well as a scoring offense that rarely showed it's face last season.

Once the goals dry up (they will) and/or the defense falters (maybe?), it's going to be on him to handle a stretch of games where he'll be the only bastion between a win and a loss. I don't personally think he has the confidence in himself to handle that for a duration.

Emery is a total liability, and I have no clue if Karlsson is an upgrade from him or not. That being said, what we've seen in the past from Bowman indicates that the Hawks will likely be quiet at the deadline, barring some insane meltdown/Bowman takes up snorting coke.

 

[Cullksinikers]

The Hawks should still pursue a backup option. I honestly think they believe Crawford is the guy. However, if something happens to "the guy" at some point, I want a respectable backup.

 

[KyleJRM]

in the end, he made the key saves at the key moments.

He failed to make a ton of key saves in a ton of key moments. You just get a lot of extra chances when your team puts up six in front of you.

 

[Illinihockey]

Crawford is 28.

I know this, holy crap people go back and look what I wrote to start all of this. Cam Ward wasn't Cam Ward when they won the Cup. At that point he was a young, inexperienced goaltender who wouldn't become a great goalie for several years. The point was a lot of average goalies have won the Cup and if you look at their regular season numbers in the years they won the Cup, the data bears that out.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Crawford is the man! Emery still a major issue, same as last year.

Wrong, the back-up goalie is the last thing we should worry about with the way Crow is playing. We only really need to worry about it if Crow starts to falter.

And last year, Emery wasn't an issue at all. 15wins, 9 losses.

 

[Illinihockey]

Wrong, the back-up goalie is the last thing we should worry about with the way Crow is playing. We only really need to worry about it if Crow starts to falter.

And last year, Emery wasn't an issue at all. 15wins, 9 losses.

Agreed, if we're giving up assets, its not going to be for a back up goalie. People need to come to grips that if Emery faulters, Karlsson will be the back up.

 

[hockeydoug]

Agreed, if we're giving up assets, its not going to be for a back up goalie.

I hope they don't give up anything else for a backup.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Agreed, if we're giving up assets, its not going to be for a back up goalie. People need to come to grips that if Emery faulters, Karlsson will be the back up.

This team looks like a contender, does that also mean we need to come to grips with the fact that if Crawford gets hurt, the whole season is completely ****ed and we start talking about next year before the games are even over with?

You don't see something horribly wrong with that fact?

All because we didn't secure a solid second option?

Nevermind the implications of seeding even if Crow does stay healthy.

 

[ColdSteel2]

I hope they don't give up anything else for a backup.

Else? Like what, in addition to the 7th rounder? **** that, empty at least a 2nd that we absolutely DO NOT need for a decent second option.