GDT: Game 28: Red Wings at sabres 7:00 pm et 12/9/24

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

He’s definitely not the problem, I agree w that. If we can find a true 2c or even somehow god forbid trade for one, it would significantly increase the production up front.

Defense. Ha , now that’s another story.

I wonder if Chariot believes he’s good. He acts like he pisses excellence in the morning

I think a solid #3D would wildly transform this defense. Move Chiarot down to #4. And use the best prospects/spare parts on the bottom pair.


Edited: because I'm a moron

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

Happy for Cossa and that it was the captain saving the SO goal puck for his first win. He settled down after a nervy start and was great in the SO vs. both Thompson and Peterka, two pretty slick guys. That's a game he'll never forget, one he can take pride in for the part he played and build on. I think we'll see him again this season. Talbot's old, Lyon fragile and potential trade bait, Husso is Husso.

I see all three of the goalies ahead of Cossa as trade bait, depends upon the deal to be had, the expiring contract ones this year Lyon and Husso likely preferred to be dealt by SY, but given Husso's showing this past stretch, I think SY would be comfortable running with any two of the three at the TDL, they may be comfortable keeping only 1 or none depending upon the placement of the wings in the standings. I think the current plan A is to have Talbot and Cossa next season, but if the right offer comes along...

It was a tough way to break in Cossa, but honestly, I think it was the right way, no time to worry get in there and do the job, he did good job given the situation.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

They were down 2 goals when I turned it off. I switched channels to check out the muscular nude firefighter thing you were watching to see why anyone would choose that. Still doesn't change the context of my post it was a crappy position to throw Cossa in to.

As a former goalie, if you are sitting on the bench, you have to be ready to go in, you don't see the a line change for goalies too often, but they do happen, injuries, change of pace etc, this will be a big part of Cossa's time next year if Talbot is still on the wings as a mentor.

The plus side, is there is very little pressure or expectation on a first time goalie in an NHL game coming for relief. Now that he has played in a game, when he gets an assigned start, the biggest of the butterfly issues should not be there.

Now, will he get a start before they reassign him to GR? If I was Newsy, I would start him on the road against Philly and see how he does, I suspect one one of Lyon/Talbot to be back by Saturday.

 

[Euro Twins]

How did this thread turn into kozlov vs Larkin?

Mamma mia

I see all three of the goalies ahead of Cossa as trade bait, depends upon the deal to be had, the expiring contract ones this year Lyon and Husso likely preferred to be dealt by SY, but given Husso's showing this past stretch, I think SY would be comfortable running with any two of the three at the TDL, they may be comfortable keeping only 1 or none depending upon the placement of the wings in the standings. I think the current plan A is to have Talbot and Cossa next season, but if the right offer comes along...

It was a tough way to break in Cossa, but honestly, I think it was the right way, no time to worry get in there and do the job, he did good job given the situation.

No way. You gotta get rid of husso and Lyon maybe. Both their contracts are done after this season anyways. But you keep Talbot and either have him more as a backup to cossa depending how he does or split time for a season.

But Talbot in no world should be traded

 

[SoupGuru]

Larkin is a good productive player. I just don't know if he's a good leader.

 

[SirloinUB]

I think a solid 3c would wildly transform this defense. Move Chiarot down to #4. And use the best prospects/spare parts on the bottom pair.

Your typo really through me off haha. I was thinking "how wild is it that we have Kasper, Ras, Veleno, Copp, Compher, Motte on this roster and wee need to find a 3C" hahaha

 

[norrisnick]

Yeah, and that’s still an insane point and I say this as one of the biggest Kozlov fanboys that exist.

that would be like if Edmonton traded Zach Hyman or Evander Kane and a 1st for Igor Shesterkin (without concern for the cap implications). They’d stil have a dynamite offense, but they wouldn’t have been outplayed in net in so many key games in the Florida series.

You have a chance to add a historically great player still in his prime and you’re not trading back a historically great player or a Herschel Walker level of futures? You make that trade

Nah. Wings would have been far better off not starting the Dom, Cujo, Legace goalie shit circus.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Your typo really through me off haha. I was thinking "how wild is it that we have Kasper, Ras, Veleno, Copp, Compher, Motte on this roster and wee need to find a 3C" hahaha

Oops! crap. Yes. 3D. Big difference!

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

As a former goalie, if you are sitting on the bench, you have to be ready to go in, you don't see the a line change for goalies too often, but they do happen, injuries, change of pace etc, this will be a big part of Cossa's time next year if Talbot is still on the wings as a mentor.

The plus side, is there is very little pressure or expectation on a first time goalie in an NHL game coming for relief. Now that he has played in a game, when he gets an assigned start, the biggest of the butterfly issues should not be there.

Now, will he get a start before they reassign him to GR? If I was Newsy, I would start him on the road against Philly and see how he does, I suspect one one of Lyon/Talbot to be back by Saturday.

I thought Cossa should have had a start by game two of his call-up, but no complaints about how Husso played starting every second day of the three before Buffalo. Eventually it was going to be a "bad" decision to start him, but going with the goalie who is on a roll and having no back-to-backs, over giving a guy his first NHL start is not a crazy call. .It is good though as you say for Cossa to get the first-game butterfles out of the way and to have settled down, making two excellent stops in the SO.

Hard to see more than one goalie being traded IMO. Next year is set with Talbot/Cossa, Cossa getting a good share of the games (30-plus) so long as he holds up his end, possibly more. Lyon ideally will be moved at or before the TDL, Husso not likely to have any trade value and playing out the string, maybe replaced by Cossa late this season depending on how things look in both Detroit and GR. All three vets are vulnerable to injuries or just niggling things that get in the way and that could be what makes the decisions for SY.

 

[DamonDRW]

A .78pts/GP playdriving center is MASSIVELY more valuable than a .72pts/GP passenger winger. Like, not even in the same stratosphere of value.

passenger, my ass. have you seen him once?!?

 

[Gniwder]

Oops! crap. Yes. 3D. Big difference!

Every center besides DBoss is producing at a 4C level, so it's actually fair to say that this team needs a 3C along with a 2C and 3D.

Lack of secondary scoring is the biggest reason why this team is losing. Bottom 5 in every scoring metrics ES. The win/loss record when Copp scores highlights the issue. Just a little secondary scoring and the team wins games. I could probably pull the same stats with Raz, Compher, etc.

 

[PelagicJoe]

I look at it like this; Larkin is our Modano.

There were simply too many HOF centers ahead of Modano in his playing days for him to be considered top 10, but he was always a great player and a top 50 guy in the NHL most of his career.

The wings need a LEGIT number two center and a good second pair defense. No team in league history has won anything without that.

Larkin is not the problem and people claiming he is are out to lunch.

Modano was a damn good player and a clear #1. Like you said though, he was overshadowed on account of playing the same time as Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman, LaFontaine, etc.

We are missing our Fedorov/Zetterberg/Malkin 2C. We definitely need a 2nd pair D and some good 2nd line wingers.

Larkin, Raymond, Mo, and Ed are a good start.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Modano was a damn good player and a clear #1. Like you said though, he was overshadowed on account of playing the same time as Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman, LaFontaine, etc.

We are missing our Fedorov/Zetterberg/Malkin 2C. We definitely need a 2nd pair D and some good 2nd line wingers.

Larkin, Raymond, Mo, and Ed are a good start.

That's missing a lot lol.

 

[PelagicJoe]

That's missing a lot lol.

We basically have a 1st line and three other lines producing at a 4th line level and without the shutdown capability of a good 4th line (Draper & Maltby.)
Same with our defense. We have a good first pair, and two shitty bottom pairings, or 1.5 since I like Johansson so far.

 

[Twinger]

Glad Cossa got the win. Was happy when we drafted him

 

[odin1981]

Seider showed great character. And sniped a beauty. And that slick pass by edvinsson to Larkin made that whole play happen. I think ed is the best passer on the team besides kane. I'm sick and tired of seeing petry or gustufson on the 2nd pp over edvinsson. It literally makes 0 sense.

I also loved the battle in cossa. If talbot isn't ready for Thursday cossa better get the start because otherwise lalonde should be fired (for yet another reason lol)!

It's 2nd deal management just like Seider. Just wait till Edvinsson is on his second deal and magically he gets promoted to PP time.

 

[odin1981]

I think a solid #3D would wildly transform this defense. Move Chiarot down to #4. And use the best prospects/spare parts on the bottom pair.


Edited: because I'm a moron

That's the big type of trade or ufa pickup I think Steve will look for once ASP is close to coming over.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

That's missing a lot lol.

We are. Depth is what wins in the NHL.

Yzerman and Fedorov didn't win shit in the early 90s except a lot of regular season games. They didn't make a deep run until there was proper depth below them in 1995, and didn't win a cup until 2 years later.

It's harder to maintain that depth in 2024 than in the 90s. The team is suffering the effects of that right now having wasted too much money on Kane, Gus, Tarasenko and Motte to replace guys that were solid pieces for Detroit last year. If some of the kids (Kasper, Danielson, MBN, at least one of Buch or Lombardi and Mazur) become good 2nd and 3rd line scoring depth then they're in good shape. And as long as we spend to the 60/30/10 ratio towards the cap then this team will be ok. As long as there's no more Chiarots, Copps and Comphers eating up that cap space.

 

[dalem177]

Larkin is a good productive player. I just don't know if he's a good leader.

That's my biggest concern. He's the captain and he should be able to get these guys ready to play like they are getting paid.

 

[RabidBadger]

That's my biggest concern. He's the captain and he should be able to get these guys ready to play like they are getting paid.

As should the coach, and at a much higher level. I get what you're saying; it would be nice to have a red-ass captain like McKinnon to rally the troops, but I feel the implemented system and the voice behind it is the real issue.

 

[dalem177]

As should the coach, and at a much higher level. I get what you're saying; it would be nice to have a red-ass captain like McKinnon to rally the troops, but I feel the implemented system and the voice behind it is the real issue.

Sure. It's not all on Larks. It just seems that, to me, Perron was the guy trying to step up and motivate last year. Didn't always work, of course. I know SY had a rep of not saying much in the locker room, maybe Larks is trying to follow that same model. I dunno.

 

[jkutswings]

Sure. It's not all on Larks. It just seems that, to me, Perron was the guy trying to step up and motivate last year. Didn't always work, of course. I know SY had a rep of not saying much in the locker room, maybe Larks is trying to follow that same model. I dunno.

It's almost like, once it's clear that putting it all on the players isn't working, the coach should...

...Maybe make an adjustment?

 

[dalem177]

It's almost like, once it's clear that putting it all on the players isn't working, the coach should...

...Maybe make an adjustment?

I'm trying to talk about Larkin, not LaLonde.

 

[jkutswings]

I'm trying to talk about Larkin, not LaLonde.

That's fair, and I'm not denying the limitations or flaws of the players. But that's just part of acknowledging the reality of the situation, which I don't see the coaching staff doing a great job of.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

How did this thread turn into kozlov vs Larkin?

Mamma mia



No way. You gotta get rid of husso and Lyon maybe. Both their contracts are done after this season anyways. But you keep Talbot and either have him more as a backup to cossa depending how he does or split time for a season.

But Talbot in no world should be traded

Should and could are always a consideration when constructing a team. In no world would a trade of 99 happen, there is no proverbial sacred cows on a team. Talbot is 37 and does not fit into the long term team plan, he will be a mentor for Cossa and others if he is still on the team, but if the right offer comes for him, rest assured, I am confident that SY would trade him if in the best interest of the team.

As I said, the current Plan A most looks like a trade of Husso and/or Lyon if they can and keep Talbot, but if a great deal came along, plan B/C or D would be implemented, especially if the wings are out of the hunt by a lot at the TDL.