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This seems to be coming up a bit in some threads so I figured I'd create an OT catch all thread here. Feel free to discuss.
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Gretzky and Mario would score far less, that is an indisputable fact. The fact that you are implying that it was harder to score in the Eighties and early 90's is laughable and entirely refuted by the facts.I really dislike the argument that past great players wouldn't succeed in today's game. I believe that great players would be great players regardless of the era that they play in.
You say McDavid gets 200 points in Mario's day? Well I reply by saying Gretz and Mario would break records today, with the advances in equipment technology, nutrition, scientific knowledge and especially the way the game is played/called today.
Imagine Mario without having players waterskiing him, crosschecking etc. He would break a 100 goal season.
Bottom line is that any great player in any generation would succeed regardless of the era. IMHO.
Gretzky and Mario would score far less, that is an indisputable fact. The fact that you are implying that it was harder to score in the Eighties and early 90's is laughable and entirely refuted by the facts.
Gretzky, Orr and Mario were great players and would be in any generation but McDavid is absolutely on par with them imo. I watched Wayne and Mario's entire careers including before they were drafted and their stats were inflated by playing in a watered down league with terrible goalies and poor defensive systems. Perhaps you should take a look at the rest of the scoring leaders and the top goalies stats lol. You are simply arguing solely from bias and have zero evidence to support your claim.
Gretzky would struggle the most out of the three that I mentioned as he did not have the speed or physicality that the others brought. Gretzky took advantage of absurdly poor competition and was in the right place at the right time. He would still be a great player but if you think Gretzky would be anywhere remotely close to 200 points in today's NHL you are putting forth a delusional narrative.
Gretzky would be bigger (more muscular) and probably faster with today's training regiments.
It's just so hard for me to know what Gretzky would be or do in today's game.
But the fact that he was so egregiously able to take advantage of the short comings of his era, when no one else could to the extent that he did, says a lot.
Would be interesting to see what prime Gretzky could do with modern training, one piece sticks, advanced technology of skates, etc... Could Ovechkin score all the goals he has with those shitty Titan wood sticks Gretzky used, even as bad as the goaltending pre-Roy butterfly was? Probably. But Ovi wouldn't have even been in the NHL because he was Russian, to your point about competition...
Bedard being the one recent player pre-draft being called generational made me use him as a yardstick to evaluate elite young players. He’s still in all the high profile commercials and marketing campaigns.It's on topic since we're discussing the meaning of the generational label and what a generation is and represents.
I dont want to get technical and invoke the boring forum etiquette mumbo-jumbo that nobody cares about, but that discussion is officially legit because it is directly related to the fact that Demidov is the best hockey player in the history of humanity. I request full immunity.
When people say this old player from the 80ies and early 90ies would have struggled to do 40 points in today's hockey i always respond with this. Jagr did 27 goals and 66 points in 2015-2016 as a 43 years old player. I've seen him play in his prime and at 43 he was half the player he used to be. He was slow. His shot was weak. It was honestly sad to watch for someone who saw him in his prime. Prime Jagr would have doubled those numbers very easily.Gretzky would be bigger (more muscular) and probably faster with today's training regiments.
It's just so hard for me to know what Gretzky would be or do in today's game.
But the fact that he was so egregiously able to take advantage of the short comings of his era, when no one else could to the extent that he did, says a lot.
Would be interesting to see what prime Gretzky could do with modern training, one piece sticks, advanced technology of skates, etc... Could Ovechkin score all the goals he has with those shitty Titan wood sticks Gretzky used, even as bad as the goaltending pre-Roy butterfly was? Probably. But Ovi wouldn't have even been in the NHL because he was Russian, to your point about competition...
The NHL did nothing. Bedard's junior numbers are generational.Yeah personally, it feels like the LNH is trying to troll the whole world into making everyone believe Bedard is something special.
I dont get how the marketing and commercial deals work but it seems like all these ads and media spots were ordered and commissioned years in advance.
It speaks volume about the LNH’s competence and intentions.
Its like a dumb person trying to be malicious. It doesnt work. They’re getting exposed and its fun to watch. Imo.
As for Demi
I do think he’ll do better than McDavid did in his rookie year but im not sure he’s got the guys around him to help him produce at the 150 pts range eventually but hes got the potential for sure.
Its a no brainer, he’s a generational player
The NHL did nothing. Bedard's junior numbers are generational.
10th all time for ppg in the whl
1st for ppg among players born after 1970 in the whl
15th all time for ppg at the u20
4th for ppg among players born after 1990 at the u20
4th all time for ppg in a single u20 tournament
Did you see Ovi at the Gretz museum(?) in Edmonton yesterday before the game? When asked about the great ones wooden twig he’s like I don’t know how he could use that thing. lol, it’s like me looking at my grandfathers persimmon wood golf clubs.Broken Mario paced for 145 pts in 2001 and 111 pts in 2003 but yeah he’d be in tough today against Alex Kerfoot, Ethan Bear, and Cayden Primeau
It's on topic since we're discussing the meaning of the generational label and what a generation is and represents.
I dont want to get technical and invoke the boring forum etiquette mumbo-jumbo that nobody cares about, but that discussion is officially legit because it is directly related to the fact that Demidov is the best hockey player in the history of humanity. I request full immunity.
Mario Lemieux would have more points today than he did back then. Look what he did as an old man after years off when they got rid of the obstruction rules.Gretzky and Mario would score far less, that is an indisputable fact. The fact that you are implying that it was harder to score in the Eighties and early 90's is laughable and entirely refuted by the facts.
Gretzky, Orr and Mario were great players and would be in any generation but McDavid is absolutely on par with them imo. I watched Wayne and Mario's entire careers including before they were drafted and their stats were inflated by playing in a watered down league with terrible goalies and poor defensive systems. Perhaps you should take a look at the rest of the scoring leaders and the top goalies stats lol. You are simply arguing solely from bias and have zero evidence to support your claim.
Gretzky would struggle the most out of the three that I mentioned as he did not have the speed or physicality that the others brought. Gretzky took advantage of absurdly poor competition and was in the right place at the right time. He would still be a great player but if you think Gretzky would be anywhere remotely close to 200 points in today's NHL you are putting forth a delusional narrative.
Exactly. Dude had been out of the game for like 5 years and was broken down and was immediately the best player in the league. He was signifcantly better than contemporaries like Jagr who put up 120+ points in 2006 as a 33 year old.Broken Mario paced for 145 pts in 2001 and 111 pts in 2003 but yeah he’d be in tough today against Alex Kerfoot, Ethan Bear, and Cayden Primeau
It doesn't mean nothing. He was head and shoulders ahead of everyone. And he dominated after Covid. His numbers were off the chart good.Lockdown era,means nothing, shane wright had special status like mcdavid and is a nothing burger in the nhl.
Generational.You're a legend man.
Says the guy with 'generational poster' under his avatar.We have 0 generational players on the team or pipeline. Accept the obvious truth.
Poster, not playerSays the guy with 'generational poster' under his avatar.
We have 0 generational players on the team or pipeline. Accept the obvious truth.