Prospect Info: General Discussion of Prospects
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Fjordsen
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Unfortunately I was busy and didn't have time to follow the NHL. But now I'm here again.
HOOats
born Ruffian
Right. So it would be an ELC offer, which would (likely) be signed, but could go unsigned. Given that we haven't offered, I don't understand the conditional that I bolded below, as it reads like we'd have to offer an ELC (logic being a team actually having to show present interest rather than stash) to enact the full four years of rights.
(ii) If a Player who is drafted as an 18-year-old ceases to play in the Juniors in the second League Year after he has been drafted AND the Club has tendered to such Player a Bona Fide Offer pursuant to 8.6(a)(ii), [THEN] his drafting Club shall have the exclusive right of negotiation for his services until the fourth June 1 following his initial selection in the Entry Draft.
I like to think I can comprehend legalese, but maybe I'm out of my depth.
Either way, happy it appears we have him stashed for two more years.Right. So it would be an ELC offer, which would (likely) be signed, but could go unsigned. Given that we haven't offered, I don't understand the conditional that I bolded below, as it reads like we'd have to offer an ELC (logic being a team actually having to show present interest rather than stash) to enact the full four years of rights.
(ii) If a Player who is drafted as an 18-year-old ceases to play in the Juniors in the second League Year after he has been drafted AND the Club has tendered to such Player a Bona Fide Offer pursuant to 8.6(a)(ii), [THEN] his drafting Club shall have the exclusive right of negotiation for his services until the fourth June 1 following his initial selection in the Entry Draft.
I like to think I can comprehend legalese, but maybe I'm out of my depth.
Yeah, they'd have to make the offer and then Marjala would have to not sign it to get the extended years would be my logic.
HOOats
born Ruffian
I wonder if we made a quiet, "paper" offer that was never to be accepted, with Marjala's camp agreeing to keep him out of the draft and in the fold with us for a couple more developmental years.
(Thanks to HF for existing, not sure anywhere else is going deep on Viljami Marjala's status
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dotcommunism
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They hold his rights for four years.
The portion of the rules that's been quoted here refers to the player being tendered a Bona Fide Offer according to 8.6(a)(ii). So the next thing to do is to look at 8.6(a)(ii) and it tells you the following:
8.6(a)(ii) Subject to the provisions of subsection (iii) below and Sections (b), (c) and (d) below, if, on or before June 1 of the calendar year next succeeding the Entry Draft, the claiming Club makes a Bona Fide Offer (as defined below) to its claimed Player of an SPC, the Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for the services of such Player up to and including the second June 1 following the date of his selection.
So, generally speaking, after a player is drafted his team only automatically retains his exclusive rights for one year. After that one year, the team then tenders a Bona Fide Offer to extend those rights for a second year, or they choose not to and let the player's rights expire. The latter rarely happens, but it does happen sometimes. All the way back in 2014, if I'm remembering this correctly, it was reported that the Sabres had let Eric Locke's rights lapse a year following his draft. That would mean that the team elected not to tender him a Bona Fide Offer.
Anyway, players drafted out of college (or who enter college following the draft), or out of Europe do not have to be tendered a Bona Fide Offer and their rights are automatically held as long as stated in the appropriate section of the CBA.
Back to Marjala. Because he was drafted out of major juniors, his rights were only automatically held for one year. To get them held for a second year, the Sabres needed to tender him a Bona Fide Offer. If the Sabres had not tendered him that Bona Fide Offer, then their exclusive rights would have expired last June. Now, per 8.6(b)(ii), which has been quoted previously, because Marjala left Major Juniors and because the Sabres tendered him a Bona Fide Offer, his rights are now held until June 1, 2025.
In short, a Bona Fide Offer is something that happens for the vast majority of players drafted out of juniors, but we never hear anything about it because there isn't really anything to hear about it. Teams tender Bona Fide Offers almost as a matter of course, there really aren't a lot of reasons not to do so.
The portion of the rules that's been quoted here refers to the player being tendered a Bona Fide Offer according to 8.6(a)(ii). So the next thing to do is to look at 8.6(a)(ii) and it tells you the following:
8.6(a)(ii) Subject to the provisions of subsection (iii) below and Sections (b), (c) and (d) below, if, on or before June 1 of the calendar year next succeeding the Entry Draft, the claiming Club makes a Bona Fide Offer (as defined below) to its claimed Player of an SPC, the Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for the services of such Player up to and including the second June 1 following the date of his selection.
So, generally speaking, after a player is drafted his team only automatically retains his exclusive rights for one year. After that one year, the team then tenders a Bona Fide Offer to extend those rights for a second year, or they choose not to and let the player's rights expire. The latter rarely happens, but it does happen sometimes. All the way back in 2014, if I'm remembering this correctly, it was reported that the Sabres had let Eric Locke's rights lapse a year following his draft. That would mean that the team elected not to tender him a Bona Fide Offer.
Anyway, players drafted out of college (or who enter college following the draft), or out of Europe do not have to be tendered a Bona Fide Offer and their rights are automatically held as long as stated in the appropriate section of the CBA.
Back to Marjala. Because he was drafted out of major juniors, his rights were only automatically held for one year. To get them held for a second year, the Sabres needed to tender him a Bona Fide Offer. If the Sabres had not tendered him that Bona Fide Offer, then their exclusive rights would have expired last June. Now, per 8.6(b)(ii), which has been quoted previously, because Marjala left Major Juniors and because the Sabres tendered him a Bona Fide Offer, his rights are now held until June 1, 2025.
In short, a Bona Fide Offer is something that happens for the vast majority of players drafted out of juniors, but we never hear anything about it because there isn't really anything to hear about it. Teams tender Bona Fide Offers almost as a matter of course, there really aren't a lot of reasons not to do so.
The Sabres Russian SVP of PR with a nice assist:
Some ECHL level defense though on this goal against:
Some ECHL level defense though on this goal against:
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HOOats
born Ruffian
Adams has explained his philosophy of "toughness" vs "tough to play against," which largely explains our undersized but fast, smart, dogged forward prospect pool.
Anyone care to rank/tier our forward prospects by how well they fit Adams' ideal type of "possession monster," "puckhound," "playoff-style?" Savoie seems to be the prototype, but I'm curious how closer watchers see Kulich, Rosen, the Russians, etc fitting the mold. Bonus points for which draft eligibles fit best.
Anyone care to rank/tier our forward prospects by how well they fit Adams' ideal type of "possession monster," "puckhound," "playoff-style?" Savoie seems to be the prototype, but I'm curious how closer watchers see Kulich, Rosen, the Russians, etc fitting the mold. Bonus points for which draft eligibles fit best.
If we are going with puck hunters, I would break it into tiers:
MAH PUCK TIMMAH! MINE!
1) Kozak
2) Rousek
3) Savoie
4) Poltapov
You have something I want:
5) Cederqvist (This may be just role in Rochester, but it's something he does.)
6) Ostlund
7) Kisakov (Yes, yes, yes, he's a shrimp but having watched him be a demand for the puck in the MHL and that includes working to get it back)
8) Kulich
9) Huglen
10) Pekar
11) Sjodin
I'm right here, get me the puck! Oh, alright, FINE, I'll do it myself:
12) Rosen
13) Nadeau
14) Neuchev
15) Sardaryan
16) Marjala
Guys I haven't seen enough to thin slice into this exercise - Konecny, Karlsson, Berndtsson, von Barnekow.
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HOOats
born Ruffian
Incredible haha - thank you for this. I assumed Neuchev might be in the middle category.
MarkusKetterer
Shoulda got one game in
von Barnekow is in the second category. Konecny and Berndtsson are in the 4th category of “I’ll touch the puck but you guys do everything else”. Karlsson is in the “Rico Fata but better defence” category.
The Blunder Years
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I’m putting Ostlund first, he is a possession beast.
He does a lot with the puck once he has it. And it's not like the third tier is bad. It's just that in terms of pursuit, I would put that first group higher right now. Those are just off-the-cuff ratings. Nothing in stone really, just fun.
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