Post-Game Talk: Game #65: Canucks lose 6-1 to the Dallas Stars

[y2kcanucks]

Well to my mind it is the Sedins or Tortorella. The Sedins are wasted under that guy's coaching. Oh yes he can praise them up (and others) but his system is killing them, it's killing the Canucks.

I would expect $7M players to be able to play under any coach...

 

[PRNuck]

We have the worst lose % in the league the last couple of months. **** everything about this team, I'm done until they dismantle it. No leadership, no heart, no effort. Bunch of **** heads that only care about their paychecks and a bonehead management/coaching staff. Dallas Eakins has the right to laugh at this joke of a team right now.

It's called a win percentage, negative nellie.

Just kidding this team is totally ****ed top to bottom and there's no end in sight.

 

[tantalum]

BUrke made a big mistake. The Oilers made a big mistake (sorry but I take Seguin over Hall any day. Always take the center). The Bruins made a big mistake.

Wow.

 

[MikeK]

BUrke made a big mistake. The Oilers made a big mistake (sorry but I take Seguin over Hall any day. Always take the center). The Bruins made a big mistake.

Wow.

Drafts are always easier in hindsight. I would say BOS made the biggest mistake of all. Keep in mind though, Saguin may never have become the player he is now had he not been traded to DAL. Sometimes it's a shocker like that to kick a young kid in the but and open his eyes. He sure is looking like a super star though. I think BOS would like a do-over with that one for sure.

 

[MrShift4]

All this sucking is going to make our next first round exit feel so awesome

 

[y2kcanucks]

All this sucking is going to make our next first round exit feel so awesome

This was so predictable though. The team has declined every year since 2011. They went from winning 15 games in the playoffs to 1 game, to 0 games. No playoffs was the next step.

 

[MrShift4]

This was so predictable though. The team has declined every year since 2011. They went from winning 15 games in the playoffs to 1 game, to 0 games. No playoffs was the next step.

Not as predictable as you saying the same thing over and over again

 

[DCantheDDad]

This was so predictable though. The team has declined every year since 2011. They went from winning 15 games in the playoffs to 1 game, to 0 games. No playoffs was the next step.

So, what is the next step? Middling draft picks or McTanking?

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

Well Matthias was a ray of light, I hope that lasts. Dalpe was passable, especially with some better wingers. Schroeder showed signs on the PP.

Kassian though

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

I had guarenteed we didn't make the playoffs 2 months ago and people wanted to bet me on it lol. Those people no longer exist.

I really thought we had a shot at 5th in the W after December

 

[Wetcoaster]

Bieksa post-game - I am disappoint.
[NHL]569980[/NHL]


Henrik - I am embarrassed - just the same old. same old game after game.
[NHL]569165[/NHL]


Tortorella - What do you think of my deer in the headlights impression?
"We had good meetings before the game." "We gotta figure it out"... rinse, repeat:
[NHL]569166[/NHL]

 

[MikeK]

Man oh man. That looks like one frustrated group.

 

[Finkle is Einhorn]

Well Matthias was a ray of light, I hope that lasts.

The new guys always stand out in their first game or two then get sucked into the suck. Diaz was a ray of light for a couple game too.

 

[Bobs your uncle]

The Canucks have been a SC contender for the past half dozen years but like all teams in all sports, success is cyclical and now the teams decline is has nose-dived. The team has yet to hit bottom yet but we can see it coming up at us very quickly. I think fans can/should expect high draft selections for the next few years. It is what it is.

 

[Wetcoaster]

The Canucks have been a SC contender for the past half dozen years but like all teams in all sports, success is cyclical and now the teams decline is has nose-dived. The team has yet to hit bottom yet but we can see it coming up at us very quickly. I think fans can/should expect high draft selections for the next few years. It is what it is.

So the Canucks will become the Flames 2009 to present, eh?

 

[GPNuck]

I would expect $7M players to be able to play under any coach...

Well Sedins are never going to be grinders.. I think they thought in their minds they could be grinders... But after 1/2 a season of that and the obvious injuries to both of them... They might change their perspective on playing to their strengths only

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

So the Canucks will become the Flames 2009 to present, eh?

I *think* the Canucks will be a quicker rebuild/retool than the Flames but it does depend on their scouting and development.

The Nucks are starting at a much better place than the Flames or Oilers (Flames trading off Phanuef for a bunch of nothing... Oilers not starting with much after Pronger left).

 

[opendoor]

The Flames had also traded away a bunch of picks in the first years they missed the playoffs:

2010 1st rounder: traded for Jokinen
2010 2nd rounder: traded for Bourque
2011 2nd rounder: traded for Stralman (turned into Saad)
2011 3rd rounder: traded for Staios

Then the next year they traded down in the 1st round to "recoup" the 2nd rounder they traded along with Regehr to get Butler and Byron. In the process they passed over Girgensons, Hertl, Teravainen, and Maata to select Jankowski and Sieloff.

Their outlook would look a lot less bleak if they had Schwartz (from 2010), Saad (from 2011), and one of Girgensons, Hertl, Teravainen, or Maatta already in their organization. Pretty much a complete comedy of errors that hopefully the Canucks will avoid.

 

[Flash Walken]

The Flames had also traded away a bunch of picks in the first years they missed the playoffs:

2010 1st rounder: traded for Jokinen
2010 2nd rounder: traded for Bourque
2011 2nd rounder: traded for Stralman (turned into Saad)
2011 3rd rounder: traded for Staios

Then the next year they traded down in the 1st round to "recoup" the 2nd rounder they traded along with Regehr to get Butler and Byron. In the process they passed over Girgensons, Hertl, Teravainen, and Maata to select Jankowski and Sieloff.

Their outlook would look a lot less bleak if they had Schwartz (from 2010), Saad (from 2011), and one of Girgensons, Hertl, Teravainen, or Maatta already in their organization. Pretty much a complete comedy of errors that hopefully the Canucks will avoid.

I see what you're getting at, but their fortunes probably aren't significantly improved because it's unlikely they draft any of those guys, even if they had the picks.

Passed on Maata, twice.

Twice.

Canucks have more pieces to deal to prevent a long bottoming out, but, if the deadline was any indication, it seems like Vancouver has more in common with Calgary in terms of Ownership than they do management.

If you want to draw comparables, there was reportedly a deal on the table for Iginla in 2010 of 1st, Schenn, Simmonds. Sutter, 1st, Despres/whatever is a similar package.

The next season, Iginla really bottomed out.

Edit: More food for thought:

Canucks:
2010: 1st round pick, gabner, bernier for Ballard
2011: 3rd round pick, Oberg for Higgins
2011: 2012 3rd round pick for Lapierre
2011: 2nd round pick to 'recoupe' 2011 3rd, 4th
2012: 2 4ths for Pahlsson

Granted, the canucks got slightly more mileage from these transactions than Calgary got from theirs.

 

[Jack Tripper]

for some reason i decided to test my boredom limits and watch the game on gamecenter...wish i hadn't

i understand a lack of execution when a team has struggled the way it has, but the complete lack of effort and even hint of offensive chances is absolutely mind-bogging

i know this kind of drop-off happens to certain teams in lost seasons (ie 06-07 flyers, 10-11 devils, ect) but there's literally nothing in the team's 2014 performance that provides any hope that things will change anytime soon...no rookies (other than lack) to track development, no chemistry being developed between forwards, no system implementation, no young players (other than jensen) to call up from utica to test out, not even a frickin goal...just complete hopelessness

could care less about tanking...i want the team to win and not get attracted to the idea that losing is acceptable...instead it's just a complete ****show that has trashed the team's reputation around the league for multiple reasons and really should put nobody in the organization off limits

 

[arttk]

So the Canucks will become the Flames 2009 to present, eh?

Hoping this is more of the 06-07 Flyers. Hit rock bottom for one season, come back strong the next season with a high pick.

Hopefully we don't trade that high pick for a L.Schenn though

 

[TheOneArmedMan]

I would expect $7M players to be able to play under any coach...

Exaclty. Sometimes coaching can be a problem but look at Phil Kessel in Toronto. Randy Carlyle is supposedly a defenseive specialist yet Kessel still has 33 goals on the season playing under him. Rangers were still in the top of the east while Torts was coach so I don't think Tortorella is the problem with you guys.