Ernie
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Hope he doesn't stop speaking his mind because the media are hounding him to get a sound bite.
Post-Game Talk: GM 27 | Blues def. Canucks | 4-3 (OT) (Joshua, Pettersson, DeBrusk) | Extra time is not our friend.
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Hope he doesn't stop speaking his mind because the media are hounding him to get a sound bite.
kanucks25
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Didn't we give up like at least 3 breakaways and a partial 2-on-0? Plus some uncontested shots from dead in the slot.
Not saying Demko shouldn't have had at least one back but I wouldn't say goaltending was the only reason we lost this game.
I don't know if it's the system or the personnel or what, but they struggle to manufacture chances. THey didn't get a shot in the 3rd until the 10 minute mark. It's a consistent pattern for them - they can't generate enough offence despite their skill. They dump and chase but tend to lose possession more often than gain it when they do. I don't think that's the whole problem, but it's potentially one aspect of it.
kanucks25
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Not saying coaches can't make better decisions - playing both Desharnais and Friedman over Brannstrom is definitely a bad one - but I don't know how you can watch this game and actually think it's the coaches that were the reason they performed like they did.
Ferraro mentioned it multiple times on the broadcast: all night the Canucks couldn't make tape to tape passes consistently. Suter had that short-distance pass at center ice with nobody pressuring neither he nor the receiver and he sent it 5 feet out of the guy's reach. Pretty much every D-man took turns getting caught flat-footed or falling down at our blueline leading to an odd-man rush / grade A chance.
The personnel we have on D makes it impossible to transition the puck cleanly on a regular basis and most nights we only have like 2 forwards going and 1 is usually Garland. Petey picked up 2 big points today but I thought both he and Boeser were pretty quiet again 5-on-5.
2 AHL forwards in the lineup every night, 3 if you count Hoglander outside of his first handful of games to start the season. 3 AHL D-men in the lineup tonight + 2 essentially bottom-pair guys + Hughes. Whenever Hughes isn't on the ice the forwards have no help from the D in the offensive zone, chances are the play is going to die if they pass it up to the point.
Need Miller back but more importantly this team needs help on D immediately. They needed help on D before Hronek went down. It's gone from a need to an emergency.
Ferraro mentioned it multiple times on the broadcast: all night the Canucks couldn't make tape to tape passes consistently. Suter had that short-distance pass at center ice with nobody pressuring neither he nor the receiver and he sent it 5 feet out of the guy's reach. Pretty much every D-man took turns getting caught flat-footed or falling down at our blueline leading to an odd-man rush / grade A chance.
The personnel we have on D makes it impossible to transition the puck cleanly on a regular basis and most nights we only have like 2 forwards going and 1 is usually Garland. Petey picked up 2 big points today but I thought both he and Boeser were pretty quiet again 5-on-5.
2 AHL forwards in the lineup every night, 3 if you count Hoglander outside of his first handful of games to start the season. 3 AHL D-men in the lineup tonight + 2 essentially bottom-pair guys + Hughes. Whenever Hughes isn't on the ice the forwards have no help from the D in the offensive zone, chances are the play is going to die if they pass it up to the point.
Need Miller back but more importantly this team needs help on D immediately. They needed help on D before Hronek went down. It's gone from a need to an emergency.
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I bet Hughes’ numbers with our fourth line are equal (if not better) than our first lines numbers with the bottom 4 (on aggregate). Should give people some perspective on how bad the d is and just how badly they’re tanking everyone else’s results.
Soucy and Myers aren’t fourth liners, but their results without a semi competent PMD are just brutal this year.
While management deserved credit for the Soucy/Zadorov/Cole deals last year, they deserve equal blame for putting together this tirefire behind Hughes this year.
To put in perspective how bad a 42% ES Corsi is, we’re farther behind Chicago (44.5%) than they are behind Vegas (46.5%). It would be the worst figure in the league in the last 10 years outside the 2014/2015 Sabers, and no one else is below 43%.
It’s why I keep calling the situation untenable - I don’t know how the forwards are supposed to do anything other than defend when the defense can’t pass, or how Tocchet is supposed to coach any sort of offensive gameplan.
Like you mentioned, part of the problem is definitely personnel but the lack of any offense + shot generation would suggest it's also a systems issue. No one looks confident to shoot the puck (except for Hughes). There's just way too many times I've seen players pass up a prime shooting opportunity - it's like the players are afraid to shoot and make some sort of mistake and instead want to pass the puck. Nobody wants the puck.
Tocchet's whole idea of wanting to play more free flowing this year has completely fallen flat on it's face. He needs to find the answers and make the adjustments because it's not been working at all.
Would still be the same issues with puck movement. Cole is better than those two but doesn't solve any issues.
Allvin and Rutherford were both in the house tonight, and undoubtedly witnessed what everybody else saw.
You can't transition the puck from the defensive to offensive zone, when all your d-men do is gather the puck and shoot it up the wall. Either the guy at the point stops it; and the cycle starts all over again. Or the puck gets into the neutral zone and the opposing forwards come right back at you.
With Hronek out and Brannstrom mysteriously benched, the back-end was pretty hard to watch. And it doesn't get any easier on Thursday with the Cup champs Florida coming to town.
You can't transition the puck from the defensive to offensive zone, when all your d-men do is gather the puck and shoot it up the wall. Either the guy at the point stops it; and the cycle starts all over again. Or the puck gets into the neutral zone and the opposing forwards come right back at you.
With Hronek out and Brannstrom mysteriously benched, the back-end was pretty hard to watch. And it doesn't get any easier on Thursday with the Cup champs Florida coming to town.
kanucks25
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I think with a healthy lineup + another good D-man you will naturally see more shot generation. The more you can cleanly push the puck up the ice, the more opportunities you will get to play offence. Plus we would have a lot fewer guys dressed that handle the puck on the blue line like it's a grenade.
Another issue is our forwards are having trouble getting to and creating chances in the middle of the ice. Garland and Miller are the two guys who consistently set teammates up in dangerous areas but right now we only have one of them and there's no doubt our best goal scoring winger misses him. Petey should be another one of those guys who can create opportunities out of nothing but he's of course been very hit and miss.
Again I don't think this is necessarily a coaching issue and more that on most nights we have like 10 forwards that aren't dangerous on the cycle at all and produce most of their offense off broken plays. However it might be a good idea for coaches to start preaching that everything needs to be thrown on net, create scrambles and rebounds and go from there because passing around the outside isn't accomplishing much.
I literally don't bother watching it anymore. I watch a decent number of games around the league and If it's tied at the end of regulation I just consider it a tie game. Zero interest in anything that happens after.
Canucks never controlled the puck once in OT before surrendering the winner. But why was Soucy out there in OT?
I don't know why you'd put a guy like that out there in an open-ice, three-on-three situation with the year he's had. And predictably he made a bad read on the winner.
I don't know why you'd put a guy like that out there in an open-ice, three-on-three situation with the year he's had. And predictably he made a bad read on the winner.
ChilliBilly
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They really need to go to an NBA sort of thing where you need to get a shot on goal within 30 seconds or you get a face off in the other end. Also something similar to the over and bash in the NBA where once you take the puck Into the opposing zone, you need to stay there and shoot take it back out and ski it all the way down like they do is bull crap. Once again, sorry I’m doing this on my iPad and it’s too much of a pain in the ass to correct all the AutoCorrect Crap that it does. I’m doing this using my microphone and it gets about 85% of what I’m trying to say. Edit.- so to look at this negatively we are tied for 14th with four other teams with 14 wins. Tto look at this positively we are tied with one other team for fourth in losses with eight losses. I know that we are disappointed that we aren’t doing better this year at this point in this season than last year however, we still look like a playoff team but to all the people out there who talk about trading prospects and pics for immediate help hey, are you insane? We’ve had one good season. We’re having an OK one this year. But unless you’ve had an exceptional season or had three or four good seasons in a row, you shouldn’t be giving up assets to go all in.
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An outcome not too unexpected, the stats of the two teams are pretty similar so far.
Yes a really bad call on Boeser resulted in a goal but then a soft call on StL kind of evened it up, both teams scored a goal. Albeit St Louis actually scored an own goal as Paryko put it in his own net on a deft deflection into his own net.
Still the team looks like a mystery, better last night but still "soft" and it looked lucky, with no offensive structure, most goals on scrambles or with an extra forward. EP's PP goal looked like a lucky break.
When fans are complaining about an AHL defenceman that isn't playing, Brannstrom who couldn't crack a #6 spot with another team only magnifies just how lacking this defence unit is overall.
The defence has some players playing 3 or 4 minutes too much.
Teams will start keying on Hughes soon, putting a shadow on him. It is obvious that the team's offense is centering around Hughes making it easy in the real season to shut down most of the Canucks scoring. Hughes plays like a rover.
Now the teams will get harder.
I must comment on the cheap shot Sherwood dealt on an offside play and well after the whistle, useless and cheap.
IMO they fight for the WC2 spot all season.
Nothing remarkable about this game, dump and chase is boring
Yes a really bad call on Boeser resulted in a goal but then a soft call on StL kind of evened it up, both teams scored a goal. Albeit St Louis actually scored an own goal as Paryko put it in his own net on a deft deflection into his own net.
Still the team looks like a mystery, better last night but still "soft" and it looked lucky, with no offensive structure, most goals on scrambles or with an extra forward. EP's PP goal looked like a lucky break.
When fans are complaining about an AHL defenceman that isn't playing, Brannstrom who couldn't crack a #6 spot with another team only magnifies just how lacking this defence unit is overall.
The defence has some players playing 3 or 4 minutes too much.
Teams will start keying on Hughes soon, putting a shadow on him. It is obvious that the team's offense is centering around Hughes making it easy in the real season to shut down most of the Canucks scoring. Hughes plays like a rover.
Now the teams will get harder.
I must comment on the cheap shot Sherwood dealt on an offside play and well after the whistle, useless and cheap.
IMO they fight for the WC2 spot all season.
Nothing remarkable about this game, dump and chase is boring
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