Freidman: don't expect Campbell to be back Leafs inital offer was 2.75 million per year

[ToneDog]

Pretty sad that's where we're at. A 3.8 mll can't stay healthy goalie who looked like a deer in the headlights here and some guy on the cheap who may prove himself.
But people argued at the TDL we didn't need anyone and that was whacked too

Great recipe to winning the SC. Dubas could not find us one capable goalie last year and we might need two this year

 

[ShaneFalco]

Great recipe to winning the SC. Dubas could not find us one capable goalie last year and we might need two this year

Stay the course! A rookie GM is staking his career on it!

 

[ChickenMcNugget]

Lol its not like the market is flooded with young #1 goalies. Plus which UFA would sign knowing that they're torpedoing their career by signing here.

Also gives crazy leverage to any team that has the ability to make a trade.

Sign him Dubas, you made your bed

 

[Jmo89]

Bottom line 4 forwards making half of CAP WILL NEVER work out .. we need a change in roster construction and CAP so we can get a 1D and a 1G and something else like Paul on da 3rd line .. da faster fans realize Mitch and/or Willy must go in trades da faster we will get to a Cup .. and a Sandin, Kerfoot and 1st for Jakob C will help as Jakob C will develop into a 1D in league in next couple years .. Gibson for Mzrak, Willy and 1st 2024 could work too
Bunting Matty XXX
YYY JT Mitch
Paul Kampf Engval
Cliffy Blackwell wayner

Rielly Jakob C
Muzzy Brodie
Gio Lily

Gibson
ZZZ

I think it needs to be Willy. His contract provides the most value to other teams. I've said it a couple times now but I think they should trade:

Willy
Muzzin
Kerfoot
Holl
Mrazek

I like Muzzin but his health is too much of a question mark going forward. Either trade Nylander directly for a dman replacement, or use the assets for that replacement. To use your example, let's say Nylander becomes JC.

Then use the leftovers (money) from Nylander, Kerfoot, and Muzzin and get two forwards that better compliment JT. Whether you like JT or not, he's staying here for the next 3 years. Neither will be as good as Nylander, but they can be alot better than Nylander + Kerfoot.

Use whatever is left on a goalie (or if Nylander goes goes for a goalie, use what you need to for a dman.) Sandin is probably a part of that.

Attach a sweetener to Mzrazek or buy him out. Resign Lyub as a #7. If it's not outrageous bring back Mikheyev. Get rid of Engvall, total vanilla in the playoffs. Keep Spezza as an extra forward. If they aren't going to give him a shot, then unload Robertson too.

Out: Nylander, Muzzin, Mrazek, Kerfoot, Holl, Engvall, Sandin?, Robertson?

In: top 4 D, #1 goalie, 2nd line LW, 2nd line RW, physical 3rd liner, younger/physical 4th liner.

Retain: Mik, Lyub, Blackwell, Spezza

My vision isn't that much different than yours. I don't think they need a #1 dman, but a solid, physical top 4 will do. Basically a younger more durable Muzzin.

You end up with an upgraded goalie, younger, healthier defence, more functional 2nd line, and some added (functional) grit in the bottom 6.

 

[Stephen]

I think it needs to be Willy. His contract provides the most value to other teams. I've said it a couple times now but I think they should trade:

Willy
Muzzin
Kerfoot
Holl
Mrazek

I like Muzzin but his health is too much of a question mark going forward. Either trade Nylander directly for a dman replacement, or use the assets for that replacement. To use your example, let's say Nylander becomes JC.

Then use the leftovers (money) from Nylander, Kerfoot, and Muzzin and get two forwards that better compliment JT. Whether you like JT or not, he's staying here for the next 3 years. Neither will be as good as Nylander, but they can be alot better than Nylander + Kerfoot.

Use whatever is left on a goalie (or if Nylander goes goes for a goalie, use what you need to for a dman.) Sandin is probably a part of that.

Attach a sweetener to Mzrazek or buy him out. Resign Lyub as a #7. If it's not outrageous bring back Mikheyev. Get rid of Engvall, total vanilla in the playoffs. Keep Spezza as an extra forward. If they aren't going to give him a shot, then unload Robertson too.

Out: Nylander, Muzzin, Mrazek, Kerfoot, Holl, Engvall, Sandin?, Robertson?

In: top 4 D, #1 goalie, 2nd line LW, 2nd line RW, physical 3rd liner, younger/physical 4th liner.

Retain: Mik, Lyub, Blackwell

My vision isn't that much different than yours. I don't think they need a #1 dman, but a solid, physical top 4 will do. Basically a younger more durable Muzzin.

You end up with an upgraded goalie, younger, healthier defence, more functional 2nd line, and some added (functional) grit in the bottom 6.

I think you have to cut all the contracts listed behind Nylander but not Nylander himself because we can't go UFA shopping to replace that 35 goal 80 point prime age player until Tavares is off the books in three years.

 

[BlueBaron]

I think it needs to be Willy. His contract provides the most value to other teams. I've said it a couple times now but I think they should trade:

Willy
Muzzin
Kerfoot
Holl
Mrazek

I like Muzzin but his health is too much of a question mark going forward. Either trade Nylander directly for a dman replacement, or use the assets for that replacement. To use your example, let's say Nylander becomes JC.

Then use the leftovers (money) from Nylander, Kerfoot, and Muzzin and get two forwards that better compliment JT. Whether you like JT or not, he's staying here for the next 3 years. Neither will be as good as Nylander, but they can be alot better than Nylander + Kerfoot.

Use whatever is left on a goalie (or if Nylander goes goes for a goalie, use what you need to for a dman.) Sandin is probably a part of that.

Attach a sweetener to Mzrazek or buy him out. Resign Lyub as a #7. If it's not outrageous bring back Mikheyev. Get rid of Engvall, total vanilla in the playoffs. Keep Spezza as an extra forward. If they aren't going to give him a shot, then unload Robertson too.

Out: Nylander, Muzzin, Mrazek, Kerfoot, Holl, Engvall, Sandin?, Robertson?

In: top 4 D, #1 goalie, 2nd line LW, 2nd line RW, physical 3rd liner, younger/physical 4th liner.

Retain: Mik, Lyub, Blackwell, Spezza

My vision isn't that much different than yours. I don't think they need a #1 dman, but a solid, physical top 4 will do. Basically a younger more durable Muzzin.

You end up with an upgraded goalie, younger, healthier defence, more functional 2nd line, and some added (functional) grit in the bottom 6.

Not really necessary. We have the Cap when Mrazek is gone for a 5 mil goalie. It's going to be a dull summer for you trade guys. You got Holl and Mrazek (assuming no buy out) and if you are lucky a pick prospect for a goalie trade.

The solution for the 4th best team is probably not blowing everything up. it's probably about keeping what you have and adding in the couple spots you can actually upgrade. Move Willy and you abandon the 2 first line approach that is our competitive edge. That with solid D is how we scared Tampa.

We are closer than you think.

 

[Stigma]

So now that we know that Husso may not be ready for a #1 position and Gibson doesn't really want to come here (major red flag), what other goalies are we thinking of?

I'm still good with the Blackwood idea. Or maybe Georgiev as a 1B with someone else.

 

[BlueBaron]

Ok Kyle

Oh trade happy boy. I love you to.

 

[Nylanderthal]

So now that we know that Husso may not be ready for a #1 position and Gibson doesn't really want to come here (major red flag), what other goalies are we thinking of?

I'm still good with the Blackwood idea. Or maybe Georgiev as a 1B with someone else.

 

[stealth1]

Reading between the lines of a few media comments, I'd wager Leafs go the trade route for a younger guy who hasn't quite proven to be a starting caliber guy.

Not sure who fits that description though. Georgiev maybe? I know the Leafs have been linked to him in the recent past

That's what they have always seem to be doing. For a team that's built to win now, a younger not proven guy isn't the answer.

 

[Jmo89]

Not really necessary. We have the Cap when Mrazek is gone for a 5 mil goalie. It's going to be a dull summer for you trade guys. You got Holl and Mrazek (assuming no buy out) and if you are lucky a pick prospect for a goalie trade.

The solution for the 4th best team is probably not blowing everything up. it's probably about keeping what you have and adding in the couple spots you can actually upgrade. Move Willy and you abandon the 2 first line approach that is our competitive edge. That with solid D is how we scared Tampa.

We are closer than you think.

Blowing everything up? I proposed trading 5 guys, of which Nylander is the only significant trade. Kerfoot has a motor but is completely ineffective. Holl is a 7th dman, and Mrazek was also injured most of the year.

Muzzin had a horrible year and then was injured the second half. He's one of my favs but he looks like he's a concussion away from LTIRetirement. He's fine as a top 4, but the worry is if he has another significant injury.

I agree they're close, which is why they should cut the dead weight (Mrazek, Holl, Kerfoot). I'm all for keeping Nylander if you can get a proper winger to go with Nylander and Tavares and somehow get a goalie that doesn't let in 3 goals on 8 shots in 3 OT (elimination) playoff games. Unfortunately you have to give to get, and I'm also not sure you make that work with the cap.

 

[Stigma]

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I'm not opposed to having him stay as 1B. Depends on 1A though.

 

[Stephen]

Blowing everything up? I proposed trading 5 guys, of which Nylander is the only significant trade. Kerfoot has a motor but is completely ineffective. Holl is a 7th dman, and Mrazek was also injured most of the year.

Muzzin had a horrible year and then was injured the second half. He's one of my favs but he looks like he's a concussion away from LTIRetirement. He's fine as a top 4, but the worry is if he has another significant injury.

I agree they're close, which is why they should cut the dead weight (Mrazek, Holl, Kerfoot). I'm all for keeping Nylander if you can get a proper winger to go with Nylander and Tavares and somehow get a goalie that doesn't let in 3 goals on 8 shots in 3 OT (elimination) playoff games. Unfortunately you have to give to get, and I'm also not sure you make that work with the cap.

The Leafs need to be really smart with Muzzin and just get rid of the contract this summer. Can you imagine what a disastrous situation it would be to trade Nylander for some cap relief and depth and watch him score 40 goals and 80 points while Muzzin is on LTIR mid season and we have scoring issues and holes opening up on the blueline?

 

[GQS]

So now that we know that Husso may not be ready for a #1 position and Gibson doesn't really want to come here (major red flag), what other goalies are we thinking of?

I'm still good with the Blackwood idea. Or maybe Georgiev as a 1B with someone else.

I don't get all the interest in Gibson to begin with. Not very impressive numbers the past few years and still 4 more years at 6.4 million a year? Yeah no thanks. Minus well pay Campbell more or find another goalie that you can sign for a shorter term and cheaper. Heck even giving Mrazek another chance is better than trading for Gibson and his contract.

 

[Legion34]

So now that we know that Husso may not be ready for a #1 position and Gibson doesn't really want to come here (major red flag), what other goalies are we thinking of?

I'm still good with the Blackwood idea. Or maybe Georgiev as a 1B with someone else.

How do we know Gibson doesn’t want to. Friedman indicated he does

Someone said Kypreos said it. But no link has be provided

The Leafs need to be really smart with Muzzin and just get rid of the contract this summer. Can you imagine what a disastrous situation it would be to trade Nylander for some cap relief and depth and watch him score 40 goals and 80 points while Muzzin is on LTIR mid season and we have scoring issues and holes opening up on the blueline?

I wonder if he goes to LA. Doughty seems to run the show there and he loves him

 

[Stephen]

How do we know Gibson doesn’t want to. Friedman indicated he does

Someone said Kypreos said it. But no link has be provided



I wonder if he goes to LA. Doughty seems to run the show there and he loves him

LA has too many young RHD, so maybe they could use Muzzin as a mentor at LHD.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

So now that we know that Husso may not be ready for a #1 position and Gibson doesn't really want to come here (major red flag), what other goalies are we thinking of?

I'm still good with the Blackwood idea. Or maybe Georgiev as a 1B with someone else.

Jack is the best option still.

 

[Legion34]

Jack is the best option still.

Not at like 5 x5. I personally don’t want jack back. If he was like 4 ok but I think he wants too much.

Dubas is pretty easy to read. You could tell Hyman and Fred weren’t coming back last year.

This year he was pretty dismissive of jack. I would be surprised if he is back myself

We will see

 

[GQS]

This.

Our Bottom 6 lost us that series. Produced zero. Hot garbage, except for Kampf. The only thing they produced were penalties. You cant win like that in the playoffs. You need production from bottom 6. Finding those value players every off-season is like playing the lottery.

Drafting and developing is huge in a hard cap world. So far we've produced nothing. All they keep talking about is MAtthew Knies, kid hasnt even played yet and that's only one guy.

So Liljegren and Sandin are nothing now? Also if Robertson, Steeves and maybe Knies at the end of the season can come in among a few others, that would be pretty good as well. The thing is its interesting that some people say the Leafs need to draft and develop our players and then other Leafs fans say the time is now and that we need to trade some of our prospects and picks away for immediate help.

So which is it then? Seems like people can't even agree on that and also how many open slots in the lineup do the Leafs really have for prospects? I don't think there's that many to begin with is there?

 

[BlueBaron]

Blowing everything up? I proposed trading 5 guys, of which Nylander is the only significant trade. Kerfoot has a motor but is completely ineffective. Holl is a 7th dman, and Mrazek was also injured most of the year.

Muzzin had a horrible year and then was injured the second half. He's one of my favs but he looks like he's a concussion away from LTIRetirement. He's fine as a top 4, but the worry is if he has another significant injury.

I agree they're close, which is why they should cut the dead weight (Mrazek, Holl, Kerfoot). I'm all for keeping Nylander if you can get a proper winger to go with Nylander and Tavares and somehow get a goalie that doesn't let in 3 goals on 8 shots in 3 OT (elimination) playoff games. Unfortunately you have to give to get, and I'm also not sure you make that work with the cap.

I pretty much agree. Mrazek and Holl are gone for sure. Kerfoot maybe. Nylander no.

Good talk.

 

[Stephen]

Jack is the best option still.

As the playoffs unfold, he seems to be a pretty good option as a status quo choice. We won't upgrade at that position but it will be a stabilizing factor if we keep him.

 

[Divine]

As the playoffs unfold, he seems to be a pretty good option as a status quo choice. We won't upgrade at that position but it will be a stabilizing factor if we keep him.

The issue is... he was the worst goaltender in the league from December.

He followed that by being the worst goaltender in the first round.

It's not like he's getting hammered by chances either, he doesn't have any rebound control - if the defense doesn't beat the other team to every rebound, it's a goal.

I would rather have stability than the incosistency that is Campbell. He's also 0-5 in elimination games, 4 of which we were the better team (arguably all 5 if you blame his weak goal on Game 7 against Montreal to break the tie and force the Leafs to chase).

Outshoot Montreal 15-3 in OT. Lost both games.

2 goals on 3 shots in OT.

 

[Jmo89]

The issue is... he was the worst goaltender in the league from December.

He followed that by being the worst goaltender in the first round.

It's not like he's getting hammered by chances either, he doesn't have any rebound control - if the defense doesn't beat the other team to every rebound, it's a goal.

I would rather have stability than the incosistency that is Campbell. He's also 0-5 in elimination games, 4 of which we were the better team (arguably all 5 if you blame his weak goal on Game 7 against Montreal to break the tie and force the Leafs to chase).

Outshoot Montreal 15-3 in OT. Lost both games.

2 goals on 3 shots in OT.

Yep. Even take away the first game (G5 MTL) that was a 2 on 0. 2 goals on 7 shots where his team is tilting the ice and outshooting the opponent (heavily in the case of Montreal game 6.)

No way of knowing but I bet Kallgren does better than that. You need to win some games in OT in the payoffs and Campbell doesn't seem to have the fortitude to do that.

 

[rocketman588]

The Leafs need to be really smart with Muzzin and just get rid of the contract this summer. Can you imagine what a disastrous situation it would be to trade Nylander for some cap relief and depth and watch him score 40 goals and 80 points while Muzzin is on LTIR mid season and we have scoring issues and holes opening up on the blueline?

He has a full no trade so we're not getting much for him

 

[Stigma]

How do we know Gibson doesn’t want to. Friedman indicated he does

Someone said Kypreos said it. But no link has be provided



I wonder if he goes to LA. Doughty seems to run the show there and he loves him

I heard the Kypreos comment as well. I also heard Friedman say that the timing is never right with Gibson. Sometimes the Leafs want him and he doesn't want them....sometimes he wants the Leafs and they don't want him. So, I'm assuming (since Kypreos and Friedman know each other well) that it's the former and Kypreos just flat out said it.