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They've pulled this act so many times now that when Raymond scored I laughed and wasn't even fazed.

Start the shake up at Uh-Oh Better Sell Arena
I suppose if they were winning it would cure everything but one of the sadder parts of the season thus far is that they’re just boring to watch.

With that in mind, can we call the arena U Better Sleep?
 

Rehabguy

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Don't tell the people around here that. Just making the playoffs is and has been the gold standard for most of the fans on these pages for as long as I've been looking at them. It's organizational, from the the very top down to the people who post here. Being actually good and, god forbid, at least somewhat entertaining to watch matters not at all. The most plain vanilla franchise in hockey.
Roy has been the only positive for this team the last decade or so, but even he can only do so much.
 
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Roy has been the only positive for this team the last decade or so, but even he can only do so much.

That’s not remotely true. Trotz was a huge positive and Lou brought stability. Unfortunately Lou can’t make the moves needed to give this team a chance to win the cup. 2 straight conference finals and unfortunately both times we ran into a juggernaut that used a loop hole in the cap to win.

The shingle best thing in the last 10 years to happen to this organization is the new arena. It guarantees that the team will be here for the long haul.

Lou needs to go. The roster needs a lot of turnover, but Roy is not the best thing to happen to this team in the last decade.

Roy is not a miracle worker either but the isles offense is just so...bland. we really lack offensive playmakers.
Yet some posters think we are better without Barzal.
 

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The new car smell of Lee-Horvat-JGP has worn off. Nelson and Palms have trailed off as well. What I will say is that Nelson and Palms have had some good looks still and just can't finish. I believe lines will go back to or similar to what they were on Opening Night.
The 4th line is difficult to watch right now!
 
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I’ve seen some stuff I like from the team, the George promotion and really good play , the reconfiguration of the lines etc.. but our GM needs to roll the dice if we want to be more than a pretender. It comes with a loaded risk factor but if Lou is a hall of fame GM, he needs to take his experience and make a huge move which should involve a Barzal , Dobson or Nelson to reconfigure what is currently an average group who’s prize at the end of a season is a playoff spot. Beyond that ain’t happening
 

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I’ve seen some stuff I like from the team, the George promotion and really good play , the reconfiguration of the lines etc.. but our GM needs to roll the dice if we want to be more than a pretender. It comes with a loaded risk factor but if Lou is a hall of fame GM, he needs to take his experience and make a huge move which should involve a Barzal , Dobson or Nelson to reconfigure what is currently an average group who’s prize at the end of a season is a playoff spot. Beyond that ain’t happening
Should honestly just tear it all down. Team has given up a third period lead way too often since game 2 of the Carolina series in 2023. Its depressing.
 

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I think Roy likes he’s D to handle the puck. They transition so much better now then under Lambert. If you play Hutton you are back to 4 one dimensional dmen who struggle to move the puck. I think he wants to go the opposite way. More dmen that can transition. Skate. Move the puck. And hopefully drive some production. Not shot blockers who just fire pucks around the boards. That’s Lou/Barry world.
I think Roy may need to tailor his gameplan for the players he has on hand. He may want his defense to handle the puck but it hasn't translated to goals. The Islanders don't have the type of shooters who can find the back of the net with enough consistency. Haven't had that for several years. We're 25th in the NHL in offense. It's time for Roy to concede to it and adapt. He's not going to get blood from stone hands.
 

Rehabguy

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Trotz was a huge positive and Lou brought stability.
This is so cliche amongst Islander fans but when exactly did Lou bring stability? After he fired Trotz or after he hired Lambert because I don't think either of those decisions were stabilizing that is- if Trotz really was a huge positive. On the surface this team seems like a hot mess. How is that stabilizing? Maybe Lou himself is the destabilizing force as many are now suggesting but then we can't really say he brought stability can we? It really is a concundrum but I'm sure some can weave a long winded rationalization for that statement. This is why I think the hiring of Roy was the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. I think he can turn this thing around especially when the team is healthy again.
 
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Rehabguy

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The only player I see flashes of offensive brilliance is Tsyp, which is a problem considering he was just picked up from the KHL.
I see those flashes as well but I think his talents are being underutilized. He needs to be around playmakers to get that shot of his off much more often. He needs to be around players who can make plays on the rush. Barzal and Duclair are such players.

Roy is not a miracle worker either but the isles offense is just so...bland. we really lack offensive playmakers.
We got a couple of them but unfortunately they are licking their wounds right now.
 

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Do you think a trade of Barzal would not get a return that could solve a bunch of the team's other problems?
Watching Noah Dobson not piss away points would be a welcome return.

They looked very much like a team at the end of a lengthy road trip last night. If they had pulled the points out of Seattle and Calgary that were available this would sting a little less.

The decision to dress George over Hutton burned them. Likely in both games. Having him out there with less than a minute remaining was puzzling.
 

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Roy has been the only positive for this team the last decade or so, but even he can only do so much.
What exactly has Roy done for this team that makes him so great, he has the same record as the last coach who everyone thought was terrible. He is trying to make them this great defensive team that can hold one or two goal leads and it’s not working.
 

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They move the puck better while still not being able to score.

We also can’t defend below the D zone hash marks.
 

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What exactly has Roy done for this team that makes him so great, he has the same record as the last coach who everyone thought was terrible. He is trying to make them this great defensive team that can hold one or two goal leads and it’s not working.

It's just more fun for the poster to watch, therefore it's "better".
 
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Until this G.M. recognizes it's a personnel problem and not a Coaching problem, Nothing Will Change.
1st Step to fix....
Actually get forwards who are P.K. Specialists, Trade Pelech for a Defensive D-man (The Job He Used To Be Known For).
2nd Step...
Get High End Offensive Talent who actually can finish.
Players who are paid to finish and cannot should not be given extensions....
 
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What exactly has Roy done for this team that makes him so great, he has the same record as the last coach who everyone thought was terrible. He is trying to make them this great defensive team that can hold one or two goal leads and it’s not working.
Style of play is certainly more entertaining especially if you are going to be on the losing end . Lamberts & Trotz style was boring but in the case of Trotz he was winning, Lambert not so much. Roy has played 1/2 the season with over 25% of his lineup out and not the bad 25%. The GM needs to be more active and I think Buffalo would be a good place to shop a Barzal or a Dobson or possibly others to adjust the current lineup
 

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I can’t imagine Lambert keeping this team a few points out of a playoff spot with the entire left side defense manned by AHL players and two thirds of its top line missing. The moment Roy took over EVERY player and I mean EVERY player improved their 5 on 5 GAA playing an offensive minded entertaining system. He knows what he’s doing and with an actual team in front of him he’ll continue to succeed. They are doing well considering the situation right now.
 
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I can’t imagine Lambert keeping this team a few points out of a playoff spot with the entire left side defense manned by AHL players and two thirds of its top line missing. The moment Roy took over EVERY player and I mean EVERY player improved their 5 on 5 GAA playing an offensive minded entertaining system. He knows what he’s doing and with an actual team in front of him he’ll continue to succeed. They are doing well considering the situation right now.
problem is scoring. they cannot score on a power play. this is genuinely a special teams issue, but the islanders refuse to see the issue. they ***REALLY*** could've benefitted from a Noesen or Kovacevic or Marchment or hell even a Carrier or Roslovic. I hate saying it but the islanders actually need to sign players to make the roster less complacent. its scary.
 
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Do you think a trade of Barzal would not get a return that could solve a bunch of the team's other problems?

I’m not entirely against trading Barzal, I just don’t think he is the problem. We need more to end talent. In an ideal world Barzal is your 3rd best forward, unfortunately here he is our best forward by a long shot.

What would your ideal Barzal trade look like?
 

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