future of International tournaments...

[1Gold Standard]

What if a revived World Cup with its gimmick teams is not the commercial success the NHL/NHLPA believes it will be...

and the NHL continues, albeit begrudgingly, with Olympic participation. What is the appetite for a possible Canada-Russia Summit Series in 2022 to celebrate the 50 year anniversary of the historic event, good idea, yes or no?

2 games Montreal

2 games Toronto.

4 games Moscow or some other Russian city.

I'd actually prefer a Summit Series border clash with our American rivals than trying to recreate the Canada-Russia war on ice.

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[Bear12Good]

What if a revived World Cup with its gimmick teams is not the commercial success the NHL/NHLPA believes it will be...

and the NHL continues, albeit begrudgingly, with Olympic participation. What is the appetite for a possible Canada-Russia Summit Series in 2022 to celebrate the 50 year anniversary of the historic event, good idea, yes or no?

2 games Montreal

2 games Toronto.

4 games Moscow or some other Russian city.

I'd actually prefer a Summit Series border clash with our American rivals than trying to recreate the Canada-Russia war on ice.

I think it makes no sense to spend with Russia Super Series
Now only the United States could win Canada

Even though at WJC, Russia is better than the US

 

[jj cale]

Either would be a good series but I agree that the U.S-Canada border clash would be the best one right now.

P.S: I think the upcoming World Cup won't be a great commercial success.

 

[JackSlater]

Sadly the NHL has also mentioned a possible Ryder Cup style tournament taking place. Nothing would get Canadians more interested than cheering on American players as they take on our most heated rival... all of Europe?

 

[Bear12Good]

Sadly the NHL has also mentioned a possible Rydey Cup style tournament taking place. Nothing would get Canadians more interested than cheering on American players as they take on our most heated rival... all of Europe?

Rydey Cup
is big nonsense

 

[xxxx]

I actually like the Ryder cup idea, if it's an additional tournament to the olympics and world cup.

 

[tony d]

Yeah, given the rivalry between Canada and the Us I can't see a Ryder Cup hockey thing working.

 

[Jablkon]

Sadly the NHL has also mentioned a possible Ryder Cup style tournament taking place. Nothing would get Canadians more interested than cheering on American players as they take on our most heated rival... all of Europe?

Thats the reason it will come back to old tracks soon or later. Ryder cup, summit series or world cup with two fake teams are too much designed for NA fans. IT would never attract european fans. WHC final was played as two game serie around 2000 and no one really liked it. I personally think europeans like their one game tourneys with all these shootouts etc. It keeps more teams in a tournament and its more interesting/emotional.

WC with two other teams will maybe survive it, but Rider cup would kill it all and even you guys will fall in love in WHC then. Greece or Great Britain considering leaving EU, europeans dont like nothing more than their state sport competitions. If you put them together you will reach a peak of misery and it will turn to normality then....Europe is way more traditional....

 

[JackSlater]

Thats the reason it will come back to old tracks soon or later. Ryder cup, summit series or world cup with two fake teams are too much designed for NA fans. IT would never attract european fans. WHC final was played as two game serie around 2000 and no one really liked it. I personally think europeans like their one game tourneys with all these shootouts etc. It keeps more teams in a tournament and its more interesting/emotional.

WC with two other teams will maybe survive it, but Rider cup would kill it all and even you guys will fall in love in WHC then. Greece or Great Britain considering leaving EU, europeans dont like nothing more than their state sport competitions. If you put them together you will reach a peak of misery and it will turn to normality then....Europe is way more traditional....

I don't think that Canadians would generally like the Ryder Cup idea either. Canadians are pretty proud in hockey, and there is a rivalry with the United States. Why team up? Did the old NHL allstar format of North America vs the World intrigue anyone?

 

[Bear12Good]

I don't think that Canadians would generally like the Ryder Cup idea either. Canadians are pretty proud in hockey, and there is a rivalry with the United States. Why team up? Did the old NHL allstar format of North America vs the World intrigue anyone?

Rivalry between Canada and the Russia dead?

 

[Jablkon]

I don't think that Canadians would generally like the Ryder Cup idea either. Canadians are pretty proud in hockey, and there is a rivalry with the United States. Why team up? Did the old NHL allstar format of North America vs the World intrigue anyone?

True, Ryder cup probably wouldn't intrigue canadians. I would even question whether this team would be that much stronger than Canada itself right now....

 

[Xokkeu]

What if a revived World Cup with its gimmick teams is not the commercial success the NHL/NHLPA believes it will be...

and the NHL continues, albeit begrudgingly, with Olympic participation. What is the appetite for a possible Canada-Russia Summit Series in 2022 to celebrate the 50 year anniversary of the historic event, good idea, yes or no?

2 games Montreal

2 games Toronto.

4 games Moscow or some other Russian city.

I'd actually prefer a Summit Series border clash with our American rivals than trying to recreate the Canada-Russia war on ice.

The NHL won't ever do an international tournament without the US. Just doesn't make sense for marketing purposes.

I actually think the World Cup comes back as a real normal tournament in 2020 and for at least the foreseeable future we have Olympics and World Cup every two years.

 

[Xokkeu]

Sadly the NHL has also mentioned a possible Ryder Cup style tournament taking place. Nothing would get Canadians more interested than cheering on American players as they take on our most heated rival... all of Europe?

Wonder if the Team North America ******** is a bit of a test case for this.

 

[Yakushev72]

What if a revived World Cup with its gimmick teams is not the commercial success the NHL/NHLPA believes it will be...

and the NHL continues, albeit begrudgingly, with Olympic participation. What is the appetite for a possible Canada-Russia Summit Series in 2022 to celebrate the 50 year anniversary of the historic event, good idea, yes or no?

2 games Montreal

2 games Toronto.

4 games Moscow or some other Russian city.

I'd actually prefer a Summit Series border clash with our American rivals than trying to recreate the Canada-Russia war on ice.

It wouldn't even come close to having the same significance and impact of the 1972 series. Here are some of the reasons:

- Nothing comparable to the aura of the great mystery of the Iron Curtain vs. the West;

- Nothing comparable to the NA professional league vs. Soviet amateur theme which was hyped at the time;

- Nothing comparable to the stunning realization that the Soviet team was actually closely competitive instead of being blown off the ice by 12 goal margins in all 8 games.

- It is not established that Russia represents "the only other significant power" that was perceived in 1972. It should be noted that threads on HF Boards that rank national powers place Russia at 5th or 6th, which seems to underestimate Russia, but that's where Russia is placed.

 

[xxxx]

It wouldn't even come close to having the same significance and impact of the 1972 series. Here are some of the reasons:

- Nothing comparable to the aura of the great mystery of the Iron Curtain vs. the West;

- Nothing comparable to the NA professional league vs. Soviet amateur theme which was hyped at the time;

- Nothing comparable to the stunning realization that the Soviet team was actually closely competitive instead of being blown off the ice by 12 goal margins in all 8 games.

- It is not established that Russia represents "the only other significant power" that was perceived in 1972. It should be noted that threads on HF Boards that rank national powers place Russia at 5th or 6th, which seems to underestimate Russia, but that's where Russia is placed.

I agree with this.

 

[1Gold Standard]

The NHL won't ever do an international tournament without the US. Just doesn't make sense for marketing purposes.

I actually think the World Cup comes back as a real normal tournament in 2020 and for at least the foreseeable future we have Olympics and World Cup every two years.

I'm not sure why you believe the NHL has cornered the market as the sole organizing entity for international tournaments going forward, if Hockey Canada and the Russian Ice Hockey Federation believed that something was worth doing to commemorate the 50 year Anniversary of '72, then they would be free to do something independent of what the NHL in New York thinks or wants.

Personally I have no interest in seeing an attempt at recreating Canada-Russia '72 but would prefer Hockey Canada and USAH to pursue their own Summit Series. That's what I would prefer to see. And I'm sure that the NHL would be interested in being involved and that it would make considerable coin. I would prefer that over this ridiculous gimmicky World Cup the NHL has given us.

 

[Bear12Good]

I'm not sure why you believe the NHL has cornered the market as the sole organizing entity for international tournaments going forward, if Hockey Canada and the Russian Ice Hockey Federation believed that something was worth doing to commemorate the 50 year Anniversary of '72, then they would be free to do something independent of what the NHL in New York thinks or wants.

Personally I have no interest in seeing an attempt at recreating Canada-Russia '72 but would prefer Hockey Canada and USAH to pursue their own Summit Series. That's what I would prefer to see. And I'm sure that the NHL would be interested in being involved and that it would make considerable coin. I would prefer that over this ridiculous gimmicky World Cup the NHL has given us.

I think you can spend two Summit Series
Russia against Sweden and Canada against the United States
How do you like the idea?
The winners of these series will organize another final series

 

[jekoh]

- It is not established that Russia represents "the only other significant power" that was perceived in 1972. It should be noted that threads on HF Boards that rank national powers place Russia at 5th or 6th, which seems to underestimate Russia, but that's where Russia is placed.

Not that I disagree with your point, but to be fair Russia/USSR in 1972 also wasn't "the only other significant power" they were perceived to be, in fact they were not even the reigning world champions when the 72 Series were played (and of course neither was Canada).

 

[Jablkon]

Not that I disagree with your point, but to be fair Russia/USSR in 1972 also wasn't "the only other significant power" they were perceived to be, in fact they were not even the reigning world champions when the 72 Series were played (and of course neither was Canada).

Well, sure,but generally Russia was number 1 in Europe. Fact that Czechoslovakia came up with quite a strong generation didnt change it so much. Definetely not in canadians eyes. I was watching match between CSSR and Canada after Summit series and remember canadian commentator saying smth. like "in my point of view CSSR is best team in Europe". Obviously he set aside CCCP so they probably even doubt whether Sweden was not better than CSSR. It was the first year CSSR came up as a world Champion since 1949....

 

[jekoh]

It was the first year CSSR came up as a world Champion since 1949....

Yet head-to-head between CSSR and SSSR from 68 to 72 was : 5 CSSR wins, 3 Soviet wins and 2 ties, so 72 was hardly a fluke win by an "insignificant" team.

 

[Jablkon]

Yet head-to-head between CSSR and SSSR from 68 to 72 was : 5 CSSR wins, 3 Soviet wins and 2 ties, so 72 was hardly a fluke win by an "insignificant" team.

You forget that CSSR often didnt confirm that achievment in overall tourney standings...

no one said it was an insignificant team. I would never even think about that in this way as a czech native. And it wasnt fluke win for sure. All I said that some people werent even sure who is number two behind CCCP... CSSR - CANADA would never make such hype in Canada anyway.... Even if I wish to, I am not sure that CSSR would deserve CCCP spot in such serie....

I guess Czechoslovakia proved to be competitive against Canada BOB, still results were diverse.... 3:3 against less motivated Canada in 72, 1:0, 0:6,4:5 OT in 76...

Difference between SWE, USA - Russia is comparable to CCCP - CSSR, Russia can beat both, still its so far highly probable that both first will achieve better overal results. That could change soon though...

 

[JackSlater]

I'm not sure why you believe the NHL has cornered the market as the sole organizing entity for international tournaments going forward, if Hockey Canada and the Russian Ice Hockey Federation believed that something was worth doing to commemorate the 50 year Anniversary of '72, then they would be free to do something independent of what the NHL in New York thinks or wants.

Personally I have no interest in seeing an attempt at recreating Canada-Russia '72 but would prefer Hockey Canada and USAH to pursue their own Summit Series. That's what I would prefer to see. And I'm sure that the NHL would be interested in being involved and that it would make considerable coin. I would prefer that over this ridiculous gimmicky World Cup the NHL has given us.

I doubt that the players would be up for such an event in large numbers. They have no problem saying no to Hockey Canada and USA hockey outside of best on best tournaments, and this would be a new event with no precedent.

 

[jekoh]

no one said it was an insignificant team. I would never even think about that in this way as a czech native. And it wasnt fluke win for sure. All I said that some people werent even sure who is number two behind CCCP... CSSR - CANADA would never make such hype in Canada anyway....

My point was : Russia/USSR in 1972 also wasn't "the only other significant power" they were perceived to be.

In other words, yes the Soviets were perceived as "the only other significant power" (and yes CSSR was largely perceived as insignificant). But, in the reality, the Soviets were not "the only other significant power".

Even if I wish to, I am not sure that CSSR would deserve CCCP spot in such serie....

I'm not sure Canada deserved CSSR's spot either.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I doubt that the players would be up for such an event in large numbers. They have no problem saying no to Hockey Canada and USA hockey outside of best on best tournaments, and this would be a new event with no precedent.

I doubt fans or players would be up for a Canada-Russia 8 game do over! But I'm always up for a Canada -USA clash though....and if you wave enough $$$ in front of players, their opinions are swayed somewhat.

just opining on what's possible in the event the gimmicky World Cup is not the success people in New York envisioned.

 

[Jablkon]

My point was : Russia/USSR in 1972 also wasn't "the only other significant power" they were perceived to be.

In other words, yes the Soviets were perceived as "the only other significant power" (and yes CSSR was largely perceived as insignificant). But, in the reality, the Soviets were not "the only other significant power".


I'm not sure Canada deserved CSSR's spot either.

What you talking about?