GDT: Game #57: Utah HC @ LA Kings - 7:00pm - Utah16, Arizona61

[Mangosteen]

I'm expecting us to be a cup contender in 3yrs..

You haven't heard about BA 19 year rebuild you stack pick on top of pick untill you are Buffalo

 

[cobra427]

I'm expecting us to be a cup contender in 3yrs...and well, Veggie isn't going to be a starter on a cup contender and well, and who knows if Hrabal will be any good or even make NHL, and so a big question exists on finding a top 10 goalie

All teams expect to be a cup contender in the next 3 years or sooner.

 

[lanky]

All teams expect to be a cup contender in the next 3 years or sooner.

No.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Many goalies in the League are now capable of winning the Cup, it depends so much more on how the team is built and the style they play. That changed with the Cap. You only have so much money to spend and many teams don't see the value in paying a high priced goalie, spending that money on rest of lineup instead. Those teams are competing for the Cup almost every year and winning fairly regularly. You don't need to have great goalie or even the best goalie to win, you just need a goalie who doesnt lose games for you and plays above average for a month.

Agreed, now tell me something I don’t know.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Adin Hill has been above .915 save pct twice (2023 the Year Vegas won was one of those years)...that is pretty good and the barometer for goalies.

I think Veggie is at .910 right now, so that is good, and if we had as good a team as Vegas it would be enough to compete, but we're not and so you gotta have a goalie with a save pct above .915

I think the prevailing sentiment is at what cost does doing so reduce a teams chances of raising the Cup.? IMO, it’s not currently wise to invest too much, or rely too strongly in any one given player.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

I think the prevailing sentiment is at what cost does doing so reduce a teams chances of raising the Cup.? IMO, it’s not currently wise to invest too much, or rely too strongly in any one given player.

I'd never pay over $8M on a goalie...that being said, you can find 2 .910 or better goalies and with team improvement it should raise their level to .915.

I don't think you should spend a ton on goalie, just too much inconsistency year over year. Look at Swayman and Shesterkin.

 

[Jakey53]

I'd never pay over $8M on a goalie...that being said, you can find 2 .910 or better goalies and with team improvement it should raise their level to .915.

I don't think you should spend a ton on goalie, just too much inconsistency year over year. Look at Swayman and Shesterkin.

The Bruins and the NYR are having not very good years. I think it runs deeper than just blaming the goalies.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

The Bruins and the NYR are having not very good years. I think it runs deeper than just blaming the goalies.

No, you are correct and I'm not putting the entire blame on them. I'm just saying that I would never pay $8M or $10M for a goalie

I'd always go for the $5-6M guy who is pretty good at .910 or above.

 

[Jamieh]

The Bruins and the NYR are having not very good years. I think it runs deeper than just blaming the goalies.

When your goalie takes a bigger percentage of the Cap you expect more than just adequate from them. It's like McDavid playing ok all year and fans wondering why Oilers are not winning. The more money you take the more you need to carry a team. That's why most years the top teams are the ones who's best players took a little less.

 

[Jakey53]

When your goalie takes a bigger percentage of the Cap you expect more than just adequate from them. It's like McDavid playing ok all year and fans wondering why Oilers are not winning. The more money you take the more you need to carry a team. That's why most years the top teams are the ones who's best players took a little less.

I agree, but I think you keep on seeing goalies getting paid more than years past. Most years you need above average goalie to win the SC. I don't see a team like Edmonton having a snowballs chance with Skinner in goal. Sure they came close last year but that is with having two of the worlds top five players. I'm not saying you need to do what the NYR did, but goalies are very important, and like you said, most years the top teams are the ones who's best players took a little less. I guess teams like Edmonton and the Leafs are in for more years not winning.

 

[Jamieh]

I agree, but I think you keep on seeing goalies getting paid more than years past. Most years you need above average goalie to win the SC. I don't see a team like Edmonton having a snowballs chance with Skinner in goal. Sure they came close last year but that is with having two of the worlds top five players. I'm not saying you need to do what the NYR did, but goalies are very important, and like you said, most years the top teams are the ones who's best players took a little less. I guess teams like Edmonton and the Leafs are in for more years not winning.

You need your goalie to play well but reality is for the last decade more average goalies have won the Cup than great goalies. Start listing the League's "best" goalies in your head and see how far you have to go to find a Cup winner after Vasilevsky. IMO Hill, Kuemper, Bennington, Murray, Holtby, Crawford, and such are roughly average goalies who put together a decent run to win Cups.

Edit: I agree the Leafs will continue losing as I think they have spent too much on front line talent who cannot carry team when going gets tough. At least Edmonton stars can elevate with the moment.