GDT: Game 28: Red Wings at sabres 7:00 pm et 12/9/24

[norrisnick]

Larkin is 0,78 pts/GP while Kozlov's career finished with 0,72 pts/GP. Kozlov played in the DPE, with less ice time than Larkin. Didn't have the possibility to watch games back in the 90's/early 00's, so I can't say anything about the eye test or Kozlov's defensive skills, though.

Kozlov had one season during the DPE that he scored more than 58 points. And that was riding shotgun with Dany Heatley.

this says more about the current state of the Red Wings.

Drop Larkin on the 90s Wings and he'd be way higher in the lineup than Kozlov.

 

[Gniwder]

Drop Larkin on the 90s Wings and he'd be way higher in the lineup than Kozlov.

Yup, and conversely put Kozlov or Franzen on the top line of this team, and we're talking about whether to pick Misa or Martone in this draft.

It's like people don't remember what happens when Larkin misses games. You gotta have really bad memory if you can't remember games from last season.

 

[RabidBadger]

They tied the game for him as soon as the second started. You're not watching the game huh?

They were down 2 goals when I turned it off. I switched channels to check out the muscular nude firefighter thing you were watching to see why anyone would choose that. Still doesn't change the context of my post it was a crappy position to throw Cossa in to.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

So... is Cossa our starter now?

Nope. Back to Husso next game. Cossa will ruin the tank and steal the Calder from Celebrini.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

lol


He’s a 1C on this team bc we don’t have a true 1C.

Imagine if we did.

There are about 10 centers I would take over Larkin;

Point
Mackinnon
Barkov
Hughes
Matthews
McDavid
Draisaitl
Miller
Peterson

Anyone else in the 10-15 range I have doubts they could do as well as Larkin has on this team.

 

[19 for president]

There are about 10 centers I would take over Larkin;

Point
Mackinnon
Barkov
Hughes
Matthews
McDavid
Draisaitl
Miller
Peterson

Anyone else in the 10-15 range I have doubts they could do as well as Larkin has on this team.

Wings fans are simply spoiled because we had 2 HOF/Franchise level centers in both the Yzerman/Fed and Datsyuk/Z eras. Larkin is absolutely a top 20 center in the NHL. That makes him a #1 center. He isn't franchise defining, but if you can compete with him as your #1. You just need to have depth around him. He probably shouldn't be your best offensive player if you want to compete, but I think that is already changing with Ray stepping forward. The Wings have been trying and failing to find a #2 center since they signed Weiss and Z stopped being able to consistently play center due to health issues.

I have concerns about Larkin's longevity because a lot of his game 5 on 5 centers around his skating vs IQ, but he has significantly improved his PP game which should help stop his numbers from plummeting once he starts to lose a step. At this rate however, the Wings cannot expect him to be the #1 center by the time they compete. This means one of Kasper/Danielson has to equal him or we have to go find someone.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Wings fans are simply spoiled because we had 2 HOF/Franchise level centers in both the Yzerman/Fed and Datsyuk/Z eras. Larkin is absolutely a top 20 center in the NHL. That makes him a #1 center. He isn't franchise defining, but if you can compete with him as your #1. You just need to have depth around him. He probably shouldn't be your best offensive player if you want to compete, but I think that is already changing with Ray stepping forward. The Wings have been trying and failing to find a #2 center since they signed Weiss and Z stopped being able to consistently play center due to health issues.

I have concerns about Larkin's longevity because a lot of his game 5 on 5 centers around his skating vs IQ, but he has significantly improved his PP game which should help stop his numbers from plummeting once he starts to lose a step. At this rate however, the Wings cannot expect him to be the #1 center by the time they compete. This means one of Kasper/Danielson has to equal him or we have to go find someone.

I look at it like this; Larkin is our Modano.

There were simply too many HOF centers ahead of Modano in his playing days for him to be considered top 10, but he was always a great player and a top 50 guy in the NHL most of his career.

The wings need a LEGIT number two center and a good second pair defense. No team in league history has won anything without that.

Larkin is not the problem and people claiming he is are out to lunch.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Kozlov had one season during the DPE that he scored more than 58 points. And that was riding shotgun with Dany Heatley.


Drop Larkin on the 90s Wings and he'd be way higher in the lineup than Kozlov.

You shut your dirty mouth. Kozzie was awesome.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Larkin is 0,78 pts/GP while Kozlov's career finished with 0,72 pts/GP. Kozlov played in the DPE, with less ice time than Larkin. Didn't have the possibility to watch games back in the 90's/early 00's, so I can't say anything about the eye test or Kozlov's defensive skills, though.

A .78pts/GP playdriving center is MASSIVELY more valuable than a .72pts/GP passenger winger. Like, not even in the same stratosphere of value.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Do you see any differences between Franzen, Kozlov, and Larkin?

And to answer this question. Yeah, Larkin is a center and the other two weren’t. Fedorov and Larionov were the centers for the Russians. Kozlov was basically pure sniper. And Franzen was a wing who could take over a game by crashing the net

Larkin is a better player than both; it’s just a meaningless comparison to throw dirt on Larkin and in a related way on Kozlov.

Larkin isn’t as good as Fedorov or Zetterberg or Datsyuk. All three of those guys are hall of fame players.

 

[roman star]

kozlov played with super stars whom made his job of finishing very easy , and didnt do anywhere near as much for the team as larkin whose a GREAT leader , puck rusher , forechecker . mean while as a CENTER larkins carried a junk roster his entire career , dont even think of putting kozlov in larkins league . because fans judge players on points larkins always underrated

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

And to answer this question. Yeah, Larkin is a center and the other two weren’t. Fedorov and Larionov were the centers for the Russians. Kozlov was basically pure sniper. And Franzen was a wing who could take over a game by crashing the net

Larkin is a better player than both; it’s just a meaningless comparison to throw dirt on Larkin and in a related way on Kozlov.

Larkin isn’t as good as Fedorov or Zetterberg or Datsyuk. All three of those guys are hall of fame players.

Hold on there partner! I'd like to see Larkin rip Kane's mouth guard out, or KO Steve Montador with his glove on, or score 4-5 goals in a game!

 

[izlez]

Turning a Game Day Thread into a Slava Kozlov thread. Truly Impressive

 

[jkutswings]

I'd honestly rather watch Gniwder's firefighters and I don't even swing that way

3 seconds of grunting, whistle, 6 minutes of talking and replays, repeat, until a pre-ordained result

Then you're missing out on a fantastic season for the Lions. 12-1, already clinched a playoff spot, and in the driver's seat for the top playoff seed in the conference.

Everybody is free to like what they like. But for a franchise that hasn't won a championship in 67 years, it's pretty amazing to see a team in this situation, having a realistic chance to win it all.

 

[Snuggs]

Nope. Back to Husso next game. Cossa will ruin the tank and steal the Calder from Celebrini.

And... Save Lalonde's job!

 

[jkutswings]

Agreed. This team would be so much better off w a true 1c and then Larkin on the 2nd line. It would open up so much more opportunities.

Because it would somehow get turn style defenders to actually play defense? Or transform their handful of ancient pylon forwards into scoring machines?

Larkin is just fine. The rest of the kids developing until they're ready to kick these AARP paperweights to the curb is what will open up more opportunities.

 

[jkutswings]

Everyone can hate on Lalonde all they want. But let us stop and give him credit for having the balls to pull husso and put in cossa for the second at least.

You're assuming that it was Lalonde making the call.

I prefer to imagine a Godfather scenario during the first intermission. Husso finds a horse's head in his locker with the note, "If you know what's good for you, you'll sit the rest of this one out. It's my team now. -SC"

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

You're assuming that it was Lalonde making the call.

I prefer to imagine a Godfather scenario during the first intermission. Husso finds a horse's head in his locker with the note, "If you know what's good for you, you'll sit the rest of this one out. It's my team now. -SC"

Admittedly I’m giving Lalonde no benefit of the doubt at this point but in the post game interview he said Husso wasn’t sharp. And went on to talk about his workload but said he had looked sharp in practice before the game.

It sounded like a subtle way of blaming Husso and relieving himself of any responsibility for starting Husso too many games in a row, knowing a lot of people thought Cossa should’ve gotten this start.

I’d prefer a coach who says something more like “Husso has been playing well when our defense hasn’t been very good. He’s always ready to go and looked good in practice but I probably should’ve rested him and started Cossa. That’s on me.”

 

[norrisnick]

You shut your dirty mouth. Kozzie was awesome.

I'm on record stating the Wings shouldn't have traded him for Hasek and that he's criminally underrated among Wing fans. He just isn't on Larkin's level.

 

[One Horse Town]

Seider showed great character. And sniped a beauty. And that slick pass by edvinsson to Larkin made that whole play happen. I think ed is the best passer on the team besides kane. I'm sick and tired of seeing petry or gustufson on the 2nd pp over edvinsson. It literally makes 0 sense.

I also loved the battle in cossa. If talbot isn't ready for Thursday cossa better get the start because otherwise lalonde should be fired (for yet another reason lol)!

Cossa is NOT ready and let in soft goals last night. Sorry no silver lining here to see.

 

[GoBoltz56]

I tuned in to see Cossa get scored on immediately and then heard it was the 2nd goal on like 5 shots so I turned it off. How did he look the rest of the way?

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

I'm on record stating the Wings shouldn't have traded him for Hasek and that he's criminally underrated among Wing fans. He just isn't on Larkin's level.

Yeah, and that’s still an insane point and I say this as one of the biggest Kozlov fanboys that exist.

that would be like if Edmonton traded Zach Hyman or Evander Kane and a 1st for Igor Shesterkin (without concern for the cap implications). They’d stil have a dynamite offense, but they wouldn’t have been outplayed in net in so many key games in the Florida series.

You have a chance to add a historically great player still in his prime and you’re not trading back a historically great player or a Herschel Walker level of futures? You make that trade

 

[Winger98]

I tuned in to see Cossa get scored on immediately and then heard it was the 2nd goal on like 5 shots so I turned it off. How did he look the rest of the way?

like a rookie playing his first game. I thought he settled in and held his own the rest of the way and, maybe more importantly, I thought the team rallied around him a bit. Maybe it was just me, but I thought they picked up their play when he was put in.

 

[The Flying Octopus]

I look at it like this; Larkin is our Modano.

There were simply too many HOF centers ahead of Modano in his playing days for him to be considered top 10, but he was always a great player and a top 50 guy in the NHL most of his career.

The wings need a LEGIT number two center and a good second pair defense. No team in league history has won anything without that.

Larkin is not the problem and people claiming he is are out to lunch.

He’s definitely not the problem, I agree w that. If we can find a true 2c or even somehow god forbid trade for one, it would significantly increase the production up front.

Defense. Ha , now that’s another story.

I wonder if Chariot believes he’s good. He acts like he pisses excellence in the morning

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I'm on record stating the Wings shouldn't have traded him for Hasek and that he's criminally underrated among Wing fans. He just isn't on Larkin's level.

Not sure how the thread took this detour but I agree he's underrated. That guy was clutch.