GDT: Game 56: Aves vs Stares | 7PM |Valentine's Day 2015 |We Almost Caught Up[MOD WARNING]

[Foppa2118]

Here is the Demers Fight/Drama and also the Stuart/Holden hug

Penalties on these two plays:

Demers - 10 min misconduct
Demers - 2 min minor for roughing

McLeod - 10 min misconduct
McLeod - 5 min major for fighting
McLeod - 10 min game misconduct

McLeod kicked out of game and Dallas get s a 3 min PP.

 

[Foppa2118]

New bang bang dance:

 

[freeboy]

its nice to win

 

[The Shermanator]

New bang bang dance:

Gutless and Immature.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Guys missed two open nets. He's got more missed open nets than anyone has goals on the Avs this year.

tracking those scoring chances this year, i was surprised how many chances talbot gets. he just has almost no finishing ability. he had some when he was younger but it's almost all gone now.

 

[Foppa Frossa]

New bang bang dance:

I thought that signified a shutout when I saw it the first time.

 

[tigervixxxen]

tracking those scoring chances this year, i was surprised how many chances talbot gets. he just has almost no finishing ability. he had some when he was younger but it's almost all gone now.

Do you have an update on chances?

 

[Hesher]

Penalties on these two plays:

Demers - 10 min misconduct
Demers - 2 min minor for roughing

McLeod - 10 min misconduct
McLeod - 5 min major for fighting
McLeod - 10 min game misconduct

McLeod kicked out of game and Dallas get s a 3 min PP.

I don't think I've ever seen only one player getting 5 minutes for fighting. Don't you need two guys to have a fight?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I don't think I've ever seen only one player getting 5 minutes for fighting. Don't you need two guys to have a fight?

Seen that question a few times and decided to actually look up the answer...and to my surprise sometimes it only takes one to tango...

Rule 46 - Fighting
46.1 Fighting – A fight shall be deemed to have occurred when at least
one player punches or attempts to punch an opponent repeatedly or
when two players wrestle in such a manner as to make it difficult for
the Linesmen to intervene and separate the combatants.
The Referees are provided very wide latitude in the penalties with
which they may impose under this rule. This is done intentionally to
enable them to differentiate between the obvious degrees of
responsibility of the participants either for starting the fighting or
persisting in continuing the fighting. The discretion provided should be
exercised realistically.​

 

[TheStranger]

Seen that question a few times and decided to actually look up the answer...and to my surprise sometimes it only takes one to tango...

Rule 46 - Fighting
46.1 Fighting – A fight shall be deemed to have occurred when at least
one player punches or attempts to punch an opponent repeatedly or
when two players wrestle in such a manner as to make it difficult for
the Linesmen to intervene and separate the combatants.
The Referees are provided very wide latitude in the penalties with
which they may impose under this rule. This is done intentionally to
enable them to differentiate between the obvious degrees of
responsibility of the participants either for starting the fighting or
persisting in continuing the fighting. The discretion provided should be
exercised realistically.​

So like when Demers hit Mcleod in the face 5 times without getting hit back?

 

[cgf]

tracking those scoring chances this year, i was surprised how many chances talbot gets. he just has almost no finishing ability. he had some when he was younger but it's almost all gone now.

Talbs does a lot of things well out there, he just has no hands. If you could combine him with briere's hands you'd have a really good third liner. But unfortunately we can't just merge the two of them into one player.

 

[Hesher]

Seen that question a few times and decided to actually look up the answer...and to my surprise sometimes it only takes one to tango...

Rule 46 - Fighting
46.1 Fighting – A fight shall be deemed to have occurred when at least
one player punches or attempts to punch an opponent repeatedly or
when two players wrestle in such a manner as to make it difficult for
the Linesmen to intervene and separate the combatants.
The Referees are provided very wide latitude in the penalties with
which they may impose under this rule. This is done intentionally to
enable them to differentiate between the obvious degrees of
responsibility of the participants either for starting the fighting or
persisting in continuing the fighting. The discretion provided should be
exercised realistically.​

Thanks. You learn something new every day

 

[Foppa2118]

Seen that question a few times and decided to actually look up the answer...and to my surprise sometimes it only takes one to tango...

Rule 46 - Fighting
46.1 Fighting – A fight shall be deemed to have occurred when at least
one player punches or attempts to punch an opponent repeatedly or
when two players wrestle in such a manner as to make it difficult for
the Linesmen to intervene and separate the combatants.
The Referees are provided very wide latitude in the penalties with
which they may impose under this rule. This is done intentionally to
enable them to differentiate between the obvious degrees of
responsibility of the participants either for starting the fighting or
persisting in continuing the fighting. The discretion provided should be
exercised realistically.​

So McLeod's "repeated punches" must have been those two quick jabs to the bench that didn't land when he was surrounded by four Dallas Stars on the ice, three Dallas Stars on the bench holding him, and Demers who threw 5-6 of his own punches over the linesman at him connecting on a few.

Because the other play was a shove that grazed his face where he already had stitches, so clearly he didn't punch anyone "repeatedly." Big tough guy Demers with two NHL fights in five years thinks it's a good idea to poke away at Varly for like the fifth time, and expect no one to do anything about it because he's got stitches in his mouth, and then throw punches at a guy being held by the linesman and 7 of his Stars teammates.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Personally...I think the two takeaways from that rule for me were:

1. "A fight shall be deemed to have occurred when at least
one player punches or attempts to punch an opponent..."

2. "The Referees are provided very wide latitude in the penalties with
which they may impose under this rule. This is done intentionally..."

I don't like the call as it was made but I can see how it is at the ref's discretion the way the rules are written. Also, by ejecting both players I think the refs were employing a little game management to ensure the stupid stuff got nipped in the bud there and then. There was still quite a bit of time in the third for stupidity to ensue if they didn't get control of the situation.

 

[TheStranger]

Talbs does a lot of things well out there, he just has no hands. If you could combine him with briere's hands you'd have a really good third liner. But unfortunately we can't just merge the two of them into one player.

Not with that attitude. Talbot and Briere scratched and sent to the Large Haldron Collider

 

[TheStranger]

Personally...I think the two takeaways from that rule for me were:

1. "A fight shall be deemed to have occurred when at least
one player punches or attempts to punch an opponent..."

2. "The Referees are provided very wide latitude in the penalties with
which they may impose under this rule. This is done intentionally..."

I don't like the call as it was made but I can see how it is at the ref's discretion the way the rules are written. Also, by ejecting both players I think the refs were employing a little game management to ensure the stupid stuff got nipped in the bud there and then. There was still quite a bit of time in the third for stupidity to ensue if they didn't get control of the situation.

There's still no real way in all of that that Dallas should have ended up with 3 minutes of major penalty powerplay. At best it should have been 2, 10, game for both.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

There's still no real way in all of that that Dallas should have ended up with 3 minutes of major penalty powerplay. At best it should have been 2, 10, game for both.

I believe the refs viewed McLeod as the aggressor (the initial stuff behind the net) and chose to penalize the AVs by putting them shorthanded to exert control on the situation...like I said, it smacks of game management and while I don't agree with it, that is something we do see fairly often from officials in the NHL.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

Seen that question a few times and decided to actually look up the answer...and to my surprise sometimes it only takes one to tango...

Rule 46 - Fighting
46.1 Fighting – A fight shall be deemed to have occurred when at least
one player punches or attempts to punch an opponent repeatedly or
when two players wrestle in such a manner as to make it difficult for
the Linesmen to intervene and separate the combatants.
The Referees are provided very wide latitude in the penalties with
which they may impose under this rule. This is done intentionally to
enable them to differentiate between the obvious degrees of
responsibility of the participants either for starting the fighting or
persisting in continuing the fighting. The discretion provided should be
exercised realistically.​

Keyword I see is "repeatedly". Didn't cody just throw one punch? And I was under the impression the gloves need to come off, otherwise it's just a roughing penalty, but I'm probably just ignorantly assuming that.

 

[TheStranger]

Keyword I see is "repeatedly". Didn't cody just throw one punch? And I was under the impression the gloves need to come off, otherwise it's just a roughing penalty, but I'm probably just ignorantly assuming that.

I doubt gloves NEED to come off for them to call fighting it's just that 95% of the time that gloves are dropped we see fighting Majors, and 99% of the time gloves don't come off all we see is roughing. I think the latter is because if gloves aren't dropped to initiate a "fight" the refs are generally there to pull the guys apart and it's more of a scrum.

If two guys decided to go off by themselves and have a full fledged fight with gloves on, well, I imagine it would be still called fighting.

That said, almost every game you see someone get popped a few times with a gloved fist and there's certainly never fighting majors attached to it.

 

[tigervixxxen]

The Avs have to be the least dirty team in the league. It's a shame our "dirty" player has such a rep.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Of course every year there are some fights that are so dull the players should be given delay of game penalties instead of fighting.

 

[TheStranger]

The Avs have to be the least dirty team in the league. It's a shame our "dirty" player has such a rep.

We need Bordy back. I miss watching him crunch guys on the board 9 seconds after they move the puck since that's how long it took him to get there.