Garth Snow the Draft King

[ThreeLeftSkates]

Snow is nothing special come draft day. A few of his odd moves have worked out(DeHaan and Nelson), while his whole smurf defense idea was a bomb. He has been an absolute idiot with handing out contracts(Strait) based on who knows what.
I hate these threads-we are doing well because of the trades and the kid line.

 

[Callum]

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[Do Make Say Think]

Snow was massively underrated because, as expected, turning the Islanders took a long tim

Watch the same thing happen with MacT in Edmonton in about 6 or 7 years if he doesn't get fired

 

[canucks10]

I really think the Islanders hit a home run with Pulock solid player with an absolute bomb of a shot! really wanted him to be available at 24 but i have no complaints about Shinkaruk

 

[Number 57]

It would be hard for Snow to be the draft king since that's Timmins' crown.

Since 2003 and all the way up to 2012 the Habs have had 20 ''good'' picks (that's an average of two NHLers per draft) and have drafted 5 players who could be touted as franchise players (that's an average of 1 franchise player every two drafts).

2003: A.Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Halak
2004: Chipchura, Emelin, Grabovski, Streit
2005: Price, Latendresse, D'Agostini, S.Kostitsyn
2006: Ryan White
2007: McDonagh, Pacioretty, Subban, Weber
2008: -
2009: -
2010: Tinordi, Gallagher
2011: Beaulieu
2012: Galchenyuk

Of course some of those players didn't have a very long NHL career like Latendresse or the Kostitsyns but still made it and were considered quality youngsters. Others like Beaulieu and Tinordi are still inbetween the AHL and NHL but look like they will be quality NHLers very soon.

Other drafted prospects who could be added eventually also include Charles Hudon (leading AHL scorer), Magnus Nygren, Sebastian Collberg, Michael McCarron, Jacob De La Rose, Zachary Fucale, Sven Andrighetto (has looked good in NHL this season) and Nikita Scherbak.

 

[Yerk Toader]

here are some charts showing the numbers of current NHL'ers drafted by each team

http://thecommittedindian.com/nhl-roster-construction-drafted-undrafted-acquired-players/

 

[Darth Milbury]

Snow is nothing special come draft day. A few of his odd moves have worked out(DeHaan and Nelson), while his whole smurf defense idea was a bomb. He has been an absolute idiot with handing out contracts(Strait) based on who knows what.
I hate these threads-we are doing well because of the trades and the kid line.

Oh, please. In addition to "the odd moves" like de Haan and Nelson, you fail to mention the late round gems. Lee was drafted on the sixth round, Czizkas, Martin, Hamonic all came outside the first round. Heck, we only have Leddy because of good drafting on the second round.

As for the contract, Snow has mostly been an absolute master - look at the deals for players like Hamonic and Tavares. The only real brutal contracts he signed were for Bailey and, to a lessor extent, Grabner.

Brian Strait has a cap hit of less than a million dollars. He is making exactly what a number seven defender should be making.



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[Darth Milbury]

We he's been picking top 10 picks for years so its not THAT difficult...is he the worst drafter? Not at all, he is solid. But I wouldn't call him the "King" of drafting either. He's made just as many questionably picks as any GM, including mine.

Snow has done well on the mid to late rounds. But, its not like he was finding Datsyuk there either.

So, I mostly agree with you.

 

[Darth Milbury]

Why does Garth Snow get credit here? The GM might wear the hat but he isn't that one making the call on the picks. Very few GMs are actually actively involved in scouting and come from a scouting back ground.

Who hires and manages the scouts?

 

[ZeroPT*]

Who hires and manages the scouts?

Not challenging you but did Snow make any scouting moves? Like did he hire his own guys or something?

 

[Highmarker]

a couple years ago snow would have been regarded as one of the worst gms in the league. now he's the draft king?

 

[ZeroPT*]

a couple years ago snow would have been regarded as one of the worst gms in the league. now he's the draft king?

To be fair his drafting was never considered a problem. It's just, the rest was really questionable. His trades especially.

But it's not like he had inherited a great situation either..

 

[Darth Milbury]

Not challenging you but did Snow make any scouting moves? Like did he hire his own guys or something?

The scouting staff has been almost entirely revised during his time there.

Trent Klatt, the head of scouting and the guy who pushed for the Isles to draft Nelson, was hired by Snow.

That's not to say I agree that he the "draft king" - I just don't think he should get no credit for whatever good drafting they did do.

 

[Bee Sheriff]

As to how the Isles end up getting Dal Colle AND Ho-Sang at the draft last year is still beyond me.

 

[wingnutks]

snow is nothing special come draft day. A few of his odd moves have worked out(dehaan and nelson), while his whole smurf defense idea was a bomb. he has been an absolute idiot with handing out contracts(strait) based on who knows what.
I hate these threads-we are doing well because of the trades and the kid line.

wtf!?

 

[Thatguystevie]

Snow is nothing special come draft day. A few of his odd moves have worked out(DeHaan and Nelson), while his whole smurf defense idea was a bomb. He has been an absolute idiot with handing out contracts(Strait) based on who knows what.
I hate these threads-we are doing well because of the trades and the kid line.

What are you talking about?

Tavares-5.5 a year
Okposo- 2.8 a year
Nielsen- 2.75 a year
Hamonic- 3.8 a year(until 2020!)
Strait-.775 a year(just above league minimum)

You've got all the facts backwards. He's been terrible with trades(except on draft day) but an ace when it comes to contracts and drafting.

 

[Darth Milbury]

What are you talking about?

Tavares-5.5 a year
Okposo- 2.8 a year
Nielsen- 2.75 a year
Hamonic- 3.8 a year(until 2020!)
Strait-.775 a year(just above league minimum)

You've got all the facts backwards. He's been terrible with trades(except on draft day) but an ace when it comes to contracts and drafting.

I don't even thing he's been terrible in terms of trades. The Vanek and Nino deals were horrible. Maybe you can fault him on trading for a Boyle's rights too. The effort to move it all for a cup run his first year was also ill-advised. Everything else has ranged from MEH to pretty good.


He's not a great GM, but also not the joke some make him out to be.

 

[Nolanitis]

here are some charts showing the numbers of current NHL'ers drafted by each team

http://thecommittedindian.com/nhl-roster-construction-drafted-undrafted-acquired-players/

wow, someone has spent some time looking at numbers. Love it! The charts show that Snow has been a top 3 gm over the past few seasons, so i guess he is one of the 3 kings! Glad with many of his choices and the development he has dedicated his teams too