Freidman: don't expect Campbell to be back Leafs inital offer was 2.75 million per year

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Dubas solved defence by adding multiple good defencemen rather than paying a ransom for that mystical 1D.

A point shot on the PP won't solve shit. The team's issue is net front presence. The team had a historically amazing PP when JVR and Kadri played that role.
A PP QB would be nice. Yes, you need net front guys but with Marner and Rielly it becomes easier to focus on Matthews. Keefe s PP has been usless, regardless of who they play against.
Tampa has great playoff PP because their skilled players are also high IQ players.
 
A PP QB would be nice. Yes, you need net front guys but with Marner and Rielly it becomes easier to focus on Matthews. Keefe s PP has been usless, regardless of who they play against.
Tampa has great playoff PP because their skilled players are also high IQ players.

Tampa players are winners and have tons of playoff experience and that builds confidence.

Hedman > Rielly
Stamkos < Matty
Point/Kutch > NylanderMarner
Killorn >= Tavares

I hope so too .. that would really help out if he took a year off to recover

Good luck. Dubas too honorable to do that. Lou on the other hand would have ripped Mrazek a new a.h.
 
I'd have to consider James Reimer as part of a 1A/1B situation. How high could the price possibly be?
 
His highest starts were with Mac as a backup.

Fred's biggest issue was needing to play himself out of funks early and late in the season. Tough to rest a goalie who is rebuilding his confidence and struggling with the basics.
All the revisionist people thinking Fred was so good need to look up that Youtube video of all the crap goals he let in at critical times for us in the playoffs. He didn't do it just once...he did it a lot and from really crappy angles where you wonder how it even went in. Also, he seems to have the injury bug biting him now....I don't like either Campbell or Fred. Bring in some fresh younger blood like Husso and ride it out. From what I saw he was pretty good and shouldn't command a lot.
 
LOL. You really need to calm down dude. Every summer it's the same thing, OMG how will we ever be able to fill the roster with these cap constraints and every summer it happens somehow.
And every summer we end up with more bottom feeders and fewer mid level talent guys as we ship out multiple mid level guys making mid level money to free up that cap space to sign extensions or single higher priced players leaving us to fill the holes with aging league minimum guys , not sure how you think this business model is sustainable but enjoy your rose coloured glasses , I know your deflecting from the elephant in the room that is unfortunately the only movable piece from among the overpaid is your man crush Nylander but we're trying to discuss goalies so lets set that aside for now eh ? On the bright side there still 2 forwards , a defenseman and a goalie making more than a million left to sacrifice before we get to Willie .
 
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I count about a dozen goalies you’re picking ahead of him: Ilya Sorokin; Igor Shesterkin; Jacob Markstrom; Vasilevskiy; Connor Hellebuyck; Darcy Kuemper; Juuse Saros; Thatcher Demko; Frederik Andersen; Tristan Jarry; Robin Lehner; and Fleury. You can quibble with Andersen, Jarry, Lehner, and Fleury if you want.

Campbell likely belongs in the same bunch as Bobrovsky, Oettinger, Swayman, Cam Talbot, Elvis Merzlikins, Jordan Binnington, Semyon Varlamov, and John Gibson (the earlier version anyway).

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But just because other teams went into the $5 million range for somewhat unproven guys like Ullmark and Petersen doesn’t mean the Leafs have to with Campbell.

Four years (or longer) feels long — too long — for Campbell given his age (he’ll be 31 when the playoffs start next season), limited track record (135 career games), and injury history. A deal that long, at the least predictive position in hockey, for just about any goalie not named Shesterkin, Saros, or Vasilevskiy carries real risk, particularly for a team with little margin for error like the Leafs.

Can the Leafs bring the cap hit down — closer to $4 million, say — if they stretch the deal out to three years? Will Campbell be amenable to that kind of discount? Or, is it preferable to make the contract even shorter, if Campbell will agree to it, and raise the cap hit?

I’d lean towards the latter.

Frederik Andersen’s two-year deal with Carolina last summer — $4.5 million cap hit — looks about right that way.
You might say that Campbell had a better platform year than Andersen, which looks true on the surface.

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I do wonder if the Leafs can encourage (squeeze?) Campbell into taking less. He’s loyal, loves playing in Toronto and seems to want to stay. The other thing: Where else is he going to go?

There aren’t a lot of teams with clear starting holes. Good ones, anyway.

The Capitals, clearly, are one. The Oilers are likely another
, though Mike Smith is under contract for next season. The other apparent openings lie with rebuilding squads, such as Buffalo, Chicago, and maybe Detroit (Campbell does hail from Michigan).

New Jersey
might have an opportunity, though the Devils also have Jonathan Bernier (aging and coming off hip surgery) and Mackenzie Blackwood both signed for next season.

Colorado could have a hole at the No. 1 spot if they don’t bring back Darcy Kuemper.

Campbell only needs one other suitor, of course. But he may not have many appealing options out there, especially with some other interesting names available in free agency — some of whom the Leafs might want to consider.
 
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Campbell is asking for $5 million publicly he's probably gonna end up taking in the $3-4 range if and when he signs. It's just a negotiating tactic.

This doesn't mean the Leafs will sign him but I dunno many teams that'd pay $5 million for him. Maybe Edmonton?
 
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Campbell is asking for $5 million publicly he's probably gonna end up taking in the $3-4 range if and when he signs. It's just a negotiating tactic.

This doesn't mean the Leafs will sign him but I dunno many teams that'd pay $5 million for him. Maybe Edmonton?
It only takes 1 team to be willing to pay him that and he will be gone
 
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Campbell is asking for $5 million publicly he's probably gonna end up taking in the $3-4 range if and when he signs. It's just a negotiating tactic.

This doesn't mean the Leafs will sign him but I dunno many teams that'd pay $5 million for him. Maybe Edmonton?
Sabres need to spend $10 million just to get to the cap floor.
 
And every summer we end up with more bottom feeders and fewer mid level talent guys as we ship out multiple mid level guys making mid level money to free up that cap space to sign extensions or single higher priced players leaving us to fill the holes with aging league minimum guys , not sure how you think this business model is sustainable but enjoy your rose coloured glasses , I know your deflecting from the elephant in the room that is unfortunately the only movable piece from among the overpaid is your man crush Nylander but we're trying to discuss goalies so lets set that aside for now eh ? On the bright side there still 2 forwards , a defenseman and a goalie making more than a million left to sacrifice before we get to Willie .
Stopped reading at the bolded. You obviously haven't been reading my posts so you're just foaming at the mouth.
 
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Sabres need to spend $10 million just to get to the cap floor.
That doesn't necessarily require them to pursue free agents looking for term though. I'm obviously working under the assumption that Campbell will be looking for at least some degree of term on his next contract.
 
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Buffalo has cap space because they dole it out sparingly. Don't expect them to spend for the sake of spending.

They do have money I think they have been scared since pegula year one where they messed up the team with awful deals
 
The goaltending issue doesn’t matter if they don’t get buy in from everyone. If there are players still unwilling to sacrifice and do what it takes to win, then expect same results next year.
What “buy-in” did you fail to see that cost them the series vs Tampa? Goaltending and lack of any depth scoring did them in. Both game 7 goals were stoppable and shouldn’t of gone in.
Leafs out shot blocked and outhit Tampa that series. Or are we still pining for more 90’s grits & hits?

Colorado
 
What “buy-in” did you fail to see that cost them the series vs Tampa? Goaltending and lack of any depth scoring did them in. Both game 7 goals were stoppable and shouldn’t of gone in.
Leafs out shot blocked and outhit Tampa that series. Or are we still pining for more 90’s grits & hits?


Colorado
The refs not buying into doing their job impartially.
 
All the revisionist people thinking Fred was so good need to look up that Youtube video of all the crap goals he let in at critical times for us in the playoffs. He didn't do it just once...he did it a lot and from really crappy angles where you wonder how it even went in. Also, he seems to have the injury bug biting him now....I don't like either Campbell or Fred. Bring in some fresh younger blood like Husso and ride it out. From what I saw he was pretty good and shouldn't command a lot.
I dont think Freddy got along well with Dubas and Co. Seems every chance he gets, including a couple days ago, he throws out veiled criticism to that effect. Amazon series suggested the same.

Prior to Dubies team, and for the first bit after he took over, Freddy was one of the most consistently good goalies in the league across two teams - including a TO team that got shelled (helping poor Freddy was low priority). Some incredible playoff performances mixed in with some questionable goals (similar to MAF). Hes back to form now in Carolina.

Freddy wasn't perfect, but to me he seemed like a goalie you should hold onto, cause replacing that can be difficult (where we are now). Treating him well instead of running him out of town may have paid off eventually.
 
I dont think Freddy got along well with Dubas and Co. Seems every chance he gets, including a couple days ago, he throws out veiled criticism to that effect. Amazon series suggested the same.

Prior to Dubies team, and for the first bit after he took over, Freddy was one of the most consistently good goalies in the league across two teams - including a TO team that got shelled (helping poor Freddy was low priority). Some incredible playoff performances mixed in with some questionable goals (similar to MAF). Hes back to form now in Carolina.

Freddy wasn't perfect, but to me he seemed like a goalie you should hold onto, cause replacing that can be difficult (where we are now). Treating him well instead of running him out of town may have paid off eventually.

Or it may have not paid off at all. Freddy was getting old, he was consistently bad for much of two years, and always failed to rise to the challenge in the playoffs. And as soon as the Leafs were actually good defensively, he decided to mentally check out. He went from saving our asses all the time to being a liability far too often. If we could see how he performed in the playoffs, then maybe we can say something different about him, but he is, once again, suffering from injuries so we don't know.

Campbell hasn't really been any better as a starter, but he also hasn't been any worse.
 
Or it may have not paid off at all. Freddy was getting old, he was consistently bad for much of two years, and always failed to rise to the challenge in the playoffs. And as soon as the Leafs were actually good defensively, he decided to mentally check out. He went from saving our asses all the time to being a liability far too often. If we could see how he performed in the playoffs, then maybe we can say something different about him, but he is, once again, suffering from injuries so we don't know.

Campbell hasn't really been any better as a starter, but he also hasn't been any worse.
I dont largely disagree with any of the Freddy commentary in your post, but that's all really just the details of the couple bad years I acknowledged.

The point was, if TO didn't provide a bad environment and run him out of town (granted this is sportsfan speculation), then perhaps we don't have those bad years. And now we still have a top 5/10 goalie on the team who has been around long enough to help form part of that team identity we're struggling with. Just a thought.

Freddy wasn't getting old, hes still not old for a goalie.
 
Another thing, bit suspicious that now Campbell is also letting in those bad goals at bad times in the playoffs.
 
What “buy-in” did you fail to see that cost them the series vs Tampa? Goaltending and lack of any depth scoring did them in. Both game 7 goals were stoppable and shouldn’t of gone in.
Leafs out shot blocked and outhit Tampa that series. Or are we still pining for more 90’s grits & hits?


Colorado
There were a few that didn’t commit, from the beginning, to do what it takes to win a seven game series. It cost the team dearly.

The team wasnt constructed well enough to win a Cup this season, but you feel bad for some guys that didn’t get to experience another round.
 
There were a few that didn’t commit, from the beginning, to do what it takes to win a seven game series. It cost the team dearly.

The team wasnt constructed well enough to win a Cup this season, but you feel bad for some guys that didn’t get to experience another round.
Specifics please not just generalities? How did “buy-in” cost them when they out hit and shot blocked and many other hustle/sacrifice stats were even/leafs favour.
They lost because the bottom of the line up couldn’t give them a goal, and because the goalie gave up a couple he shouldn’t have
 
What “buy-in” did you fail to see that cost them the series vs Tampa? Goaltending and lack of any depth scoring did them in. Both game 7 goals were stoppable and shouldn’t of gone in.
Leafs out shot blocked and outhit Tampa that series. Or are we still pining for more 90’s grits & hits?

Goaltending and depth scoring is the same issue year after year, when you put all your eggs in one basket and pay 4 forwards and use up 1/2 your salary cap space.

So Leafs continue to swap around the deck chairs on a sinking ship, swapping around goaltenders and depth pieces annually hoping it can mask cap management and spending issues. IMO

Leaf fans keep blaming the goalies, when the offense doesn't come through, and the players making the small money $$$ don't carry the ones making all the big money $$ forward each year.

All the $11 mil players are fine its the goalie making $1.65 mil and the depth players making $1.5 mil or less that are the real problem here that need replacing. :wg:

You're only as strong as your weakest link.
 
Goaltending and depth scoring is the same issue year after year, when you put all your eggs in one basket and pay 4 forwards and use up 1/2 your salary cap space.

So Leafs continue to swap around the deck chairs on a sinking ship, swapping around goaltenders and depth pieces annually hoping it can mask cap management and spending issues. IMO

Leaf fans keep blaming the goalies, when the offense doesn't come through, and the players making the small money $$$ don't carry the ones making all the big money $$ forward each year.

All the $11 mil players are fine its the goalie making $1.65 mil and the depth players making $1.5 mil or less that are the real problem here that need replacing. :wg:

You're only as strong as your weakest link.
I have been saying that for years. How can we look at the bottom 6 and blame them when the top dogs can't pull their full weight. Even the series against TB was ok...but definitely nothing like McDavid or other super stars did for their teams. We are thrilled that they didn't get shut out like that's an amazing accomplishment and all is ok.

Plus I really think that this 40-50% of the team (or Group) getting swapped out every year is never going to help build some chemistry for them. Look how thrilled everyone is that we signed Bunting and Kampf to 2yr deals...its a miracle to know a new guy will be here longer than Vesey was.
 

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