I remember that....didn't we make into December in 1st place that year? Could be wrong, but I recall playing Chicago, and then the wheels just blew the heck off.
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BagHead
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Yeah, there was some stat being tossed around at Thanksgiving about how a team that'd been 1st in the NHL by that holiday had never missed the playoffs (or something like that), and then by Christmas we were still one of the top teams in the league, if not THE top team. All the PDO guys were saying stuff like "the Wild are being sustained by extremely unsustainable shooting%, they're an aberration" and nonsense like that. I then blacked out for 6 months and can't remember anything from that time in my life.
Gaudreau, after a slow start, is looking terrific. Seems to be playing freely, and with confidence. Foligno also had a good game, as did Hartman. Brodin was a boss. I think he really gets up for the Oilers.
JEE had a great screen on Boldy's goal- it wouldn't have gone it w/o it. Still, i think he's a bit off. Think he's still hurt a bit. Spurge also with a clumsy game. His timing and decision making, which is usually really good, is off. I'm hoping it's the long layoff, and not something physical.
Refs seemed to miss a few calls against us. There was a blatant high stick against Boldy, and a tripping call on a delayed call. I can't make my mind up about the hit on Kap... you can argue either way.
JEE had a great screen on Boldy's goal- it wouldn't have gone it w/o it. Still, i think he's a bit off. Think he's still hurt a bit. Spurge also with a clumsy game. His timing and decision making, which is usually really good, is off. I'm hoping it's the long layoff, and not something physical.
Refs seemed to miss a few calls against us. There was a blatant high stick against Boldy, and a tripping call on a delayed call. I can't make my mind up about the hit on Kap... you can argue either way.
Hall of Faber
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Yup that was the game Kane stopped the puck going forward in the SO and NHL said they weren’t enforcing that rule anymore I believe
Dr Jan Itor
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Normally games where you give up a terrible goal against and have one called back don't go your way. Crazy win.
DANOZ28
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all i can say about the hit or knee on knee to kaprizov is what would oilers fans and media be saying if that happened to draisaitl or mcdavid? atleast we got some secondary scoring. good win.
Over 70% of his 5v5 ice time is with Kaprizov. If that’s not being given an offensive role, then I don’t know what an offensive role is.
It’s interesting to watch some of the crowd (not you, but others) that said this past summer that Kaprizov-Eriksson Ek-Boldy needs to be our top line then flip to Rossi needs to be attached to Kaprizov at all times and are quite displeased now that they put Kaprizov-Eriksson Ek-Boldy back together.
Instead of looking at it like Rossi was demoted or in the doghouse, how about people look at it like the coaching staff trusts Rossi to carry the 2nd line similar to how Boldy has carried it in the past. Just a thought.
You misunderstood me: "big offensive or defensive roles if it isn't absolutely necessary" - he got the spot on the first line but got moved as soon as something in the lineup changed due to injury. Also he is never out there at the end of games, on the first PP even if it struggles or players are missing AND he is never even tried on the PK even though it struggles. Think he last played PK under Evason. For me those situations show that you are given responsibility and that the coach trusts your ability to get the result he wants. I also said I liked the 2nd line he is on now as he works very well there. For me it is not necessarily the linemates but more what situations he is allowed to play in and this definetly could be better.
Playing with Kap and Zucc is just where he got put because they need a player there and he took the opportunity during camp and ran with it at the start of the season. Players were (mostly) healthy and the team was winning. Changed pretty quickly.
So in light of this it is pretty hard to see this as a clear positive. Add all the noise around Rossi and yeah...it is just irritating at times. BUT the team is winning and the last one to complain - I am sure - is Rossi. He is not that kind of guy at all.
Playing with Kap and Zucc is just where he got put because they need a player there and he took the opportunity during camp and ran with it at the start of the season. Players were (mostly) healthy and the team was winning. Changed pretty quickly.
So in light of this it is pretty hard to see this as a clear positive. Add all the noise around Rossi and yeah...it is just irritating at times. BUT the team is winning and the last one to complain - I am sure - is Rossi. He is not that kind of guy at all.
Dr Jan Itor
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We were displeased because they put Rossi with Foligno and Trenin, not because he wasn't with Kaprizov. At least, I don't remember people being displeased with his playing with Hartman and Johansson against Edmonton.
Oh man, that 20 minutes of 5v5 with each of Foligno/Trenin through 19 games must have been brutal. That 7-8% timeshare with Foligno/Trenin should definitely out prioritize the 73% timeshare with Kaprizov so much so that we have to hear endlessly that Hynes hates Rossi. Never mind that Hartman and Rossi have played minimally together and already have nearly 40 minutes of 5v5 time together. Makes sense.
Dr Jan Itor
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It wasn’t about the first 19 games, it was about the prospective next 63 games.
Which makes no sense. If I'm looking at the shift charts right, the Foligno-Rossi-Trenin line combination didn't even last the full game against the Stars. In the third period Rossi was almost exclusively skating with Kaprizov and Boldy and the two games after that almost exclusively with Johansson and Hartman. So can we admit that the "Hynes hates Rossi" narrative is false and that one game doesn't dictate how the next 63 will go?
Dr Jan Itor
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Because the lineup that didn’t make any sense failed, which kind of confirms the concerns.
I don’t think Hynes hates Rossi.
And they switched it up almost immediately, so there should absolutely not be cause for concern. They tried something, it failed, they changed it up to something that appears to work much better. What's the problem here?
Dr Jan Itor
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My problem is that I’m annoyed that Rossi is consistently in trade rumors even though he’s done everything the organization has asked of him.
Circulartheory
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I think the trade rumors are more fan fueled. Sure, Russo names him but he has always said, its about the Wild committing longterm to Rossi rather than trying to get rid of him - which I think is a fair point of discussion.
I love Rossi but I am too on the fence of ... is he guy you sign to a 7-year deal at 6mil AAV? If not, perhaps you trade him when his value is high and we got a number of center prospects incoming (Yurov, Heidt, on the lower end Haight, Kumpulainen, Stramel, Bankier) and you still got JEE, Khusnutdinov Hartman, Gaudreau on the roster. But at no point am I trying to get rid of him. It just about managing assets.
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There have been plenty of players that end up in trade rumors where nothing happens. Brodin/Dumba lived that for years and years earlier in their careers.
