ShaneFalco
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He basically knows we have no goalies. The one signed is totally unreliable
Freidman: don't expect Campbell to be back Leafs inital offer was 2.75 million per year
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The Leafs have close to 8 million to spend without moving any salary out, they have no major players that need contracts, not Jack Campbell is not a major player.
Now of course they are going to move salary every team does so that will free up money.
their entire core is locked up
they don't have a ton of money but they have enough to do what they need to do which is get a #1 goalie
I would say an upgrade on goaltending would take a big chunk of that money. Having league minimum guys isn't exactly a vote of confidence for fans.
socko
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Kuemper seems like the only guy you can sell me on as an upgrade. An upgrade seems unlikely. A downgrade is more likely.
I think Liljegren looked more than ready for a regular role in the lineup and he looked good in the first two playoff games that he dressed for. If they can bring back Giordano for cheap next season I wouldn't mind as he and Lily looked pretty good as a pairing. With Sandin unless he's playing really badly he should be in the lineup as a regular as well at least on the bottom pair.
As for the Leafs bottom 6 you can always try and make improvements for those lines, but its always going to be our stars stepping up and performing that determines how far the Leafs can go as a team. That and at least decent goaltending which lets hope we can get that fixed soon.
I’m not saying he couldn’t get based on market values.
But personally to me I don’t want That
AuraSphere
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People will keep shitting on Gibson from stat-watching. But I guarantee he will come as an upgrade. Will likely destroy us Cap wise though with 6M.
Campbell is probably the safest bet - but you have to remember, he's very inconsistent and come trade deadline we were looking for another goalie. I wonder if Fleury would be available
There's really no right answer here.
If you re-sign Campbell you re-sign a late bloomer who has had injury issues the last two years and only had two - three months if you include the playoffs, of .900 or better goaltending (Novemeber, April and May if you include the playoff).
If you don't re-sign Campbell every other available goalie is a risk. You're basically banking on:
- MAF to continue to play at a high level at 36.
- Kuemper to be relatively healthy and/or Mrazek to be able to play at least 40-50 games as a 1B becausee Kuemper has had injury issues every year he's been a good goalie and he's not gonna be playing 60+ games.
- Every other goalie is a backup/late bloomer type which if we get it right, would be a found asset like Jack Campbell himself.
- Any established goalie is gonna cost a lot on the trade market. Gibson IMO is particularly risky because he's had 3 consecutive bad seasons plus he carries a big cap hit.
If you re-sign Campbell you re-sign a late bloomer who has had injury issues the last two years and only had two - three months if you include the playoffs, of .900 or better goaltending (Novemeber, April and May if you include the playoff).
If you don't re-sign Campbell every other available goalie is a risk. You're basically banking on:
- MAF to continue to play at a high level at 36.
- Kuemper to be relatively healthy and/or Mrazek to be able to play at least 40-50 games as a 1B becausee Kuemper has had injury issues every year he's been a good goalie and he's not gonna be playing 60+ games.
- Every other goalie is a backup/late bloomer type which if we get it right, would be a found asset like Jack Campbell himself.
- Any established goalie is gonna cost a lot on the trade market. Gibson IMO is particularly risky because he's had 3 consecutive bad seasons plus he carries a big cap hit.
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It would, and it should it's the biggest need of the off season take the biggest chunk of that money and get a goalie
Hard pass om MAF
Kuemper will likely re-sign
I hear what you're saying about Gibson, but I think Ana is struggling and not really him, change might rejuvenate him
Maybe we should look at the Finnish goalie that dominated the tournament Olkinuora?
Georgiev has been underused, because of Shesterkin obviously. I believe he has the potential to be a solid #1. Was very good a few years back when Hank was struggling. One of those guys that to me is better with more workload. Pretty sure he might be the answer, along with a descent backup.
Stephen
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I think this is an example of a GM learning on the job coming back to bite the team in the butt.
There’s a lot of modern Moneyball inspired thinking that suppose you can go cheap on a goalie in a cap structure but doesn’t see the full picture that you’re always at the mercy of a UFA market to play musical chairs and placing long bets at a critical position.
Not every team is going to have stable Vezina level goaltending but from a draft, develop and cap allocation, it’s an important position. The fact that this position has been somewhat overlooked means we’re in a strategically vulnerable position. Wrong priorities and bad cap.
Zonk
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Fleury is an interesting option. One year removed from the Vezina. Still performed well this past season. Three Stanley Cups on his resume.
There was a great deal of uncertainty at the trade deadline whether he would agree to waive his no trade clause to come to Toronto. The fact that the Chicago GM leaked what he was asking from Toronto implies that MAF had agreed to a potential trade.
I would much rather sign MAF to a short term (two years?) contract that invest assets acquire a goalie like Gibson or Binnington who both come with long term commitments and lots of question marks.
There was a great deal of uncertainty at the trade deadline whether he would agree to waive his no trade clause to come to Toronto. The fact that the Chicago GM leaked what he was asking from Toronto implies that MAF had agreed to a potential trade.
I would much rather sign MAF to a short term (two years?) contract that invest assets acquire a goalie like Gibson or Binnington who both come with long term commitments and lots of question marks.
Feels like MAF may want to play it a year at a time right now
ToneDog
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So CJ thinks the number for Soup is $5m (mentioned the Peterson deal of 3x$5m) but does not know if that number can work for the Leafs. Also does not think it will be easy to dump Mrazek. Who knew ??
ShaneFalco
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What a mess. And no way I'd be signing Jack for that. So no #1 goalie, and a #2 who is a disaster.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
From listening to CJ, he seems to think we see two new goalies. Dubas could not find one last year but he is going to find two this year.
ShaneFalco
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I'm not sure what his thought process here is, Leafs profile boost or something?
There's just nothing there that says he can expect that type of money:
- 1 season as a starter (only 49 games)
- Only 135 career games
- Injury issues
- Career numbers are decent, but not great
- Last years numbers were decent, but again not great
- 0 playoff series wins, and bad numbers in this past playoffs
The entirety of his argument for a large salary is based off a ~50 games stretch of high end play from when he arrived in Toronto until midway into this past season. But of course he followed that up with a stretch of horrifying play then poor play in the playoffs.
What am I missing here? He's still a show me contract guy, hell regardless of your thoughts on Freddy he was still a goalie with a career of 400 games of "proven quality NHL Starter" under his belt and he got 2x4.5 last year.
Jack is 2x3 for me - I like him but that's what he's worth. If he thinks he can use the Leafs to boost his value and get big money from someone let him.
Campbell isn't as good as he thinks he is.
He's solid but the fact he seems to fall apart the moment his workload goes up is not what I want in my starting goalie.
Great tandem goalie imo. He'd thrive in a situation where the idea is to have a 1A/B (Boston, Edmonton, Minnesota, etc) but I don't see him being that guy starting anything above like 50 games in a season.
He's solid but the fact he seems to fall apart the moment his workload goes up is not what I want in my starting goalie.
Great tandem goalie imo. He'd thrive in a situation where the idea is to have a 1A/B (Boston, Edmonton, Minnesota, etc) but I don't see him being that guy starting anything above like 50 games in a season.
Gary Nylund
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MAF for one year is an interesting idea, especially considering how limited our options appear to be.
cannucky
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Except they only have 17 players on the roster so they still need to fill six roster slots using the 7.844 million they have in cap space , so I guess they're just going add some more bottom feeders eh ? Yeah thats going to make the team better , wheres the facepalm emogi when you need it ? Any decent #1 goalie is going to cost at least 5 million so that leaves 2.844 million to fill 5 roster slots . fml beam me up Scotty there is no intelligent life down here . What salary are they moving out ? the five guys making less than a million ? The immoveable core ? Having 53 million tied up in 6 players in a league with an 82.5 million dollar cap limit sure seams like a sound business model , not .
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