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PelagicJoe

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With Helm and AA out, Kronwall in and out, and Vanek coming back, what do our lines look like? Just playing with the lines out of boredom, I came up with this.

Nyquist-Nielsen-Vanek
Z-Larkin-Mantha
Tatar-Sheahan-Abdelkader
Miller-Luke-Ott
I guess Lil Bert is #13 unless Jurco is coming back soon.

DDK-Green
Kronwall-Sproul
Ericsson-Marchenko
Smith (bench/press box)
XO if needed
 
AA should be back in a week, I think, no? Hmmm. I've had enough of Zetterberg with Tatar, and Nielsen with Larkin. Possibly this.

Z-Nielsen-Mantha
Vanek-Larkin-Nyquist
Tatar-Sheahan-Bertuzzi
Miller/Ott-Glendening-Abdelkader

DeKeyser-Green
Ericsson-Marchenko
Kronwall-Sproul

- Kronny gets some wheels beside him and sheltered 5 on 5 minutes. Kronny doesn't play special teams. Sproul gets a PP unit.
- Still loving the game of E.
- Could move Abby to the first, Mantha to third, Bert Jr to fourth.
- Could also consider calling up Chevy instead for more skill. He's not killing the A though. Also weird but I'd be okay with Nosek centering line 3.

PP1 - Z-Vanek-Frans-Nyquist-Green
PP2 - Larkin-Tatar-Sheahan-Mantha-Sproul
 
With Jurco in I'd imagine Blashill tries to give him top 9 minutes because playing bottom line minutes wont help him very well. Also, I WOULD LOVE to see the Abby - Z - Nike line again, switch larkin with nike if it fails because that's been a great line for us last season as well.
 
Remember when Sheahan, Tatar, and Jurco were the next wave of talent? :laugh:

As for the lines, I'd like to see Nyquist-Larkin-Vanek tried out. I want no part of Sheahan centering a scoring line and I think Larkin could emulate the role Helm played between those two guys, only with more skill. Unfortunately, that really reduces the talent on any other lines.

We also really need to find a situation that works for Tatar. Unfortunately, I think his ideal role is to play sniper with a couple of playmakers, but we don't have the skill to go him that.

Lastly, I really think Mantha and Zetterberg look good together. I'd like to see that pair stick together for a while.
 
Larkin - Zetterberg - Vanek
Nyquist - Nielsen - Mantha
Tatar - XXX - Abdelkader
Sheahan - Glendening - Ott

Extra - Jurco

XXX = A call-up C. Looking at the Griffins' roster, I would say Lorito (points-wise) but he's small. Maybe Nosek (is he injured?). Sheahan at C makes me nervous.

DeKeyser-Green
Kronwall-Sproul
Ericsson-Marchenko
 
Z is still an important player for us. But not a fan of him on the 1st, tbh. Decrease his IT and we're way better off.
 
Tatar - Nielsen - Abdelkader
Larkin - Zetteberg - Mantha
Nyquist - Sheahan - Vanek
Ott - Glendenning - Miller

When AA comes back, he can slide into Line 3; Drop Sheahan to line 4 and rotate Miller/Ott.

DDK/Green
Marchenko/Big E
Kronwall/Sproul

Seriously can't Eff'n stand Smith at all. His skating isn't even really that great. It's the NHL...just about everyone can skate well these days.
 
Friedman pretty much said that Detroit would be the perfect fit for Dougie Hamilton in his 30 thoughts segment. Wouldn't mind Hamilton for the right price he surely couldn't hurt.

Spitballing here, but Holland would have to send a D back.
Smith (2.75M) /Marchenko (1.45M), Nyquist (4.75M) and 2017 2nd / 2017 3rd (TOR) for Hamilton (5.75M)

He's a 6'6'' RHD that can amass 40 + PTS yearly, these type of players will come at a premium.

Dekeyser - Green
Kronwall - Hamilton
Ericsson - Sproul
 
Spitballing here, but Holland would have to send a D back.
Smith (2.75M) /Marchenko (1.45M), Nyquist (4.75M) and 2017 2nd / 2017 3rd (TOR) for Hamilton (5.75M)

He's a 6'6'' RHD that can amass 40 + PTS yearly, these type of players will come at a premium.

Dekeyser - Green
Kronwall - Hamilton
Ericsson - Sproul

Still leaves you with a gigantic problem scoring. I also think if Sproul is a regular then we don't need all of Green, Sproul and Dougie.
 
Spitballing here, but Holland would have to send a D back.
Smith (2.75M) /Marchenko (1.45M), Nyquist (4.75M) and 2017 2nd / 2017 3rd (TOR) for Hamilton (5.75M)

He's a 6'6'' RHD that can amass 40 + PTS yearly, these type of players will come at a premium.

Dekeyser - Green
Kronwall - Hamilton
Ericsson - Sproul

Yeah on the big board i proposed a deal around Nyquist+Smith+Detroit's 2017 2nd round pick for Dougie Hamilton that should help both us and the Flames. Nyquist would be a nice add along with Monahan and Gaudreau and we could use a D man of Hamilton's caliber here.
 
What makes you guys think Dougie Hamilton will be any good in Detroit? He's already been traded once. Sproul is going to pass him in points soon, too.
 
Hamilton is fools gold imo.

Vanek-Nielson-Abdelkader

Zetterberg-Larkin-Mantha

Tatar- Glendenning- Bert

Nyquist- Sheahan- Ott

Miller

LTIR-Helm


Dekeyser(sigh)- Green

Marchenko-Sproul

Kronwall/Smith- Ericsson


Crazy how we're WAY thinner at C than D. Good thing Nielson seems to be picking it up lately?
 
AA will be back soon enough, these won't happen due to Z staying at center

Z-Frans-Mantha
Vanek-Larkin-Nyquist
AA-Sheahan- Tatar
Bert/Ott-Glenny-Abby

DDK/Green
E/Marchy
Kronner/Sproul

Vanek-Nielsen-Hank-Tats-Green
Mantha-Larkin-Nyquie-AA-Sproul

Vladdy, looks like you have some positions off. Nyquist plays RW pretty much exclusively, 2RDs on the second pair and forcing E back to his off side is probably going to put him in a position to fail again. Can't possibly imagine why Nyquist gets demoted to the fourth, even if you distribute minutes more evenly he deserves better skill players to play with.

Eddie: wow forgot Mantha
 
Yeah, putting Gus on the 4th is beyond me. Totally fine with getting him back on a line with Vanek though. They showed pretty good chemistry.
Too bad that Helm is out to center them.
 
Vladdy, looks like you have some positions off. Nyquist plays RW pretty much exclusively, 2RDs on the second pair and forcing E back to his off side is probably going to put him in a position to fail again. Can't possibly imagine why Nyquist gets demoted to the fourth, even if you distribute minutes more evenly he deserves better skill players to play with.

Good catch. You're right about Ericsson, I should've been more careful and shifted the burden to Smith/Kronwall. Keep in mind this is a limited time lineup until AA gets back. (also between 53 and 48 I should have 48 on the left side)

I want to see our two most aggressive young D get the keys to try and drive some offense and get some o-zone keeps. Marchy and E have an interesting dynamic, but it also puts Marchenko in harms way, as his biggest weakness will be on static plays in the defensive zone. His lack of foot speed and size limit him once the other team gets set up, which is bound to happen a few times with Ericssons below average breakout abilities.

Slotting guys for handedness can really be the final step towards streamlining your lineup, but we're far from that stage. Sproul and Marchenko are both good passers, don't mind filling lanes on the rush and are aggressive on the pinch, but generally patient in most other aspects of the game. I'd like to see if some time together could help tow Marchenko out of his current plateau, and help subsidize how thin we are up front.

As for Nyquist, he's in dangerous territory imo. Generally a LW is going to travel a bit more and be more involved defensively, and he needs to regain those aspects of his game. So many holes have developed in his game since his rookie years.

He absolutely has to do more to turn pucks over and be more involved in the play in general. Offensively he can be a lightning strike, but his offense is more of a solo venture than most isn't it? Pouncing on loose pucks or getting sprung by the D for a break. He's played enough with Sheahan that I don't feel I'm hanging him out to dry completely, and really 15 needs a renaissance of his own. I'd rather see those guys sink or swim on their own terms, than continue to bumble along on the periphery.
 
By suggesting to put him on the 4th, you clearly underrate him. He's got both defensive & offensive plays that were pretty good throughout this young season. Admittedly, he decreased a bit lately. But no one improved that much at the same time to justify demoting him to the 4th.

Once Vanek is back, I'm totally fine seeing him on the 3rd. That's where he's done quite good initially.
 

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