Freidman: don't expect Campbell to be back Leafs inital offer was 2.75 million per year

[Stephen]

This post is extremely disrespectful to Chris Osgood

Chris Osgood wasn't that spectacular on most Red Wing runs.

 

[Stephen]

1a 1b with these two would be great. Feel like the Leafs need to do what Carolina is doing this year. Toronto has constantly overworked their starter, leading to a decline in play by pretty much every goalie they've had since 2012. These goalies have done fine since leaving, ex. Anderson.

Now that they aren't facing 50+ shots against like they were in the Reimer days, they should be able to split the net fairly well. Mrazk and Campbell being hurt throughout the season didn't help.

If we go 1A 1B we have to get two fresh goalies. Mrazek doesn't work but you could roll the dice on something random and different like Husso/1C or Korpisalo/Georgiev as an example. (I don't know if you would go with Georgiev.

 

[CelticDruid]

But we gain players with no cost too?

Gutted 115 pt teams with 25 year old stars rielly. Lilly sandin. Niemela. Knies coming


You know they can only have 18 skaters right?

Just this year he added 2 of the top ufa goalies to the pool.

I guess I should have been clearer.

Since he took over there has been a huge turnover of prospects, picks and players.

Too many walking for nothing.

Sorry, I'm just one of many who wanted a slow rebuild like Shanahan promised.

 

[Nineteen67]

Not sure yet. We’ll have to see. They posted those totals and pushed the 2x cup champs the distance with a back up & an ahl goalie. They can adjust around enough cap to change that position however they want

Sure. If not Making the playoffs or first round exits is the goal.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Ok, go ahead and believe that. No one passes on the Greatest player to have played the game. But keep telling yourself that.

It's well known that Steve Stavro said Gretzky would not put more fans in the seats and would only sell extra Jerseys and it wouldn't be worth giving him an ownership stake for that. Gretzky was all hot to be an owner and he went for the Coyotes as that was his only option. At that stage of his career it was a smart move by Stavro to not go for it.

 

[Waterbuf]

You look around the league and see games like the one last night with Oettinger vs Markstrom. Leafs and Oilers would do well to find better-than-average goalies if they want to be serious Cup contenders.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

he should probably go to a market where nobody cares about hockey. would probably be best for his emotional wellbeing.

The fact that everyone needs to give him a belly rub to keep him from going off the deep end should be enough to not want to pay him big $$. If we don't sign him, I really doubt some other teams are going to fork over $5M or so for him. He lets in as many OK shots as he stops. You can't have that. Freddy was a headcase too...give me a guy who is just normal.

 

[BLONG7]

Why would he accept 2.75M per when the backup in Mrazek makes 3.8M?

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Nonsense. Players get paid handsomely to take the pressure that comes with being a professional hockey player and the expectations to perform that come with being so. Even the minimum wage NHL player makes 7.5 times or more the salary that your average worker bee makes per year.

They'll get no sympathy from me. Suck it up buttercups.

Money doesn’t make you not human.

 

[Racer88]

Did you watch this game 7, Forget last year that is history. Campbell made alot of great game saving saves in it. Hell, he made three in row short handed. Tampa could have had the game won right after the second period. Beleive it or not even Vasil gets lit up at times.

Yup he made some awesome saves………then let in a couple of softer goals……series over

 

[Martin Skoula]

Money doesn’t make you not human.

Money gets you the best mental coaches and supports available. They don't need to be held to an inhuman standard but their job is quite literally to not crack under pressure.

 

[Morbo]

Why would he accept 2.75M per when the backup in Mrazek makes 3.8M?

if that is true, I would conclude he's not supposed to accept it

 

[Clark4Ever]

Here is the pending list of UFA goalies this off season:

Marc-Andre Fleury	MIN	UFA	37.4	G	6' 2"	185	L	56		2	2	28	2.9	0.908	$7,000,000
Mikko Koskinen	EDM	UFA	33.8	G	6' 7"	202	L	45				27	3.1	0.903	$4,500,000
Darcy Kuemper	COL	UFA	32.0	G	6' 5"	215	L	57				37	2.54	0.921	$4,500,000
Thomas Greiss	DET	UFA	36.2	G	6' 2"	219	L	31		1	1	10	3.66	0.891	$3,600,000
Jaroslav Halak	VAN	UFA	37.0	G	5' 11"	185	L	17				4	2.94	0.903	$1,500,000
Joonas Korpisalo	CBJ	UFA	28.0	G	6' 3"	191	L	22				7	4.15	0.877	$2,800,000
Cory Schneider	NYI	UFA	36.1	G	6' 2"	210	L	1				1	3	0.9	$2,000,000
Braden Holtby	DAL	UFA	32.6	G	6' 1"	215	L	24				10	2.78	0.913	$2,000,000
Martin Jones	PHI	UFA	32.3	G	6' 4"	190	R	35				12	3.43	0.9	$2,000,000
Jack Campbell	TOR	UFA	30.3	G	6' 2"	197	L	49		1	1	31	2.64	0.914	$1,650,000
David Rittich	NSH	UFA	29.7	G	6' 3"	206	L	17				6	3.57	0.886	$1,250,000
Casey DeSmith	PIT	UFA	30.8	G	6' 0"	181	L	26				11	2.79	0.914	$1,250,000
Pheonix Copley	WAS	UFA	30.2	G	6' 4"	196	L	2					3.09	0.878	$1,100,000
Collin Delia	CHI	UFA	27.8	G	6' 2"	208	L	8				1	3.85	0.899	$1,000,000
Malcolm Subban	BUF	UFA	28.3	G	6' 2"	215	L	4					4.86	0.871	$850,000
Scott Wedgewood	DAL	UFA	29.8	G	6' 2"	205	L	37				13	3.14	0.91	$825,000
Keith Kinkaid	NYR	UFA	32.8	G	6' 3"	186	L	1				1	2	0.935	$825,000
Kevin Lankinen	CHI	UFA	27.0	G											$800,000
Calvin Pickard	DET	UFA	30.1	G	6' 1"	195	L	3				1	4.29	0.875	$800,000
Magnus Hellberg	NYR	UFA	31.1	G	6' 6"	209	L	1				1	3	0.87	$800,000
Alex Stalock	SJS	UFA	34.8	G	5' 11"	170	L	1					7.83	0.786	$785,000
Jean-Francois Berube	CBJ	UFA	27.8	G	6' 1"	177	L	6		1	1	3	4.12	0.9	$750,000
Carter Hutton	TOR	UFA	36.3	G	6' 0"	202	L	3					7.76	0.741	$750,000
Michael Houser	BUF	UFA	30.7	G	6' 2"	190	L	2				2	2	0.948	$750,000
Philippe Desrosiers	WPG	UFA	26.7	G	6' 1"	201	L								$750,000
Cam Johnson	CBJ	UFA	27.8	G											$750,000
Garret Sparks	LAK	UFA	28.8	G	6' 3"	201	L	2				1	1.86	0.936	$750,000
Troy Grosenick	BOS	UFA	32.7	G	6' 1"	181	L	0							$750,000
Louis Domingue	PIT	UFA	30.2	G	6' 3"	208	R	2				1	2.02	0.952	$750,000
Chris Gibson	FLA	UFA	29.3	G	6' 2"	217	L	0							$750,000
Craig Anderson	BUF	UFA	40.9	G	6' 2"	185	L	31		1	1	17	3.12	0.897	$750,000
Maxime Lagace	TBL	UFA	29.3	G	6' 2"	190	L	2				1	6.12	0.828	$750,000
Aaron Dell	BUF	UFA	33.0	G	6' 0"	205	L	12				1	4.04	0.893	$750,000
Zane McIntyre	MIN	UFA	29.7	G	6' 2"	206	L								$750,000
Antoine Bibeau	SEA	UFA	28.0	G	6' 2"	207	L	0							$750,000
Andrew Hammond	NJD	UFA	34.2	G	6' 2"	215	L	11				4	3.89	0.879	$750,000
Harri Sateri	ARI	UFA	32.3	G	6' 1"	205	L	6				2	4.23	0.866	$750,000
Charlie Lindgren	STL	UFA	28.3	G	6' 1"	182	R	5				5	1.22	0.958	$750,000
Ville Husso	STL	UFA	27.2	G	6' 3"	205	L	40				25	2.56	0.919	$750,000
Jon Gillies	NJD	UFA	28.2	G	6' 6"	223	L	20		1	1	3	3.7	0.887	$750,000
Alex Lyon	CAR	UFA	29.4	G	6' 1"	201	L	2				1	2.93	0.908	$750,000
Dustin Tokarski	BUF	UFA	32.6	G	6' 0"	198	L	29				10	3.27	0.899	$725,000
Ken Appleby	NYI	UFA	27.1	G	6' 4"	205	L	0							$725,000
Michael Hutchinson	TOR	UFA	32.2	G	6' 3"	198	R	2					4.56	0.857	$725,000

 

[GrizzGreen]

If we go 1A 1B we have to get two fresh goalies. Mrazek doesn't work but you could roll the dice on something random and different like Husso/1C or Korpisalo/Georgiev as an example. (I don't know if you would go with Georgiev.

Fully agree, definitely think that's the way to go

 

[jgs]

It's well known that Steve Stavro said Gretzky would not put more fans in the seats and would only sell extra Jerseys and it wouldn't be worth giving him an ownership stake for that. Gretzky was all hot to be an owner and he went for the Coyotes as that was his only option. At that stage of his career it was a smart move by Stavro to not go for it.

I am talking about when he was traded from Edmonton. He told his dad that he wanted to be traded to Detroit and his dad told him to go to L.A. Toronto wasn't in his plans. It was after that interview he mention the pressure in Toronto. Now I don't know if that was a reason he didn't pick Toronto but it was interesting he would mention that. You are talking about the time during the end of his career. Two diffrent situations. In his prime he wound up picking LA. At the end his wasn't even close the player hes was when he was traded to LA.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I am talking about when he was traded from Edmonton. He told his dad that he wanted to be traded to Detroit and his dad told him to go to L.A. Toronto wasn't in his plans. It was after that interview he mention the pressure in Toronto. Now I don't know if that was a reason he didn't pick Toronto but it was interesting he would mention that. You are talking about the time during the end of his career. Two diffrent situations. In his prime he wound up picking LA. At the end his wasn't even close the player hes was when he was traded to LA.

I always assumed that Pocklington made that trade with LA being the only team that would pay $$ on top of players. I never heard that Gretzky had any choice what so ever in his destination.

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

ferraro on leafs lunch yesterday said jacks coming back...

 

[Nylanderthal]

Sure. If not Making the playoffs or first round exits is the goal.

Mrazek Campbell Holl muzzin kerfoot Kase Mikheyev is 20m. Lots of money to reshape the roster.

 

[Torontonian]

Meh, nothing great about Campbell about from his personality. I'd be okay with having make Mrazek money if we didn't have Mrazek on our roster.

The real issue is we haven't developed a goalie in almost 10 years lol.

 

[McSnypsky]

Campbell gave us adequate Chris Osgood level goaltending in the Tampa series, so I don’t want criticize him too much or be too harsh to a heart and soul goalie performance, but the Leafs are not the 90s Detroit Red Wings.

If we scrounge up some money to spend we need a serious goalie to give the Big 4 a real Plan B game. We likely can’t count on the big guns out scoring our problems in elimination games. Our role players don’t have that killer instinct to lift them up. I like Ville Husso.

Husso wasn't that good in the playoffs though for whatever it's worth.

 

[colchar]

Freidman was on the fan today and it doesn't sound like Jack will be back Freidman said they were very far apart that the Leafs Inital offer was 3 years at around 2.75 million per year.

This report makes me so happy, low ball the shit out of Campbell because if he takes it then he's a backup making backup money

if you piss him off then you can go out and get a real #1 and hopefully a real backup to, because you can't bring him back he's to injury prone and when he did play he sucked, you need to trade him or LTIR him or something but you need to use that money elsewhere.

but Back to Campbell it doesn't sound like he's back and that's a good thing we need better than a 3.15 GAA and 897 save% come playoff time.

We need a guy that can close when he gets the chance, he had 3 cracks it against Montreal and 2 against Tampa and couldn't get it done.

I said it before I will say it again we need John Gibson you put John Gibson on this team and we aren't having these conversations we are talking about Florida.

I want another #1 too, but stop blaming him for the loss. It ain't his fault that the league's #1 power play went 0-18.

Campbell gave us adequate Chris Osgood level goaltending in the Tampa series, so I don’t want criticize him too much or be too harsh to a heart and soul goalie performance, but the Leafs are not the 90s Detroit Red Wings.

If we scrounge up some money to spend we need a serious goalie to give the Big 4 a real Plan B game. We likely can’t count on the big guns out scoring our problems in elimination games. Our role players don’t have that killer instinct to lift them up. I like Ville Husso.

He's a FA and I think the Leafs should offer him whatever they can.

 

[saffronleaf]

The fact that everyone needs to give him a belly rub to keep him from going off the deep end should be enough to not want to pay him big $$. If we don't sign him, I really doubt some other teams are going to fork over $5M or so for him. He lets in as many OK shots as he stops. You can't have that. Freddy was a headcase too...give me a guy who is just normal.

lol not easy to find a 'normal' goaltender but i get you

 

[Brown Dog]

Should have offered Jack the Mrazek contract last offseason and gone dumpster diving for a backup. That Mrazek contract was so dumb.

 

[Stephen]

I want another #1 too, but stop blaming him for the loss. It ain't his fault that the league's #1 power play went 0-18.




He's a FA and I think the Leafs should offer him whatever they can.

If they can take all of the Muzzin salary and throw it at Husso, I would say mission accomplished on a very key position.

 

[Dreakmur]

Mrazek Campbell Holl muzzin kerfoot Kase Mikheyev is 20m. Lots of money to reshape the roster.

Salary is coming back in at least some of those, or picks/prospects that we don't have are going out.