Frequency of line changes

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ramdm5

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How has the frequency of line changes evolved over the years?

I was wondering if the way line changes were done have changed the game at some point or if it has been done the in the same manner since the 50s.

I started thinking about the past when I was toying with the idea of imposing a limit on changes/period - I know that would be impractical in reality though.
 

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A starting point from an earlier thread:

The "Short Shift Game" was introduced to the NHL by Mike Keenan when he became the coach of the Flyers at the start of the 1984-85 season. Playing an up tempo game with a very young roster, vast majority of players 26 years old or younger, Keenan drove the team to the SC finals by playing 30-45 second shifts.

Very quickly the "Short Shift Game" became the norm. Previously shifts were longer, stretching upwards of two minutes. Short shifts were used at times to get match-up advantages, mask injuries or conditioning issues. Conversely some stars would enjoy a double shift while their line mates would change.

Much has been made of the phenomena that NHL players who made their debut in the 1970's/early 1980's had relatively short careers. Mainly an observation since no explanation was advanced.

Now I am proposing a discussion that hopefully may link the "Short Shift Game" with the shorter career of the players that made their NHL debut in the 1970's and early 1980's.

Stamina/Speed
Mike Keenan built his 1984-85 Flyers around youth.Speed was the main consideration over stamina.Positioning and stamina wre not factors since during a shift that lasted 30-40 seconds on ice circumstances rarely repeated during a shift or from shift to shift. If a player was spent after max effort during the 30-40 second shift there was no need to worry that the return rush was going to be damaging or that he could not participate on the offensive rush. Changing on the fly saved or even gained the lost time and distance.

Puck Movement/Puck Carrying
Previously there was a much stronger emphasis on puck carrying as opposed to puck movement. In certain instances this went against one of the basics of hockey that a passed puck gets up ice faster than a carried puck but the rush was a carry over from the old days when forward passing was not allowed or very limited. Teams like the Sabres masked the puck handling weaknesses of their d-men by having Gilbert Perreault rush the puck from their own end or outlet the puck in a fashion similar to a d-man.

Strategy/Inside Game
The "Short Shift Game" changed hockey strategy.Speed replaced stamina - the quick attack replaced sustained pressure, control and counter-attack was replaced by neutralize, clear the zone, chase and create offense by forcing mistakes. The inside game changed.The inside game of wingers going up and down the ice jockeying for position and an inside advantage later in the shift virtually disappeared.

These changes brought about by the "Short Shift Game" had an impact on the older players who had built careers based on stamina, pace and knowledge of the league. Very few were able to adapt. One of the first casualties was Guy Lafleur.Darryl Sittler was traded by the Flyers in early October of 1984 for a young Murray Craven who could play the short shift game and Joe Paterson. Lanny McDonald and Marcel Dionne saw their numbers drop as the western teams moved to the "Short Shift Game", Dionne's effectiveness dropped significantly when traded to the Rangers in the east where the pace was faster.
 

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How has the frequency of line changes evolved over the years?

I was wondering if the way line changes were done have changed the game at some point or if it has been done the in the same manner since the 50s.

I started thinking about the past when I was toying with the idea of imposing a limit on changes/period - I know that would be impractical in reality though.

One thing that helped the change to shorter shifts was the way players were allowed to change on the fly…most of the current changes would be called too many men penalties in the fifties.
 

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I watch Karlsson play the entire powerplay. Play every second shift. And watch on occassion injured teams run their star forwards 25 minutes. Turris played 26 minutes vs Chicago last week.

It makes me think that if you ran you best players more then is now average... If you had 3 days off before a game. Or if you next game is 2 days away.

Does the NHL now go too much for short shifts or play their best players less then is optimal. Crosby and Malkin on separate lines play only 20/21 mins each. What if they played 25 each? Either in longer shifts or more shifts?
 

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A starting point from an earlier thread:

Re: C1958's post. Doesn't the short shift pre-date Keenan? Bowman and particularly Shero were known to have drastically shortened shifts compared to the previous generation of coaches, and Cherry's prime reason for moving Esposito was that he coached shorter shifts and knew Phil was never going to go for it.
 

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Re: C1958's post. Doesn't the short shift pre-date Keenan? Bowman and particularly Shero were known to have drastically shortened shifts compared to the previous generation of coaches, and Cherry's prime reason for moving Esposito was that he coached shorter shifts and knew Phil was never going to go for it.

Ya, Freddy Shero the first in the Modern Era post 67/68 though he & others were using it in the Minors at & before that time. I believe Art Ross is likely the first to employ it back in the late 20's early 30's with expanded rosters. Recall reading something about it but cant remember where or when.
 
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Short Shifts

Re: C1958's post. Doesn't the short shift pre-date Keenan? Bowman and particularly Shero were known to have drastically shortened shifts compared to the previous generation of coaches, and Cherry's prime reason for moving Esposito was that he coached shorter shifts and knew Phil was never going to go for it.

Short shifts on a temporary or short term basis were first identified in the 1925 Montreal/Victoria, Stanley Cup Final. Used by Lester Patrick to neutralize the Canadiens speed with Morenz and Joliat.

Toe Blake started using shortened shifts and four lines when he became coach of the Montreal Canadiens in the fall of 1955. At the time there were scheduling quirks that lead to shortened shifts becoming necessary. The Canadiens and Leafs had Saturday night home games that were televised. Toronto had a mid week home game Wednesday night while Montreal had a mid week home game Thursday night.

Weeks when the Canadiens and Leafs played back-to-back games midweek games, followed by a Saturday night home game, they would play a Sunday night away game in an American city. Four games in five nights, with the fourth game being an away game against a rested team at home that had not played in 3-4 days required shortening the shifts and putting together a fourth line at times using the fifth d-man as a forward.

Some of the minor leagues in the fifties, sixties and seventies were more or less weekend leagues with a team possibly playing games on three consecutive nights/days - Friday, Saturday and Sunday(possibly an afternoon game).

If the third game was against a team that was also playing their third game then things balanced but if the other team had Saturday off, shifts had to be adjusted.

Difference with Keenan was that he played short shifts without regard to the scheduling situation or the need to match against a faster team.
 

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A couple of data points.

From a 1981 matchup of the Edmonton Oilers and the Philadelphia Flyers:

The second time through, I did a shift-by-shift tracking of Gretzky and Clarke (measured in seconds):
Gretzky played over half the game, which to the stats eye is a testament to his perseverence…to the naked eye, though, he loafed around a lot. He was gassed. And who wouldn’t be? Each box above constitutes a “shift;†Gretzky’s shifts average 1:40 to Clarke’s 1:11. 30 seconds is a lifetime at that level, especially at the tail end of a shift. For a point of comparison, the longest shifts in the NHL in 1997-98 were taken by Ray Bourque, who averaged…1:09.

Gretzky was gunning for a record 50 goals in 39 games that night, so his shift lengths were probably out of the ordinary. Clarke's would have been more typical.

I've also seen a Sports Illustrated article from the 70s about a Buffalo-Philadelphia game. I can't find the article now that SI has changed all the links on their archives, but it made the point that Shero was using short shifts against Buffalo. The Sabres started with the French Connection, and Gilbert Perreault played the first 97 seconds of the game. By the time he left the ice the Flyers had already made two line changes and were on their third line.
 

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A couple of data points.

From a 1981 matchup of the Edmonton Oilers and the Philadelphia Flyers:




Gretzky was gunning for a record 50 goals in 39 games that night, so his shift lengths were probably out of the ordinary. Clarke's would have been more typical.

I've also seen a Sports Illustrated article from the 70s about a Buffalo-Philadelphia game. I can't find the article now that SI has changed all the links on their archives, but it made the point that Shero was using short shifts against Buffalo. The Sabres started with the French Connection, and Gilbert Perreault played the first 97 seconds of the game. By the time he left the ice the Flyers had already made two line changes and were on their third line.

Would be interesting to pinpoint the game dates and check against scheduling. Were teams equally rested, travel, etc.
 

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Apologies if I've noted this before. Back in the 1950s through the 1970s, hockey play-by-play announcers used the phrase "changing on the fly" much more frequently than they do now, and it's because changing on the fly has become a normal thing rather than an oddity to be noted. The shifts were so much longer back then--as long as two minutes although anywhere between a minute and a minute and a half was the norm--that coaches could usually wait until a break in play to change lines, and so changing on the fly was much more infrequent and something worth commenting on. The phrase was invoked every single time teams changed on the fly. As the shifts became shorter, coaches were forced more and more to change lines on the fly, to the point where it became so common that television announcers merely say such and such a team is changing lines without adding "on the fly." You do still hear "changing on the fly" occasionally, of course, but much less often--oddly enough even though it occurs much more frequently.

And, as someone else noted above, because changing on the fly became so much more frequent, the "too many men on the ice" standard had to become more laxly enforced with players within, say, a meter or even more of the bench considered not active as long as they don't interfere with play. (I don't know if the standard is embodied in a written rule.)

The shorter shifts and consequent increased frequency of changing on the fly have also forced many more shoot-ins across the opposing blue line to give teams the chance to change lines without risking the opposition getting the puck in mid-ice during the change. This, of course, meant a waste of many puck possessions--not a total waste because time was gained to change lines with minimal risk but rather a waste of an attacking opportunity, which may not have amounted to much anyway because of player fatigue. Watching a recent Canadiens match in which there were few stoppages of play, I estimated that one out of every four puck possessions was used to shoot the puck in for purpose of a line change. The frequency of such shoot-ins, in which possession of the puck is deliberately given over to the opposition, arguably has made the game less attractive, although it has enabled shorter shifts and hence contributed to a faster game.
 

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Changing on the Fly

Apologies if I've noted this before. Back in the 1950s through the 1970s, hockey play-by-play announcers used the phrase "changing on the fly" much more frequently than they do now, and it's because changing on the fly has become a normal thing rather than an oddity to be noted. The shifts were so much longer back then--as long as two minutes although anywhere between a minute and a minute and a half was the norm--that coaches could usually wait until a break in play to change lines, and so changing on the fly was much more infrequent and something worth commenting on. The phrase was invoked every single time teams changed on the fly. As the shifts became shorter, coaches were forced more and more to change lines on the fly, to the point where it became so common that television announcers merely say such and such a team is changing lines without adding "on the fly." You do still hear "changing on the fly" occasionally, of course, but much less often--oddly enough even though it occurs much more frequently.

And, as someone else noted above, because changing on the fly became so much more frequent, the "too many men on the ice" standard had to become more laxly enforced with players within, say, a meter or even more of the bench considered not active as long as they don't interfere with play. (I don't know if the standard is embodied in a written rule.)

The shorter shifts and consequent increased frequency of changing on the fly have also forced many more shoot-ins across the opposing blue line to give teams the chance to change lines without risking the opposition getting the puck in mid-ice during the change. This, of course, meant a waste of many puck possessions--not a total waste because time was gained to change lines with minimal risk but rather a waste of an attacking opportunity, which may not have amounted to much anyway because of player fatigue. Watching a recent Canadiens match in which there were few stoppages of play, I estimated that one out of every four puck possessions was used to shoot the puck in for purpose of a line change. The frequency of such shoot-ins, in which possession of the puck is deliberately given over to the opposition, arguably has made the game less attractive, although it has enabled shorter shifts and hence contributed to a faster game.

Peter9, excellent overview of how the NHL game was played and described in the 1950s and 1960s.

A few comments.

Until the last generation of hockey, the positioning of home and away team benches was not uniform in each arena the way it is today. Some were side by side other arenas saw the benches on opposite sides. Tha Canadiens at the Forum had the penalty box besides ther bench, separated by the doors that opened at center ice.
This lack of uniformity produced various problems. The too many men on the ice rules were loose, a nod to the lack of uniformity.

One of the problems that arose was that in some arenas the away team would have one of the bench doors in their defensive zone for periods one and three. This presented a problem in period two if the forwards came on on the fly in the offensive zone, not the neutral zone, thereby nullifying a rush with an offside.

Another interesting aspect was that a number of tactics were tolerated that allowed teams to force a stoppage in play. Most popular was freezing the puck along the boards during a possession battle. This would draw a whistle, no penalty, followed by a line change by both teams.

Just like the position of the benches was not standardized, the height and positioning of the plexiglass or safety chicken wire mesh around the rink varied. So players could shoot the puck out of the rink to get a play stoppage.Not a penalty in those days.

Goalies would get a play stoppage by freezing the puck at the slightest sign of danger as long as the puck came from an opposing player. Adept veteran defencemen would trap airbourn pucks against their body without closing their hand(s) on it.

Back to strategy.

Tired visiting teams playing against rested home teams would shorten shifts but talent did not always allow them to compete. Will try to post a link to one such situation. Found it. December 26,1959. Chicago at Montréal. Chicago playing third road game in four days, Canadiens rested, first game in six days.
4-2 game midway thru the third period became a 9-2 runaway.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=93794181&postcount=1



Teams had to play thru - no mandated time-outs.

In the playoffs, during long overtime games the shifts would get shorter. Sometimes rested players who had little regulation time ice time would have their moment of fame - Cam Conner.
 
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Back to strategy.

Indeed. Strategy was a much slower paced affair than it is today. 50's through early-mid-70's Coaches (Home Advantage) would generally match their top Defensive Lines vs the oppositions top Offensive Line however... there were only 4 of the 6 teams capable of that and of those 4 (Det/Mtl/Tor/Chi) with the exception of Blake guys like Imlach essentially just "rolled the lines". Detroit pretty much the same; Chicago lacking depth overly reliant on Hull, Mikita & Pilote, Glenn Hall. Ya just didnt see all this micro-managing from the Bench the way you do today as players are much more single skilled specialists. One dimensional. Back in the day you had to have "total game" coming & going. Pat Quinn, I mean, God love him & all, but it was like he was still a Disciple of the 60's & Imlach behind the bench in most notably Vancouver & Toronto. The game had caught up to & surpassed that years earlier yet theres Pat, just roll the lines Boys. Like he didnt care about matchups and modern players, no. They dont have full tool boxes but for the elite 10%. Dont work like that no more.
 
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C58 and anyone else that can contribute - How were Lafleur and Sittler the first casualties of the short shift? My understanding with Lafleur is that he was relegated to the 4rth line during the 84 playoffs and early 84-85 season resulting in less than 10 minutes of ice/game . He was also benched often by Lemaire. I don't know anything about Sittler's decline.
 

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C58 and anyone else that can contribute - How were Lafleur and Sittler the first casualties of the short shift? My understanding with Lafleur is that he was relegated to the 4rth line during the 84 playoffs and early 84-85 season resulting in less than 10 minutes of ice/game . He was also benched often by Lemaire. I don't know anything about Sittler's decline.

Guy Lafleur had two strengths that were impacted by short shifts. Incredible stamina - though a heavy smoker he was able to train with boxers and go thru an intensive three minute shadow boxing routine.

http://collections.banq.qc.ca:81/lapresse/src/pages/2006/03/28/S/82812_20060328LPS08.pdf

Lafleur was also one of the best at managing a shift, using his stamina to skate a checker out of position, attack defenses from various angles. Limited to 30-45 second shifts these advantages were neutralized.

Playing for Bowman - Lafleur would be extra shifted especially when changing on the fly. Getting on the ice for the end of a shift against a tired checker, some time at center or left wing on the PP. Getting extra time with the fourth line and staying on the ice when Lemaire and Shutt came on.

Problems during Lemaire's tenure touched two main issues. Lafleur did not have the luxury of playing with Jacques Lemaire at center on a veteran team that easily adjusted to his strengths and cover/rotate as necessary. Especially true at the start of the 1984-85 season when the Canadiens had six rookie defensemen - Chelios, Kurvers, Svoboda, Ludwig, Carlsson and Nattress with two veterans - Robinson and Green.
 

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C58 and anyone else that can contribute - How were Lafleur and Sittler the first casualties of the short shift? My understanding with Lafleur is that he was relegated to the 4rth line during the 84 playoffs and early 84-85 season resulting in less than 10 minutes of ice/game . He was also benched often by Lemaire. I don't know anything about Sittler's decline.

As for Sittler.... his decline was entirely due to Ballard/Imlach... age... psychological.... I was never much of a "Fan" of his as it was but it was sad to see. Only So Much a Soul can endure. He'd had his heart ripped apart by that organization. Damaged Goods. Naive' kid, never stood a chance. In Keons' shadow.... who was in Armstrongs... who was in Kennedy's... who forever, all of them... will be in Apps.
 
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Imlach?

As for Sittler.... his decline was entirely due to Ballard/Imlach... age... psychological.... I was never much of a "Fan" of his as it was but it was sad to see. Only So Much a Soul can endure. He'd had his heart ripped apart by that organization. Damaged Goods. Naive' kid, never stood a chance. In Keons' shadow.... who was in Armstrongs... who was in Kennedy's... who forever, all of them... will be in Apps.

Imlach was gone by the time Sittler started with the Leafs.

Ballard of course was poison...
 

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Imlach was gone by the time Sittler started with the Leafs.

Ballard of course was poison...

Imlach came back in July 1979.

Back to Darryl Sittler. In Philly he had two and a half good seasons. 1984-85 Under Keenan, Clarke had retired and in training camp when Dave Poulin was moved to center, Sittler was traded to Detroit where he found himself in a support role to a second year Steve Yzerman on a weak team. Without strong linemates he played out the season, missing close to 20 games and the team bought out his contract.

Vancouver was interested but Sittler decided to retire.
 

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Imlach came back in July 1979.

Back to Darryl Sittler. In Philly he had two and a half good seasons. 1984-85 Under Keenan, Clarke had retired and in training camp when Dave Poulin was moved to center, Sittler was traded to Detroit where he found himself in a support role to a second year Steve Yzerman on a weak team. Without strong linemates he played out the season, missing close to 20 games and the team bought out his contract.

Vancouver was interested but Sittler decided to retire.

Indeed. Imlach re-hired. 1979. Bobby Orr thought very highly of Sittler, something I was never able to get my head around. Darryl was always very quixotic. Almost "unreliable" if not undependable. Yeah, played every shift, gave the appearance it was his last Shift but jut did not have the grit, nasty edge... missing pieces to his total game. He was a player too much of & into his own objectives and goals I always felt. It was always about Darryl, not - Team.
A lot of natural talent that had been over-coddled. He was cooked before he arrived. Everything we saw was served cold.
 

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