TV: Game of Thrones | Series Finale - III

[Emperoreddy]

The Dany storyline didn’t need anymore fleshing out. It was all there.

Bran’s stuff is what needed more time. One, maybe two more episodes could have helped.

Full seasons plus two more would have been ridiculously slow moving with way too much filler.

 

[glovesave_35]

The Dany storyline didn’t need anymore fleshing out. It was all there.

Bran’s stuff is what needed more time. One, maybe two more episodes could have helped.

Full seasons plus two more would have been ridiculously slow moving with way too much filler.

Ridiculously slow moving?

There was an established pace to this show from season 1-6. Every season 10 episodes of approximately 1 hour in length. I don't know how much more they would have needed to flesh it out properly, but my biggest problem with seasons 7 and 8 was pacing, which was directly related to length of seasons. I don't care one bit that some episodes were longer. It felt all wrong.

They could have used some of that time to prepare us for Bran being named King at the end of it all. He felt like an "important" character in quotes. He never once felt like he was destined to reign over kingdoms of humans. And then at the end of it all, the most wise person (was he a person still?) in the land allowed a sell-sword with no experience to be made Master of Coin before skipping out on a Privy Council meeting to warg into a seagull to go find a pissed off dragon.

Again, there are lots of things to nitpick, but the biggest shame of it all is how rushed the final seasons felt. They don't fit with the rest of the series and in ten years when people go back and re-watch or get into this series for the first time they will come to the same conclusion and scour the internet wondering what happened and why it is so different.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

The Dany storyline didn’t need anymore fleshing out. It was all there.

No, it wasn't all there. It was a rushed mess which had characters do stupid things to get the "Dany crazy" moment to happen. Varys committing treason because Jon Snow was the "true heir" (Even though he clearly was not interested and there is a major instance of an heir abdicating the throne already in the show) was a idiotic decision.

To act like another season and making S7 and S8 a full 10 episodes which could flesh out Daenerys's conquest of Westeros (instead of armies fast traveling and the entire war occuring in the span of a couple episodes) and the battle against the army of the dead (instead of the "long winter" lasting a grand total of three episodes) and the final confrontation against Cersei (instead of one episode where Daenerys loses a dragon and her advisor and one episode where Daenerys easily takes the city) would just be "filler" comes across as strange to me.

 

[Emperoreddy]

No, it wasn't all there. It was a rushed mess which had characters do stupid things to get the "Dany crazy" moment to happen. Varys committing treason because Jon Snow was the "true heir" (Even though he clearly was not interested and there is a major instance of an heir abdicating the throne already in the show) was a idiotic decision.

To act like another season and making S7 and S8 a full 10 episodes which could flesh out Daenerys's conquest of Westeros (instead of armies fast traveling and the entire war occuring in the span of a couple episodes) and the battle against the army of the dead (instead of the "long winter" lasting a grand total of three episodes) and the final confrontation against Cersei (instead of one episode where Daenerys loses a dragon and her advisor and one episode where Daenerys easily takes the city) would just be "filler" comes across as strange to me.

Your asking for things that were not supposed to be there. There wasn’t supposed to be a long night. The dead were always meant for one episode since any final battle would them was always going to be winner takes all.

How much more of the war did you want? Five episodes watching them just sail or march around to Lannisport or Highgarden? Another two of them marching to King’s Landing? Just chit chatting about the same things over and over?

They already established what Dany was capable of over the course of the entire show. There was nothing sudden or random about her deciding to do the one thing she has threatened to do repeatedly since season 2.

Another 10 episodes of her yelling about burning cities while she continues to burn questionable burn people alive isn’t really going to change where the story is going. It isn’t needed either.

 

[ecemleafs]

Wasn't sure if I should create a new thread (maybe that can come when more info is released), but some rumors and leaks from the prequel. Rumored name is "Bloodmoon". Apparently a photo of Naomi Watts on set:

there is a prequel thread somewhere in here. dont remember if its for the one show that watts is in or for all the prequel pilots that were ordered/requested.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

What did they say the population of King's Landing was, 1 million? It's the fact they were on an important mission and he thought in the limited time he had he could just nip into town and find one inconsequential guy, without even knowing if he had actually made it there in the first place in his little row boat.

But of course it actually worked somehow (just like the let's kidnap an ice zombie plan) because it's D&D and they thought hey everyone likes Gendry and has been wondering where he's gone, let's bring him back and make him do a sex scene with Arya for no reason, that will be cool.

On its own it's not that big a deal, but the final few seasons are just full of dumb stuff like this.

Yeah its kind of crazy that when Davos told him to go back to where he lived, he went back to where he lived. Think of the chances of finding someone where you told them to go...

 

[Siamese Dream]

Yeah its kind of crazy that when Davos told him to go back to where he lived, he went back to where he lived. Think of the chances of finding someone where you told them to go...

In a city of 1 million people the chances are not that good, no

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Another 10 episodes of her yelling about burning cities while she continues to burn questionable burn people alive isn’t really going to change where the story is going. It isn’t needed either.

"Killing slavers and killing civilians who live in a city of free people is exactly the same thing, actually."

Also I feel like you don't understand what the term "fleshing out" means, because you seem to think that by adding more episodes you wouldn't also bring more depth to the plotlines and provide more time to grow characters as necessary, but that it would just be scenes of people doing things that have no thematic impact to characters.

Watch Season 2, and notice how the entire season leads up to a single major battle. Robb Stark slowly marches on Tywin's forces, and we spend the majority of the season with Tywin at Harrenhal discussing the progress of the war and musing on what his best course of action is. That isn't filler, that is proper development and pacing within a season.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

In a city of 1 million people the chances are not that good, no

1. Flea Bottom is one area in King's Landing. It isn't the entirety of it (also the population of King's Landing is 500k, not 1 million).
2. Gendry was a blacksmith, so Davos almost definitely went straight to the blacksmiths in Fleabottom to try and find him working as one again.

Of all things to have an issue with in the last two seasons, that isn't really much of one.

 

[Neutrinos]

In a city of 1 million people the chances are not that good, no

He's a blacksmith and was found working in a blacksmith's shop

It's not that ridiculous

 

[glovesave_35]

In a city of 1 million people the chances are not that good, no

It's a wonder a single murder is ever solved in a city the size of NY.

 

[MadDevil]

He's a blacksmith and was found working in a blacksmith's shop

It's not that ridiculous

It actually might be one of the most logical things about that entire storyline.

 

[Siamese Dream]

But what if he wasn't working that day or never even made it in the first place

What would Davos have done then

It's all very convenient

 

[glovesave_35]

There are lots of other more worthwhile things to get hung up on about the final seasons.

 

[MadDevil]

But what if he wasn't working that day or never even made it in the first place

What would Davos have done then

It's all very convenient

He says he looked at shops, taverns, and brothels before eventually finding him, so it's not really that convenient.

 

[mmalady]

As someone who watched the entire series over the course of a month I am perfectly satisfied with how it all ended. All through it though, I was thinking that I just couldn't imagine watching it week by week and then the long wait between seasons...so many shocking moments and cliffhangers..I would have been going crazy speculating and anticipating...but since I could immediately press "play " there was minimal angst and I could just accept what happened and move on. I believe that is why there are so many unhappy fans that think there were better ways for it to have played out..I became emotionally attached to the people and story after a short time so if I had 10 years of "investment" in these characters, and the long breaks of speculation, perhaps I would feel differently

 

[tacogeoff]

The Dany storyline didn’t need anymore fleshing out. It was all there.

Bran’s stuff is what needed more time. One, maybe two more episodes could have helped.

Full seasons plus two more would have been ridiculously slow moving with way too much filler.

I dont think the Dany storyline needed anymore fleshing out either. All the hints of her going mad were there for quite a while. the moment she turned just felt cheesy via the bell ringing.

Brans stuff needed way more time and they rushed it all a bit too much for my liking. I think they could of easily stretched this season into 2 and it would of felt much more fulfilling and less rushed.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

I dont think the Dany storyline needed anymore fleshing out either. All the hints of her going mad were there for quite a while. the moment she turned just felt cheesy via the bell ringing.

What were these hints, other than a couple vague statements?

 

[tacogeoff]

What were these hints, other than a couple vague statements?

If you did not digest or absorb what the show had provided in her character which would lead you to believe she would not be the savior/uniter of the seven kingdoms then I dont know what to tell you.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

If you did not digest or absorb what the show had provided in her character which would lead you to believe she would not be the savior/uniter of the seven kingdoms then I dont know what to tell you.

"You just didn't get it."

Yes, she was willing to be violent depending on the circumstances. Yes, she made vague statements about taking what is hers with "fire and blood". But her actions were of someone who was compassionate towards those she deemed innocent (those who are disenfranchised or have little to no real power), and ruthless towards those she did not (nobles, slavers, those in open arms against her). At no point did her actions indicate she would be willing to murder countless citizens.

 

[tacogeoff]

"You just didn't get it."

Yes, she was willing to be violent depending on the circumstances. Yes, she made vague statements about taking what is hers with "fire and blood". But her actions were of someone who was compassionate towards those she deemed innocent (those who are disenfranchised or have little to no real power), and ruthless towards those she did not (nobles, slavers, those in open arms against her). At no point did her actions indicate she would be willing to murder countless citizens.

Maybe you didn't? I dont know? the show provided the narrative throughout this series that lead us to this climax.

I dont see any reason she would or should refrain honestly. She did not see the people as innocent but as enemies based on her POV. But I mean this has been hashed and rehashed over and over again. but I do understand that a lot of show viewers wanted her to be the hero of this story and I get it.

 

[glovesave_35]

What were these hints, other than a couple vague statements?

C'mon man. She crucified all those people back across the sea. She talked about laying waste to King's Landing about 15 times throughout the series. She torched Sam's pops and bro after they had surrendered. The clues about her maybe going over the edge were there all along. How it happened was cheesy but it wasn't shocking.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Maybe you didn't? I dont know? the show provided the narrative throughout this series that lead us to this climax.

I dont see any reason she would or should refrain honestly. She did not see the people as innocent but as enemies based on her POV. But I mean this has been hashed and rehashed over and over again. but I do understand that a lot of show viewers wanted her to be the hero of this story and I get it.

Why did she crucify the nobles and not the free men/women of Meereen when she took the city? It is because she understands the difference between those who are in power and those who are not. King's Landing is the only exception in the entire show.

Also please do not put me in a category I do not fall into. Daenerys could have been the final villain of the story. But based on how she was written towards the end that end was hamfisted and worthy of major criticism.

C'mon man. She crucified all those people back across the sea. She talked about laying waste to King's Landing about 15 times throughout the series. She torched Sam's pops and bro after they had surrendered. The clues about her maybe going over the edge were there all along. How it happened was cheesy but it wasn't shocking.

Read above. She crucified nobles because it was rational to believe nobles who owned and helped facilitate the slave trade would be worthy of the sword. What did the regular folk of Kings Landing do to convince her that they were worthy of death?

Also as has been mentioned, Dickon and Randyll Tarly refuse to acknowledge any order she gives, which means they are in open defiance of her claim. If she executed them with a sword like Robb or Eddard did, would that has been fine, or what?

 

[tacogeoff]

Why did she crucify the nobles and not the free men/women of Meereen when she took the city? It is because she understands the difference between those who are in power and those who are not. King's Landing is the only exception in the entire show.

Also please do not put me in a category I do not fall into. Daenerys could have been the final villain of the story. But based on how she was written towards the end that end was hamfisted and worthy of major criticism.

absolutely agree with you on that point. they should of stretched the one season into two. that way her final transition would not have been as quickly done and all the precursors which they laid down throughout the series would have been more sensible.

 

[Siamese Dream]

He says he looked at shops, taverns, and brothels before eventually finding him, so it's not really that convenient.

That just proves the point even further if he did all that then. How did he expect to find one guy out of a whole city.

Oh I know, it's because he read the script