German Prospects for the NHL Draft

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How are the chances of Niklas Hübner next year, if he can improve in Finland?
He would have to play extremely well to get drafted in his D+1 year out of the junior Finnish league.

If European players get drafted after their draft year, it is because they play really well at the pro level as 19/20 year-olds, and I don’t see him making that jump.
 

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He would have to play extremely well to get drafted in his D+1 year out of the junior Finnish league.

If European players get drafted after their draft year, it is because they play really well at the pro level as 19/20 year-olds, and I don’t see him making that jump.

I agree with this.

We will have to wait and see how he does in Finland, but I think if he ever gets close to the NHL it will be as a free agent like Wissmann (once he is older and more polished) and not as a draft pick. Obviously Finnish junior hockey is more heavily scouted than German junior hockey, and probably even a lot of German pro hockey, but he would really have to stand out in a big way to garner any interest.
 
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I will probably skip watching the World Juniors reboot and instead try to watch as much as possible of the U17 tournament in Colorado Springs. I don't think I will have time to watch both.

The roster for the tournament as it stands right now:

Pos.NachnameVornameGeb.-Dat.Verein 2022/23
GKEderErik18.01.2006EHC 80 Nürnberg
GKStuhrmannLukas04.04.2007Kölner EC
GKNeißeLennart14.09.2006Eisbären Juniors Berlin
DFHenßeMax01.03.2006Krefelder EV 81
DFHändelCarlos31.03.2007Jungadler Mannheim
DFHahnNoah04.10.2006Iserlohner EC
DFSerikowFinn16.11.2006EV Landshut
DFSchamsManuel26.01.2006Jungadler Mannheim
DFSchlenkerColin Farell08.04.2006Schwenninger ERC
DFPapeMatthias06.05.2006Krefelder EV 81
DFMerklMaximilian27.06.2006EHC 80 Nürnberg
FWOswaldMaximilian31.03.2006EV Landshut
FWSeidlSimon04.07.2006EV Landshut
FWSeegerClemens17.09.2006Krefelder EV 81
FWSchwarzTobias05.04.2006EV Landshut
FWSchützTim19.04.2006Okanagan Hockey Ontario
FWPulElias15.05.2006Red Bull Hockey Akademie
FWOttenBennet04.01.2006Düsseldorfer EG
FWBrunnerMaximilian12.01.2006EV Landshut
FWHerzogMax27.04.2006Jungadler Mannheim
FWMaulNick09.04.2006Red Bull Hockey Akademie
FWKerbelFelix08.05.2006Red Bull Hockey Akademie
FWHofverbergEden07.02.2006ETC Crimmitschau
FWWillhöftDustin09.01.2007Rögle BK
FWBickelMaxime29.08.2006Jungadler Mannheim

I am particularly interested in the '07s Händel and Willhöft, but there are also many other players I am excited to watch against some quality competition.
I am a little surprised that Rio Kaiser is not on the roster.

If things go as planned and I can watch all or most of the games (gonna cost me 30 bucks it would seem), I'll post either a single report about the whole tournament or separate reports for every game.
But since I will most likely not be able to watch the games live, there could be delays.

Another issue could be the heat, since I can only manage to spend so much time in front of the computer these days.
 
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I will probably skip watching the World Juniors reboot and instead try to watch as much as possible of the U17 tournament in Colorado Springs. I don't think I will have time to watch both.

The roster for the tournament as it stands right now:

Pos.NachnameVornameGeb.-Dat.Verein 2022/23
GKEderErik18.01.2006EHC 80 Nürnberg
GKStuhrmannLukas04.04.2007Kölner EC
GKNeißeLennart14.09.2006Eisbären Juniors Berlin
DFHenßeMax01.03.2006Krefelder EV 81
DFHändelCarlos31.03.2007Jungadler Mannheim
DFHahnNoah04.10.2006Iserlohner EC
DFSerikowFinn16.11.2006EV Landshut
DFSchamsManuel26.01.2006Jungadler Mannheim
DFSchlenkerColin Farell08.04.2006Schwenninger ERC
DFPapeMatthias06.05.2006Krefelder EV 81
DFMerklMaximilian27.06.2006EHC 80 Nürnberg
FWOswaldMaximilian31.03.2006EV Landshut
FWSeidlSimon04.07.2006EV Landshut
FWSeegerClemens17.09.2006Krefelder EV 81
FWSchwarzTobias05.04.2006EV Landshut
FWSchützTim19.04.2006Okanagan Hockey Ontario
FWPulElias15.05.2006Red Bull Hockey Akademie
FWOttenBennet04.01.2006Düsseldorfer EG
FWBrunnerMaximilian12.01.2006EV Landshut
FWHerzogMax27.04.2006Jungadler Mannheim
FWMaulNick09.04.2006Red Bull Hockey Akademie
FWKerbelFelix08.05.2006Red Bull Hockey Akademie
FWHofverbergEden07.02.2006ETC Crimmitschau
FWWillhöftDustin09.01.2007Rögle BK
FWBickelMaxime29.08.2006Jungadler Mannheim

I am particularly interested in the '07s Händel and Willhöft, but there are also many other players I am excited to watch against some quality competition.
I am a little surprised that Rio Kaiser is not on the roster.

If things go as planned and I can watch all or most of the games (gonna cost me 30 bucks it would seem), I'll post either a single report about the whole tournament or separate reports for every game.
But since I will most likely not be able to watch the games live, there could be delays.

Another issue could be the heat, since I can only manage to spend so much time in front of the computer these days.
I didn’t know there was a U17 tournament this summer but now you’ve got me excited!

These are the players I personally look forward to watching this season:
Händel
Hense
Schams
Pape
Bickel
Brunner
Oswald
Schütz
Willhöft

Especially have high hopes for Hense. I think he’ll come out as the best D of this age group and possibly the best player overall. The only thing that worried me in my limited viewings was his foot speed, but that’s not unusual for a player like him who grew quite a bit at a young age.
 
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I didn’t know there was a U17 tournament this summer but now you’ve got me excited!

These are the players I personally look forward to watching this season:
Händel
Hense
Schams
Pape
Bickel
Brunner
Oswald
Schütz
Willhöft

Especially have high hopes for Hense. I think he’ll come out as the best D of this age group and possibly the best player overall. The only thing that worried me in my limited viewings was his foot speed, but that’s not unusual for a player like him who grew quite a bit at a young age.

Interesting. The few times I have been able to watch them either for Krefeld or the U16 I liked Pape slightly more than Hense, but both were looking very promising along with Seeger. Pape is definitely the better skater, but a lack of size could hold him back, a problem Hense obviously does not have. Anyway it seems like a very good crop for Krefeld. But is has been quite a while since I last saw any of them.

One guy I am particularly interested among the '06s is Hofverberg. Not because I think he is among the best on this team (because I simply don't know), but because so far I have only been able to stat watch his development, and have been doing it for 3-4 years now. With him playing for a smaller program in Crimmitschau I never had a chance to watch him play myself, but the way he "dominated" the box score for his team was a little reminiscient of Alex Ciernik when he was playing in Dresden.
Since he has been selected to this team there seems to be at least some quality there and I am very curious what his game looks like and how he stacks up against the kids from the bigger programs.

Otherwise, my list is very similar to yours.
 
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I will probably skip watching the World Juniors reboot and instead try to watch as much as possible of the U17 tournament in Colorado Springs. I don't think I will have time to watch both.

The roster for the tournament as it stands right now:

Pos.NachnameVornameGeb.-Dat.Verein 2022/23
GKEderErik18.01.2006EHC 80 Nürnberg
GKStuhrmannLukas04.04.2007Kölner EC
GKNeißeLennart14.09.2006Eisbären Juniors Berlin
DFHenßeMax01.03.2006Krefelder EV 81
DFHändelCarlos31.03.2007Jungadler Mannheim
DFHahnNoah04.10.2006Iserlohner EC
DFSerikowFinn16.11.2006EV Landshut
DFSchamsManuel26.01.2006Jungadler Mannheim
DFSchlenkerColin Farell08.04.2006Schwenninger ERC
DFPapeMatthias06.05.2006Krefelder EV 81
DFMerklMaximilian27.06.2006EHC 80 Nürnberg
FWOswaldMaximilian31.03.2006EV Landshut
FWSeidlSimon04.07.2006EV Landshut
FWSeegerClemens17.09.2006Krefelder EV 81
FWSchwarzTobias05.04.2006EV Landshut
FWSchützTim19.04.2006Okanagan Hockey Ontario
FWPulElias15.05.2006Red Bull Hockey Akademie
FWOttenBennet04.01.2006Düsseldorfer EG
FWBrunnerMaximilian12.01.2006EV Landshut
FWHerzogMax27.04.2006Jungadler Mannheim
FWMaulNick09.04.2006Red Bull Hockey Akademie
FWKerbelFelix08.05.2006Red Bull Hockey Akademie
FWHofverbergEden07.02.2006ETC Crimmitschau
FWWillhöftDustin09.01.2007Rögle BK
FWBickelMaxime29.08.2006Jungadler Mannheim

I am particularly interested in the '07s Händel and Willhöft, but there are also many other players I am excited to watch against some quality competition.
I am a little surprised that Rio Kaiser is not on the roster.

If things go as planned and I can watch all or most of the games (gonna cost me 30 bucks it would seem), I'll post either a single report about the whole tournament or separate reports for every game.
But since I will most likely not be able to watch the games live, there could be delays.

Another issue could be the heat, since I can only manage to spend so much time in front of the computer these days.
I'm partially surprised that Tom Fitschen isn't on the roster but it's not overly surprising. It's definitely nice to see some 07's on the roster. Nice change of pace,

Also I know a site where you should be able to watch the games for free, if you wanted. You will just need adblock. Let me know if you want me to send you a link
 
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I'm partially surprised that Tom Fitschen isn't on the roster but it's not overly surprising. It's definitely nice to see some 07's on the roster. Nice change of pace,

Also I know a site where you should be able to watch the games for free, if you wanted. You will just need adblock. Let me know if you want me to send you a link

Thanks, that would be great. Do you know if that site also has VOD or are they only showing the live game?
If it is the latter it would be a little problematic for me for the first game vs. USA which starts at 3am on the 10th.
But I guess I could get up in the night and start to record the game on my PC and then watch it the next day, if necessary.

Either way I definitely appreciate the offer.

I had already mentioned Rio Kaiser, another name I was surprised not to see on the roster was Leon Bußmann.
I saw him play for the U16 last year and he while he was no standout, he was still one of the kids I noticed.
Fitschen had not been on my list so far, but these kids are only now entering the stage of their development, where I can actually start to follow them more closely and get more viewings.
 
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Are any of Germany’s best ’05’s expected to see games in the DEL this year?

Depends on what you mean. I guess somebody may get a few minutes or seconds at some point.
But I doubt anybody will get a significant number of games and/or ice time, unless some team has serious injury issues.

I am pretty sure with COVID less of a problem, we will see fewer young players out there. Now teams can go back to playing the absolute minimum of U23 players, because they won't suddenly miss like 4-5 players at once where they had to fill up their roster with players from their junior teams.
 

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Depends on what you mean. I guess somebody may get a few minutes or seconds at some point.
But I doubt anybody will get a significant number of games and/or ice time, unless some team has serious injury issues.

I am pretty sure with COVID less of a problem, we will see fewer young players out there. Now teams can go back to playing the absolute minimum of U23 players, because they won't suddenly miss like 4-5 players at once where they had to fill up their roster with players from their junior teams.
Then again, Munich didn’t even have 4 full lines last night and even Krening got to fill in. Injuries (and other stuff) often happen quicker than you’d think…
 

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Should note that Marcel Mahkovec has moved to Sweden to play for AIK so he is no longer apart of the German development system.

It's a good move for him. He wasn't really going to continue to develop into the player he'd like to be as a young "import player" in Germany.

That would have been another story if he were playing with a German pass.

In essence, I think that was the hope. I think Krefeld (and maybe a few others) were hoping he'd eventually be playing with German pass.

I'm not sure he even went that route with the application and all.

But AIK is a nice spot, especially with Dalibor Dvorsky there at the moment as well. Scouts will be watching that club like crazy this winter.
 
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Should note that Marcel Mahkovec has moved to Sweden to play for AIK so he is no longer apart of the German development system.

Love to see it. I was wondering where he would end up, and while I would have loved to see him play more in Germany, it was just not realistic and this looks like a very good option for him.

I hope he does well and continues to shine. I also hope he keeps representing Slovenia and becomes a strong player for their national team.
 

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Love to see it. I was wondering where he would end up, and while I would have loved to see him play more in Germany, it was just not realistic and this looks like a very good option for him.
I hope he does well and continues to shine. I also hope he keeps representing Slovenia and becomes a strong player for their national team.
He has looked good so far - I’m hoping he gets in his fair share of Allsvenskan games this year.
 
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Anyone have a read on this kid? Strong start to the season for Berlin as a 16 year old.


It's a really nice start and bears watching.

Fritschen was the guy I thought would "pop" this season, and he's doing what's expected on the U17 team, but he hasn't played for the U20 yet.

I think some in the scene were expecting a lot more from Tripcke.
 

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It's a really nice start and bears watching.

Fritschen was the guy I thought would "pop" this season, and he's doing what's expected on the U17 team, but he hasn't played for the U20 yet.

I think some in the scene were expecting a lot more from Tripcke.
I agree - perhaps since Fitschen is a late birthday they don’t think he is ready yet.
 

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Has anyone heard of this kid before?

Heard about him, but never seen him, even though I live near Frankfurt.
And the only thing I have heard is that he is really good and a standout on his team.
But other than that I know nothing about him or how he compares to the kids playing for the more prominent clubs in the country, though he did pretty well against some of them at the U13 level last year. More on that later.

It's a good thing his team is playing in the NRW league. so at the U15 level he will play against the teams from Cologne, Düsseldorf, Iserlohn and Krefeld. Last season Jungadler Mannheim was also playing in this league, doesn't seem like it will be the case this year.

Last season at the U13 level his team finished 3rd behind Mannheim and Cologne, ahead of Krefeld, Iserlohn and Düsseldorf. Frankfurt scored 75 goals in 14 games and Fatyka finished the season with 50 points (25g 25a) in 13 games, leading the league in scoring. He did not lead the league by a wide margin, but everybody else near the top was a year older than him. He had two 8 point games apparently.

But as you can see this is all just stat watching, so we will have to wait and see.
He has been on the top of my list for the 2028 draft when it comes to players to take a look at. That doesn't really mean anything except that at this moment his numbers have intrigued me the most.
 
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Heard about him, but never seen him, even though I live near Frankfurt.
And the only thing I have heard is that he is really good and a standout on his team.
But other than that I know nothing about him or how he compares to the kids playing for the more prominent clubs in the country, though he did pretty well against some of them at the U13 level last year. More on that later.

It's a good thing his team is playing in the NRW league. so at the U15 level he will play against the teams from Cologne, Düsseldorf, Iserlohn and Krefeld. Last season Jungadler Mannheim was also playing in this league, doesn't seem like it will be the case this year.

Last season at the U13 level his team finished 3rd behind Mannheim and Cologne, ahead of Krefeld, Iserlohn and Düsseldorf. Frankfurt scored 75 goals in 14 games and Fatyka finished the season with 50 points (25g 25a) in 13 games, leading the league in scoring. He did not lead the league by a wide margin, but everybody else near the top was a year older than him. He had two 8 point games apparently.

But as you can see this is all just stat watching, so we will have to wait and see.
He has been on the top of my list for the 2028 draft when it comes to players to take a look at. That doesn't really mean anything except that at this moment his numbers have intrigued me the most.
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You’re awesome for this Mav. Genuinely appreciate it.
No problem.

I may not have seen kids like him at that age, but I have collected a lot of stats over the years, I cannot guarantee the accuracy, because stats in junior hockey here are notoriously unreliable.
So, if you are wondering about any other prospects, feel free to ask, and I will look and see if I have any information to share.

It was fun to look into this a little more, after working 10 days straight (Saturday and Sunday included) for roughly 16 hours a day to avert a crisis with one of our customers, it was like a vacation to do this.

Btw, I will eventually get around to update my rankings, but it may take until mid or late October, depending on if my workload keeps going back to normal, or if it will remain at a higher level than usual.
 
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After watching a few DNL games this season, here's my random top 5 of 2005s that will definitely change again throughout the year:

1. Tropmann
To me, he's the complete package. While slightly undersized for his physical style, he brings a lot to the table both offensively and defensively. I definitely think he should go to the CHL for his draft year, where he'd fit in well with his physical style while getting the chance to improve his offensive skillset. A smart all-situations defenseman.

2. Brandl
The forward version of Tropmann. His hockey sense is off the charts (at least for DNL standards) and he's a great two-way player. He can pass, he can shoot and he makes his teammates better.

3. Mayer
Without a doubt the player with the highest upside but I feel like he has the longest road to reach his ceiling. I still have him at 3, but that's mostly based on expectations going in, as a result of his size, skating and skill combo. His hockey sense is a major question mark for me, and if he didn't have the size, I don't think he'd be in the conversation to be the top player of the 05 class.

4. Sumpf
Didn't have the best showing at the Hlinka but I still like the upside he brings with his hockey sense and playmaking skill. Needs to get more consistent and compete more, but he's an intriguing player as a playmaking centre. Haven't seen him since the Hlinka, so things might change once I watch him in Salzburg.

5. Bicker
The flashiest of the top 5 but I just can't help but look at him as a pure energy winger at the next level. He looks lost at times when he's without Brandl while Brandl just continues to play his game with whichever linemates he gets. Bicker brings speed and skill, but often sticks too much on the perimeter and doesn't seem to have much of an eye for his teammates.

HM:

Vinzens
Can't say much about him and he could well end up in the top 5, I just haven't watches Salzburg yet this season and he didn't play a big role at the Hlinka.

Niehus
Has a ton of upside when he's on, but is the most inconsistent player on this list. Has all the tools to become at least the DEL version of a Cale Makar type, but needs to start putting it together consistently.

Ruckdäschel
Surprised me at the Hlinka with flashes of skill, speed and decent size, but again, I haven't seen Salzburg yet this season.
 

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Disclaimer:
The following is based only on watching most of a single, very lopsided game between the Red Bull Academy U16 team and the U15 team of HC Lev Benesov.

I just wanted to check in on some 2008 players I was curious about. Unfortunately the stream quality was not that great and it was difficult to make out the numbers on the jerseys and I also could not rewind to rewatch anything, so I'll stick to some general impressions on mostly two players, who stuck out and were easier to recognize.

Tobias Krestan:
I had only seen him once before, if you can call it that, since I was watching about 5 minutes of him that somebody had recorded on their cellphone, back when he was still playing in Bad Nauheim.

Looked like a smooth skater out there. While most other players seemed to stumble and fall quite a bit, he always seemed in control on his skates. He was not super fast, but probably because he didn't have to, he never really was in a race for the puck.

What stood out the most to me was his playmaking ability and hockey IQ. While almost everyone else seemed to be reacting to what was happening on the ice, Krestan looked like he was thinking a couple of steps ahead, at times.


Sadio Kühner:
So far I had only seen that he had great stats as a young player in a league of questionable quality. The first thing that caught my eye was his size. He looked huge out there. Initally I thought that this may be why he had been so successful against older kids, because even though they were older, he was just bigger than most.

But it became clear pretty quickly that he was not just getting by on his size advantage. He is not exactly skating like Seider or Edvinsson or some other big smooth skating defensemen, but he skates well enough it seemed. He should look to improve his skating anyway, but I don't think it will hold him back.

Since the game was so incredibly one-sided it was impossible to really gauge his defensive game, but while he really likes to be involved offensively, even in a game against an opponent that poses no real threat, he never seemed out of control, or like he was taking this lightly. This could indicate, that he will be responsible defensively, and not be to reckless against stronger opposition.


Kees de Jager:
Just a quick sidenote on the undersized Dutch defenseman. He is fun to watch, very engaged all over the ice, but also extremely annoying. I have never seen a player tap his stick on the ice calling for the puck this much.
And while his apparent frustration was understandable when his forwards kept ignoring him hoveing at the blueline or even in the slot, with space and time for days, just to make stupid passes to one another while under pressure, it got really annoying after a while. As the game went on, he stopped doing it, but the first period was just crazy.
But other than that there was quite a bit to like about his game, though he could really use a growth spurt.
 
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I will update my rankings over the course of this week, even though I haven't watched all the games and players I had been meaning to watch, so there will certainly be some omissions and skewed rankings.
But if I don't do it now, I have no idea when I will have the time again, to do it.

I have added the current stats for the ranked players except the goalies, for them I have only listed the number of games played.
 

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