Post-Game Talk: GAME 23 - FRUSTRATING - Vancouver 2 BRUINS 0

[bobbyorr04]

This is a train wreck that sacco was handed hes done exceptional so far. Give him more time let's see what we they tomorrow. I'm still hopeful .

I'm trying to remain optimistic

..but you are the eternal optimist Don

 

[22Brad Park]

They need to straighten out their team defense first and foremost, and that is precisely what Sacco is doing.

It's been three games and they look like a different team.

The offense will follow, particularly if Sweeney acquires effective scoring help.

Patience, grasshopper.

There lies the problem.The man who made mess is one being counted on to fix it .The hole could get deeper.

 

[The don godfather]

I'm trying to remain optimistic

..but you are the eternal optimist Don

Win tomorrow and things look up again. This will be a roller coaster of a ride.

 

[hrdpuk]

Time for a trade Sweeney for offensive leaning GM

 

[22Brad Park]

Johnson in Johnson out .Geekie 3rd or 4th line Geekie top line.Freddy bottom lines then Freddy on powerplay.Titanic going down & we are moving deck chairs around.I have had enough of Don Sweeney myself.

 

[Caper Bruins fan]

There lies the problem.The man who made mess is one being counted on to fix it .The hole could get deeper.

An old fashioned multi player hockey trade is necessary. Move two pieces out bring in two players.

 

[TD Charlie]

Overall, I didn’t hate their game tonight. Defensively they were very strong. Poured on the shots, including a dozen quality chances.

Who would’ve believed that the guy in charge of some of the worst special teams stats in the league being promoted to head coach would result in them losing a game due to said worst special teams? That was a run on. Deal with it.

Charlie McAvoy is not nearly as good at playing hockey as we have all been lead to believe.

This team has one finisher on it, and he looks like shit this season. Thus, here we are.

Still not sure why that goal counted

 

[TobanWest]

How has Lysell not been given a shot. I'm beyond baffled with many things this season but this one takes the case. This team has no offense and there most gifted, top prospect sits in the minors. Geekie on the top line? Frederic still on the team? Marchy is either cooked or still recovering and Pasta gets covered hard. Try something obvious you clowns. Brown, Johnson, Merk, Viel, all before Lysell. Fire management already FFS

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Bruins made almost all the running. 5v5 57 shot attempts to 23, 25 shots to 12, 13 high danger chances to 1. Zacha's line had a 9-0 shot count, even the 4th went 5-0. Had the legs, they were getting through the neutral zone and the opposition forecheck quite well. Defense was absolutely solid. Just no finish, and their puck movement isn't dynamic enough. Vancouver did a good job blocking shots and getting sticks in lanes, Lankinen was good, but the Bruins made things too easy for them because they lack the horses and the confidence to pass the puck quickly and creatively, the one true sniper on the team is out of touch, and much as they battled for pucks around the crease, nothing fell their way. The Nucks could sit back and defend the house with confidence once they had the lead.

Boston has the second-worst shooting percentage in the league and it's not hard to see why. The forward group badly needs an injection of true scoring talent. Sweeney is not stupid. He knew the team was going to be limited offensively, but he surely underestimated just how bad it is. Too many players have regressed at the same time, your $11m star isn't playing like it, and the natural ability just isn't there to help guys grind their way out of bad form/luck. I see people shopping McAvoy for forward help but I don't think that's realistic. With Hampus out it's not remotely feasible anyway, but even with him back I don't think the D could wear it. Charlie isn't earning his full contract value at the moment, but he's still too important to this team to give up. Replace him with another capable but cheaper defender then yeah, maybe. But that doesn't solve the forward issue in itself.

My idea would be to package up Zacha with Frederic or Geekie and see what that can get you. Pavel is a generally capable player, decent passing game, versatile, solid at the dot, his contract is reasonable. But he is an otherwise top 6 forward who does not have top 6 shooting ability. That might be ok if the Bruins had enough of it elsewhere, but clearly they don't. I know Pasta likes playing with his fellow Czech, but clearly that's not leading to goals at the moment, so it's not reason enough to keep him. If the Bruins wanted/needed to go in harder you could throw Carlo into the mix as well, but then you would need another 2RD of at least some sort of quality so I'm not sure how much that helps. But yeah, main concept is Zacha+Fred/Geek out, genuine scorer in. Chances are they won't be as rounded a player as Zacha in other areas, but so be it. Have got to change up the mix in the forward group.

Sacco has got the defense back in order. The goalies are doing their job. The PK is not perfect but it's progressing. The players have some intent and zip again, they have a clearer, simpler plan and a will to execute it. Those fundamentals are returning. All that is good, if work in progress. They played well here, and they persevered through most of the full 60 even though they couldn't catch a break. But without scoring it's all not going to take you far. So the ball is in the GM's court to make a move. The players are not blameless but it's Don's offseason mistakes that are most evident. Up to him now to at least begin to try and rectify it.

 

[Caper Bruins fan]

There lies the problem.The man who made mess is one being counted on to fix it .The hole could get deeper.

I don’t know. Lindholm has been much more noticeable lately. The big concern is Pasta . Is Sweeney responsible for Pasta’s game falling off a cliff ? Zadarov has been fine lately also . Very steady . Maybe I’m the only one but I feel both Lindholm and Zadarov will continue to improve .

 

[bobbyorr04]

Win tomorrow and things look up again. This will be a roller coaster of a ride.

Bruins roller coaster ride

..is looking more like this right now

 

[22Brad Park]

I don’t know. Lindholm has been much more noticeable lately. The big concern is Pasta . Is Sweeney responsible for Pasta’s game falling off a cliff ? Zadarov has been fine lately also . Very steady . Maybe I’m the only one but I feel both Lindholm and Zadarov will continue to improve .

Pasta is frustrated..Bruins need a smarter GM.

 

[The don godfather]

Bruins roller coaster ride

..is looking more like this right now

And were not even at the half point yet just wished when times like this why they couldn't win one important game at home with cup in building all this wouldn't be as painful now. Oh well keep battling.

 

[Caper Bruins fan]

Bruins made almost all the running. 5v5 57 shot attempts to 23, 25 shots to 12, 13 high danger chances to 1. Zacha's line had a 9-0 shot count, even the 4th went 5-0. Had the legs, they were getting through the neutral zone and the opposition forecheck quite well. Defense was absolutely solid. Just no finish, and their puck movement isn't dynamic enough. Vancouver did a good job blocking shots and getting sticks in lanes, Lankinen was good, but the Bruins made things too easy for them because they lack the horses and the confidence to pass the puck quickly and creatively, the one true sniper on the team is out of touch, and much as they battled for pucks around the crease, nothing fell their way. The Nucks could sit back and defend the house with confidence once they had the lead.

Boston has the second-worst shooting percentage in the league and it's not hard to see why. The forward group badly needs an injection of true scoring talent. Sweeney is not stupid. He knew the team was going to be limited offensively, but he surely underestimated just how bad it is. Too many players have regressed at the same time, your $11m star isn't playing like it, and the natural ability just isn't there to help guys grind their way out of bad form/luck. I see people shopping McAvoy for forward help but I don't think that's realistic. With Hampus out it's not remotely feasible anyway, but even with him back I don't think the D could wear it. Charlie isn't earning his full contract value at the moment, but he's still too important to this team to give up. Replace him with another capable but cheaper defender then yeah, maybe. But that doesn't solve the forward issue in itself.

My idea would be to package up Zacha with Frederic or Geekie and see what that can get you. Pavel is a generally capable player, decent passing game, versatile, solid at the dot, his contract is reasonable. But he is an otherwise top 6 forward who does not have top 6 shooting ability. That might be ok if the Bruins had enough of it elsewhere, but clearly they don't. I know Pasta likes playing with his fellow Czech, but clearly that's not leading to goals at the moment, so it's not reason enough to keep him. If the Bruins wanted/needed to go in harder you could throw Carlo into the mix as well, but then you would need another 2RD of at least some sort of quality so I'm not sure how much that helps. But yeah, main concept is Zacha+Fred/Geek out, genuine scorer in. Chances are they won't be as rounded a player as Zacha in other areas, but so be it. Have got to change up the mix in the forward group.

Sacco has got the defense back in order. The goalies are doing their job. The PK is not perfect but it's progressing. The players have some intent and zip again, they have a clearer, simpler plan and a will to execute it. Those fundamentals are returning. All that is good, if work in progress. They played well here, and they persevered through most of the full 60 even though they couldn't catch a break. But without scoring it's all not going to take you far. So the ball is in the GM's court to make a move. The players are not blameless but it's Don's offseason mistakes that are most evident. Up to him now to at least begin to try and rectify

Pasta is frustrated..Bruins need a smarter GM.

I’ll never get on board with tanking . I need something to watch . I wouldn’t watch a Bruins team that slides to the bottom. Maybe you are right and they will do that anyway but I saw a lot of good things tonight . They owned the puck in the first period.

How has Lysell not been given a shot. I'm beyond baffled with many things this season but this one takes the case. This team has no offense and there most gifted, top prospect sits in the minors. Geekie on the top line? Frederic still on the team? Marchy is either cooked or still recovering and Pasta gets covered hard. Try something obvious you clowns. Brown, Johnson, Merk, Viel, all before Lysell. Fire management already FFS

The little I have seen of Lysell and Merkulov , neither guy would come in and score much .

 

[Fenway]

 

[22Brad Park]

I’ll never get on board with tanking . I need something to watch . I wouldn’t watch a Bruins team that slides to the bottom. Maybe you are right and they will do that anyway but I saw a lot of good things tonight . They owned the puck in the first period.

Going to be a long winter regardless. They keep moving chairs around on the Titanic. They can't score goals and that's a huge problem.Anyhow I will continue to root for them,pain & all.

 

[Fenway]

Coach’s Challenge: VAN @ BOS – 5:53 of the Second Period​

Challenge Initiated By: Boston
Type of Challenge: Missed Game Stoppage Event – Hand Pass
Result: Original call confirmed – Goal Vancouver
Explanation: The Situation Room confirmed there was no hand pass prior to Jake DeBrusk’s goal as the puck deflected off of Conor Garland’s glove. The decision was made in accordance with Rule 79.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

I’ll never get on board with tanking . I need something to watch . I wouldn’t watch a Bruins team that slides to the bottom. Maybe you are right and they will do that anyway but I saw a lot of good things tonight . They owned the puck in the first period.


The little I have seen of Lysell and Merkulov , neither guy would come in and score much .

Did you reply to the right post? Mine never mentioned tanking or a slide to the bottom. The latter isn't impossible, in time, but we're certainly not there yet.

 

[22Brad Park]

I’ll never get on board with tanking . I need something to watch . I wouldn’t watch a Bruins team that slides to the bottom. Maybe you are right and they will do that anyway but I saw a lot of good things tonight . They owned the puck in the first period.


The little I have seen of Lysell and Merkulov , neither guy would come in and score much .

More wasted picks then unless you just filling out AHL roster

 

[Caper Bruins fan]

Did you reply to the right post? Mine never mentioned tanking or a slide to the bottom. The latter isn't impossible, in time, but we're certainly not there yet.

Actually I was going to reply to your post but got sidetracked. No, I know you didn’t suggest tanking .

 

[TobanWest]

I’ll never get on board with tanking . I need something to watch . I wouldn’t watch a Bruins team that slides to the bottom. Maybe you are right and they will do that anyway but I saw a lot of good things tonight . They owned the puck in the first period.


The little I have seen of Lysell and Merkulov , neither guy would come in and score much .

May as well not try him then. Keep calling up Brown. C'mon

 

[TD Charlie]

Coach’s Challenge: VAN @ BOS – 5:53 of the Second Period​

Challenge Initiated By: Boston
Type of Challenge: Missed Game Stoppage Event – Hand Pass
Result: Original call confirmed – Goal Vancouver
Explanation: The Situation Room confirmed there was no hand pass prior to Jake DeBrusk’s goal as the puck deflected off of Conor Garland’s glove. The decision was made in accordance with Rule 79.

To me, the decision was made in spite of Rule 79.

 

[bruins19]

Lankinen played an awesome reboundless game

..and he's now 8-0-0 in road games this season, while the Nucks are on an 8 game road winning streak which leads the league

..but Bruins played hard and got 32 shots and had some really good looks

..but they are so very offensively challenged it's maddening

They particularly struggle against teams that play a collapsing defense.

 

[bruins19]

Bruins made almost all the running. 5v5 57 shot attempts to 23, 25 shots to 12, 13 high danger chances to 1. Zacha's line had a 9-0 shot count, even the 4th went 5-0. Had the legs, they were getting through the neutral zone and the opposition forecheck quite well. Defense was absolutely solid. Just no finish, and their puck movement isn't dynamic enough. Vancouver did a good job blocking shots and getting sticks in lanes, Lankinen was good, but the Bruins made things too easy for them because they lack the horses and the confidence to pass the puck quickly and creatively, the one true sniper on the team is out of touch, and much as they battled for pucks around the crease, nothing fell their way. The Nucks could sit back and defend the house with confidence once they had the lead.

Boston has the second-worst shooting percentage in the league and it's not hard to see why. The forward group badly needs an injection of true scoring talent. Sweeney is not stupid. He knew the team was going to be limited offensively, but he surely underestimated just how bad it is. Too many players have regressed at the same time, your $11m star isn't playing like it, and the natural ability just isn't there to help guys grind their way out of bad form/luck. I see people shopping McAvoy for forward help but I don't think that's realistic. With Hampus out it's not remotely feasible anyway, but even with him back I don't think the D could wear it. Charlie isn't earning his full contract value at the moment, but he's still too important to this team to give up. Replace him with another capable but cheaper defender then yeah, maybe. But that doesn't solve the forward issue in itself.

My idea would be to package up Zacha with Frederic or Geekie and see what that can get you. Pavel is a generally capable player, decent passing game, versatile, solid at the dot, his contract is reasonable. But he is an otherwise top 6 forward who does not have top 6 shooting ability. That might be ok if the Bruins had enough of it elsewhere, but clearly they don't. I know Pasta likes playing with his fellow Czech, but clearly that's not leading to goals at the moment, so it's not reason enough to keep him. If the Bruins wanted/needed to go in harder you could throw Carlo into the mix as well, but then you would need another 2RD of at least some sort of quality so I'm not sure how much that helps. But yeah, main concept is Zacha+Fred/Geek out, genuine scorer in. Chances are they won't be as rounded a player as Zacha in other areas, but so be it. Have got to change up the mix in the forward group.

Sacco has got the defense back in order. The goalies are doing their job. The PK is not perfect but it's progressing. The players have some intent and zip again, they have a clearer, simpler plan and a will to execute it. Those fundamentals are returning. All that is good, if work in progress. They played well here, and they persevered through most of the full 60 even though they couldn't catch a break. But without scoring it's all not going to take you far. So the ball is in the GM's court to make a move. The players are not blameless but it's Don's offseason mistakes that are most evident. Up to him now to at least begin to try and rectify it.

I don’t know what kind of return you would get for Zacha & Fred (and/or Geekie) and the other GM’s will see us coming from a long way off. Zacha is snake-bitten at the moment and Fred just seems to be going through the motions. Adding or substituting Geekie does not seem to move the needle much, but I will keep an open mind.

 

[PatriceBergeron]

How bad does Fabian Lysell have to be to not break into this top 9 over the likes of Geekie, Brazeau, and McLaughlin?