Confirmed with Link: Giroux, Bunnaman, Rubtsov, 2024 5th traded to Florida for 2024 1st, 2023 3rd, Owen Tippett

[GKJ]

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[Striiker]

Fletcher wants a good core under 25, so he trades for a player, who hasn't established himself full time, who will turn 24 next season and needs a contract. He can't keep his stories straight.

Then he blurts out about the pick: "It’ll either be a great chip for us in the draft floor, or we can use it as part of a package to get a good player this summer or next summer." I'm not sure he understands present vs future value. What does he think a 2024 1st, from a top team, gets you in July 2022? It's all so incredibly shortsighted.

He’s also trying to trade TK and Sanheim, so forget the “add skill and youth” stuff. We’re not getting younger or more skilled in those hypothetical trades.

 

[Rebels57]

A 2024 2nd and Barron isn't better than the return Giroux got.

Maybe not, but its close. Id personally rather have Barron than Tippett.

 

[Magua]

I'd rather have Samoskevich, and I still don't believe the Flyers couldn't have drawn a hard line over him. Especially with that lame 2024 pick. Did the Flyers actually covet him more than Tippett? Who knows? Seems unlikely with how much he whines about pieces that can help immediately. I could see it being a case of 2024 1st vs. Samoskevich.

But this whole situation is a result of having a doormat of a general manager who couldn't extract value from a Dollar Store.

 

[deadhead]

I'd rather have Samoskevich, and I still don't believe the Flyers couldn't have drawn a hard line over him. Especially with that lame 2024 pick. Did the Flyers actually covet him more than Tippett? Who knows? Seems unlikely with how much he whines about pieces that can help immediately. I could see it being a case of 2024 1st vs. Samoskevich.

But this whole situation is a result of having a doormat of a general manager who couldn't extract value from a Dollar Store.

What kind of hard line? Like I'll turn down that 1st rd pick and a B prospect just to spite you?

Tippett was blocked in Florida due to the emergence of Marchment and the acquisition of Reinhart.
Zito preferred Samoskevich b/c he was further away from RFA status and more upside, so he wasn't dealing him.

 

[Magua]

Zito preferred Samoskevich b/c he was further away from RFA status and more upside, so he wasn't dealing him.

This sounds like a fictional narrative to adhere to prejudices. Don't know if I can buy it.

@Hollywood Couturier

 

[PDX Flyer]

Now this is how a professional carries business unlike Fletcher at that town house meeting telling the entire league he has no leverage weeks/ months before the deadline. Joke status

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This sounds like a fictional narrative to adhere to prejudices. Don't know if I can buy it.

@Hollywood Couturier

 

[deadhead]

This sounds like a fictional narrative to adhere to prejudices. Don't know if I can buy it.

@Hollywood Couturier

Samoskevich with 2 USHL and a college season under his belt, is at most a year away from the NHL.
So I doubt Fletcher preferred to take Tippett when he already has Allison and Foerster with a similar profile.
Denisenko, however, was probably the best fit for the Flyers of the three.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

So I saw this fans assessment of Girouz today and wanted what you all thought. I just wanted to say that he is NOT a fan of Giroux.

i wonder what the oxygen is like on his planet ?

im thinking there isnt much

 

[Flyerfan4life]

exactly here you see the first shot vs Giroux! And he isnt even 1 day away from our franchise!

Taryn another mouthpiece for the org!

"Question about G leading a WINNER"!!!!

f*** THE WHOLE ORG WITH ALL PEOPLE WORKING FOR THEM!!!!

f*** every facet of this Org. from tippy top to very very bottom...

 

[Flyerfan4life]

He’s also trying to trade TK and Sanheim, so forget the “add skill and youth” stuff. We’re not getting younger or more skilled in those hypothetical trades.

100% this team will be the old in the NHL by day 1 of next season opener..

Cheuck gunan go balls deep on Vetereness....

 

[Tripod]

This sounds like a fictional narrative to adhere to prejudices. Don't know if I can buy it.

@Hollywood Couturier

Funny how every Dead argument is about what other GM's want and offered. LIKE Fletch has no ability to negotiate and say no, I don't want that.

But hey, it is what it is. What can you do.

 

[Tripod]

Samoskevich with 2 USHL and a college season under his belt, is at most a year away from the NHL.
So I doubt Fletcher preferred to take Tippett when he already has Allison and Foerster with a similar profile.
Denisenko, however, was probably the best fit for the Flyers of the three.

So you are saying that Fletch took what was given, not got what he wanted?

Sounds like pushover.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

i believe an Agent as much as a guy like ASF... I believe only that this Franchise and Chucky is shit. So we know something went wrong cause the trade is horrible! The Chance Chucky has a huge part part in it is very likely!

 

[Ironmanrulez]

What kind of hard line? Like I'll turn down that 1st rd pick and a B prospect just to spite you?

Tippett was blocked in Florida due to the emergence of Marchment and the acquisition of Reinhart.
Zito preferred Samoskevich b/c he was further away from RFA status and more upside, so he wasn't dealing him.

Talent will never be blocked by other players. If the dont play, they arent good enough! You Slurpers called it 100 of times before for our franchise!!!

Now its the reason the super talent Tippett doesnt played in Florida!

Your such a liar^^

 

[Starat327]

Talent will never be blocked by other players. If the dont play, they arent good enough! You Slurpers called it 100 of times before for our franchise!!!

Now its the reason the super talent Tippett doesnt played in Florida!

Your such a liar^^

Iron do yourself a favor and just use Igor. Trust me.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Iron do yourself a favor and just use Igor. Trust me.

he was, but the new board ignored my ignore^^

 

[Starat327]

he was, but the new board ignored my ignore^^

Strange. My new board Igor even hides latest posts too boot. It's a f***ing God send.

 

[Striiker]

he was, but the new board ignored my ignore^^

Same, I still see @Starat327 ‘s posts…

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Strange. My new board Igor even hides latest posts too boot. It's a f***ing God send.

ive taken care of the situation

 

[Larry44]

Do people realize IT'S AGAINST THE RULES to negotiate future contract promises like this?

Flat out a player or agent or GM cannot admit to something like this without severe consequences. The only options publicly are deny or deny. It proves absolutely nothing.

Thank you. Giroux wanted a nod & a wink reassurance from Chuck he could come home. Chuck said no so G said FLA or bust. None of them can admit an improper deal was discussed. Same as UFAs, they all talk in advance, but don’t admit it.

 

[Philly Fanatik]

Playoffs will cheer him up.

 

[The Rage Kage]

Funny how every Dead argument is about what other GM's want and offered. LIKE Fletch has no ability to negotiate and say no, I don't want that.

But hey, it is what it is. What can you do.

Every last one of his narratives paint Fletcher as some hapless bystander in every deal, exchange, discussion, that gets made, complety subject to the whims of those around him, from players, to coaches, scouts, managers, and executives. Chuck Fletcher is a man with no agency of his own. Which makes you wonder who the f*** would want that kind of person to be a GM.

 

[pit]

Hayes had no injury issues until last March. Crap happens. He looks healthy now, the infection was one of those things.
Even with everything he's gone through this season, he's scoring at a 1.89 pp/60 at ES.

Hayes' comparables were two years older (Nelson, Lee, Schenn, etc) and got similar deals.

Voracek was 1.9 pts/60 ES over a 78 games in the third year of his deal. Hayes is a 1.5pts/60 ES over 28 games in his current (third) year.

What's funny is that Jake's pts/60 ES improved each year of his deal in Philly while Hayes has stayed virtually static at lower numbers. If we start talking all situations, the numbers look far better for Jake.

So if by your metrics Hextall hamstrung this team with Voracek's deal, it stands to reason Fletcher did the same with Hayes.

 

[deadhead]

Right, because Montreal forced Zito into giving up a 1st, 4th and a "C" prospect for a LHD who had one good season in his career, paired with Weber. Must have held a gun to his head.
But when Chuck gives a 1st and 2nd for a full year of Risto, he was taken to the cleaners.
Or there's a market for big, physical defensemen that's inflated relative to the value that analytics puts on these guys, right or wrong.

There's a market out there for most players, with a half dozen teams inquiring about the cost. Everyone has a cell phone, everyone is in touch with everyone.

Only when there's a NMC (and yes, teams know b/c they don't get serious about negotiations without assurances the player will waive for them, unless they're stupid) is there a limited market. Even if the GM doesn't want to tell, it's easy to force it by providing a deadline (we'll look elsewhere Saturday if we don't have a deal).

So if Braun got a 3rd, it's because that was probably the best offer with a half dozen veteran D-men available. And if someone else gets a better offer, it's because there's at least one GM enamored with that player. Information is widely available in the age of video and the internet, what determines price is the one suitor who'll pay more.

"You can't hurry love, you just got to wait."