Freidman: don't expect Campbell to be back Leafs inital offer was 2.75 million per year

[A1LeafNation]

In the last 30+ years the Leafs have had the most success in the 90's and 2000's with Potvin and then Cujo or Belfour in net.

Good teams are built from the goalie out.

A good 5 years of this core was wasted on Andersen.

 

[Racer88]

In the last 30+ years the Leafs have had the most success in the 90's and 2000's with Potvin and then Cujo or Belfour in net.

Good teams are built from the goalie out.

Unfortunately Dubas missed that class in GM school. He thought having 3 expensive shiny toys up front was the way to the promised land

 

[ToneDog]

Unfortunately Dubas missed that class in GM school. He thought having 3 expensive shiny toys up front was the way to the promised land

Every year he robs peter to pay paul. This year he will have to sacrifice up front to pay for a goalie. We lost to Tampa because our bottom 6 was crap. No wonder when you are replacing solid supporting players like Hyman, AJ, Kappy, Kadri with "value" players (yes Bunting and Kampf were good blah blah blah). It will not and has not worked to date unless you are able to draft and develop players to replace them. After 8 years under Shanny, other than the big 3., the mighty Engvall is the only forward we drafted and developed to play in the series.

 

[Cournoyer12]

Every year he robs peter to pay paul. This year he will have to sacrifice up front to pay for a goalie. We lost to Tampa because our bottom 6 was crap. No wonder when you are replacing solid supporting players like Hyman, AJ, Kappy, Kadri with "value" players (yes Bunting and Kampf were good blah blah blah). It will not and has not worked to date unless you are able to draft and develop players to replace them. After 8 years under Shanny, other than the big 3., the mighty Engvall is the only forward we drafted and developed to play in the series.

Never should have let Kadri go, sandpaper deluxe with skill!!!

 

[Racer88]

Every year he robs peter to pay paul. This year he will have to sacrifice up front to pay for a goalie. We lost to Tampa because our bottom 6 was crap. No wonder when you are replacing solid supporting players like Hyman, AJ, Kappy, Kadri with "value" players (yes Bunting and Kampf were good blah blah blah). It will not and has not worked to date unless you are able to draft and develop players to replace them. After 8 years under Shanny, other than the big 3., the mighty Engvall is the only forward we drafted and developed to play in the series.

Ya and I don’t see it changing any time soon the way he has locked us down with the big 3. The one we really need to trade we can’t.
I am not really sure how this ends put I’m not feeling very confident. Next year as a fan will be really tough. No matter how awesome they are during the regular season it will be tough to have faith in them for the playoffs.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Ya and I don’t see it changing any time soon the way he has locked us down with the big 3. The one we really need to trade we can’t.
I am not really sure how this ends put I’m not feeling very confident. Next year as a fan will be really tough. No matter how awesome they are during the regular season it will be tough to have faith in them for the playoffs.

Hey look an under-dog won! I guess it was just luck

 

[The Masters]

Every year he robs peter to pay paul. This year he will have to sacrifice up front to pay for a goalie. We lost to Tampa because our bottom 6 was crap. No wonder when you are replacing solid supporting players like Hyman, AJ, Kappy, Kadri with "value" players (yes Bunting and Kampf were good blah blah blah). It will not and has not worked to date unless you are able to draft and develop players to replace them. After 8 years under Shanny, other than the big 3., the mighty Engvall is the only forward we drafted and developed to play in the series.

This.

Our Bottom 6 lost us that series. Produced zero. Hot garbage, except for Kampf. The only thing they produced were penalties. You cant win like that in the playoffs. You need production from bottom 6. Finding those value players every off-season is like playing the lottery.

Drafting and developing is huge in a hard cap world. So far we've produced nothing. All they keep talking about is MAtthew Knies, kid hasnt even played yet and that's only one guy.

 

[Thornbury]

Every year he robs peter to pay paul. This year he will have to sacrifice up front to pay for a goalie. We lost to Tampa because our bottom 6 was crap. No wonder when you are replacing solid supporting players like Hyman, AJ, Kappy, Kadri with "value" players (yes Bunting and Kampf were good blah blah blah). It will not and has not worked to date unless you are able to draft and develop players to replace them. After 8 years under Shanny, other than the big 3., the mighty Engvall is the only forward we drafted and developed to play in the series.

Next year will be the test in that regard. Can a couple of Joey Anderson, Steeves, Holmberg prove capable of playing high energy 4th line minutes? If so, the team may be better able to balance the line up and manage the cap. If not, it will be another year of rolling the dice on cheap UFAs with supposed / hoped for upside.

 

[The Masters]

Next year will be the test in that regard. Can a couple of Joey Anderson, Steeves, Holmberg prove capable of playing high energy 4th line minutes? If so, the team may be better able to balance the line up and manage the cap. If not, it will be another year of rolling the dice on cheap UFAs with supposed / hoped for upside.

didnt we sign that 7' guy too? Douglas? Whats the plan for him?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Every year he robs peter to pay paul. This year he will have to sacrifice up front to pay for a goalie. We lost to Tampa because our bottom 6 was crap. No wonder when you are replacing solid supporting players like Hyman, AJ, Kappy, Kadri with "value" players (yes Bunting and Kampf were good blah blah blah). It will not and has not worked to date unless you are able to draft and develop players to replace them. After 8 years under Shanny, other than the big 3., the mighty Engvall is the only forward we drafted and developed to play in the series.

Bottom line forwards don't win Cups .. D and G win Cups .. until we get a 2way 1D and a money tender who can win a big game we are going nowhere .. there is so much work to be done to fix this CAP problem and da roster construction that it would take a MIRACLE to get work done this summer without a couple blockbuster deals for Mitch and Willy .. while Shanny/Dubie learn on da job we have blown 5 years of Matty .. I think it is time for Larry to engineer da sale of MLSE and eject himself from control .. we need new ownership and new management who understand how to win a Cup

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Read an interesting stat today. In a 209 game sample of NHL goalies who played at least 1500 minutes over the last 3 seasons, Campbell ranks 69th out of 75 in high-Danger Save Percentage. As I've said many times, the Leafs won't win a Cup with that kind of goaltending. I keep thinking back to that overtime game where he panicked and lifted his pad allowing the Point goal. He just lacks so many fundamentals of a good goalie. But, he is a nice guy.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Maybe it will not be that hard, when the goalies musical chairs is done some teams will still need at least a backup, and probably teams that are not very good and have cap space.

GMs like crusty Kenny Holland who have been in the league for decades have developed a respect among fellow GMs thus Holland can more than likely make deals than Kyle Dubas who’s still considered an outsider. Just because Dubas wants a certain player won’t translate into getting him because Dubas is dealing with a GM who isn’t chummy chummy with him.

 

[Gary Nylund]

GMs like crusty Kenny Holland who have been in the league for decades have developed a respect among fellow GMs thus Holland can more than likely make deals than Kyle Dubas who’s still considered an outsider. Just because Dubas wants a certain player won’t translate into getting him because Dubas is dealing with a GM who isn’t chummy chummy with him.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read here. It's so obviously dumb, I'm not even going to bother explaining why.

Random thought - the goal Mike Smith allowed the other night from the opposition's blue line reminded me of a few moments Bernier had while he was here. I was just thinking that if that happened to us, we'd have a thousand posts here saying "that can not go in", "you can never win with a goalie like that" and so on.

But guess what, the rest of the team picked it up and won the game anyway. And that's what I mean when I've been saying that you can't blame a game 7 loss on one bad goal because it "deflates" the team, they lose confidence etc. I've always said that if the players are so weak mentally that they give up after one bad goal, a new goalie won't solve the problem because mentally weak players will find a way to lose anyway.

Goalies often make up for mistakes made by the players in front of them, it can (and should) work the other way too. And blaming our past playoff losses on the goalies when they put up a .936 SV% or whatever had always been dumb.

Win and lose as a team, period.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Read an interesting stat today. In a 209 game sample of NHL goalies who played at least 1500 minutes over the last 3 seasons, Campbell ranks 69th out of 75 in high-Danger Save Percentage. As I've said many times, the Leafs won't win a Cup with that kind of goaltending. I keep thinking back to that overtime game where he panicked and lifted his pad allowing the Point goal. He just lacks so many fundamentals of a good goalie. But, he is a nice guy.

I think the goalie coach has a lot to do with it. Briere is not very good and he somehow keeps his job no matter who the head coach is. I am starting to think he has pictures of Dubas or Shanny that he is using. I can offer no other explanation on why he is still here.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I think the goalie coach has a lot to do with it. Briere is not very good and he somehow keeps his job no matter who the head coach is. I am starting to think he has pictures of Dubas or Shanny that he is using. I can offer no other explanation on why he is still here.

He's trying and learning and in years for now, you'll remember him as one of the greats

 

[CelticDruid]

didnt we sign that 7' guy too? Douglas? Whats the plan for him?

He will play on the first line of bulb changers.
20,000 light bulbs to change at Scotia Bank pays 750,000 per season

 

[ACC1224]

didnt we sign that 7' guy too? Douglas? Whats the plan for him?

He’s not a goalie. Believe he plays Center

 

[Jmo89]

Bottom line forwards don't win Cups .. D and G win Cups .. until we get a 2way 1D and a money tender who can win a big game we are going nowhere .. there is so much work to be done to fix this CAP problem and da roster construction that it would take a MIRACLE to get work done this summer without a couple blockbuster deals for Mitch and Willy .. while Shanny/Dubie learn on da job we have blown 5 years of Matty .. I think it is time for Larry to engineer da sale of MLSE and eject himself from control .. we need new ownership and new management who understand how to win a Cup

I agree, but I think they could even do it with just an upgrade in goal for a big name goalie. Campbell is 0-3 in playoffs elimination OT. 3 goals on 8 shots. You can't win with that.

Yes I know the forwards could still win it, but it's hard when you goalie no shows for OT. It's too bad they choked it away last year because I feel like fans would be alot more forgiving of the performance this year if it wasn't for past failures, myself included.

 

[ToneDog]

Read an interesting stat today. In a 209 game sample of NHL goalies who played at least 1500 minutes over the last 3 seasons, Campbell ranks 69th out of 75 in high-Danger Save Percentage. As I've said many times, the Leafs won't win a Cup with that kind of goaltending. I keep thinking back to that overtime game where he panicked and lifted his pad allowing the Point goal. He just lacks so many fundamentals of a good goalie. But, he is a nice guy.

Some say Campbell outplayed Vasi. I say he might have until it counted starting from the 3rd period of game 6. Not Campbell's fault when your elite scoring machine comes up empty as they have been known to (although JT reappeared for the final 2 games).

He’s not a goalie. Believe he plays Center

Perhaps we should convert him to G ??

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I agree, but I think they could even do it with just an upgrade in goal for a big name goalie. Campbell is 0-3 in playoffs elimination OT. 3 goals on 8 shots. You can't win with that.

Yes I know the forwards could still win it, but it's hard when you goalie no shows for OT. It's too bad they choked it away last year because I feel like fans would be alot more forgiving of the performance this year if it wasn't for past failures, myself included.

Bottom line 4 forwards making half of CAP WILL NEVER work out .. we need a change in roster construction and CAP so we can get a 1D and a 1G and something else like Paul on da 3rd line .. da faster fans realize Mitch and/or Willy must go in trades da faster we will get to a Cup .. and a Sandin, Kerfoot and 1st for Jakob C will help as Jakob C will develop into a 1D in league in next couple years .. Gibson for Mzrak, Willy and 1st 2024 could work too
Bunting Matty XXX
YYY JT Mitch
Paul Kampf Engval
Cliffy Blackwell wayner

Rielly Jakob C
Muzzy Brodie
Gio Lily

Gibson
ZZZ

 

[Menzinger]

Reading between the lines of a few media comments, I'd wager Leafs go the trade route for a younger guy who hasn't quite proven to be a starting caliber guy.

Not sure who fits that description though. Georgiev maybe? I know the Leafs have been linked to him in the recent past

 

[Bluelines]

didnt we sign that 7' guy too? Douglas? Whats the plan for him?

Video of his off season training with a Marchant doll ...

Reading between the lines of a few media comments, I'd wager Leafs go the trade route for a younger guy who hasn't quite proven to be a starting caliber guy.

Not sure who fits that description though. Georgiev maybe? I know the Leafs have been linked to him in the recent past

They are going to want someone with two or less years or a very low cap hit.

Matty and Willie have 2 yrs left on their current contract and Marner has 3... they want room to sign them, if they are not traded before then.... Willie I'm looking at you.

 

[Bluelines]

Reading between the lines of a few media comments, I'd wager Leafs go the trade route for a younger guy who hasn't quite proven to be a starting caliber guy.

Not sure who fits that description though. Georgiev maybe? I know the Leafs have been linked to him in the recent past

Stolarz had a pretty good season , very quietly. Less than 1m cap hit Anthony Stolarz Stats and News . He fits the be big, block the puck type goalie that the Leafs seem to love.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Reading between the lines of a few media comments, I'd wager Leafs go the trade route for a younger guy who hasn't quite proven to be a starting caliber guy.

Not sure who fits that description though. Georgiev maybe? I know the Leafs have been linked to him in the recent past

I think your right and I think it will be a mistake most likely. Now is the time for the leafs to compete not gamble on your starting goalie by grabbing a young unproven guy who likely has never had a starters load.

Every year we hear about hows the leafs get out goalied in the playoffs or have poor goalie performance. I'm at the point where I'd like to grab a bona-fide starter. No more learning on the job eating up value years of M&Ms prime

 

[ShaneFalco]

Reading between the lines of a few media comments, I'd wager Leafs go the trade route for a younger guy who hasn't quite proven to be a starting caliber guy.

Not sure who fits that description though. Georgiev maybe? I know the Leafs have been linked to him in the recent past

Pretty sad that's where we're at. A 3.8 mll can't stay healthy goalie who looked like a deer in the headlights here and some guy on the cheap who may prove himself.
But people argued at the TDL we didn't need anyone and that was whacked too